sway bar question

[gripfaction]

all i got to say is i have the progress rear sway bar and the fit handle like a dream and i am now going for buddy club coil overs

[wrussi]

yes the fit will snap oversteer but thats due to the extremely soft shocks from factory that allow the car to squat and transfer the weight nasty. the progress RSB will help for track and with a good spring shock combo you have an amazing handling fit. also 1 degree of negative camber in the front tires works like a charm when auto crossing.

[Texas Coyote]

Originally Posted by junktea1

Again your not quoting any references. Let's separate fact from opinion.

My car handles great in corners now, but its starting to feel like a drift car as the rear doesn't match the front. The rear only has a J's rear strut bar & J's c-pillar bar.

I'm going to add possibly a Progress rear sway bar or Carbing rear frame brace. I have yet to install coilovers or sport struts/springs.

Mr Mahout has raced in SCCA competition since I was a kid and I will be 60 in 4 months.... If you like sliding around all over the place keep doing what you are doing, if you want a car that you can drive fast on a track listen to someone with first hand knowledge.... Wider light weight wheels, good tires and stiffer rear shocks will help more than adding a rear stabilizer bar and overly stiff springs with a smaller amount of travel than stock....What you have done so far by stiffening the unit body structure has positive results because it allows the suspension to stay properly aligned during hard cornering keeping the wheels and tires on the ground at the proper angle.

[mahout]

Originally Posted by junktea1

Again your not quoting any references. Let's separate fact from opinion.

My car handles great in corners now, but its starting to feel like a drift car as the rear doesn't match the front. The rear only has a J's rear strut bar & J's c-pillar bar.

I'm going to add possibly a Progress rear sway bar or Carbing rear frame brace. I have yet to install coilovers or sport struts/springs.

our comp notebooks are the basis for statements; we tried different things on numerous cars and invariably the issue always boiled down to getting springs right and balancing with sway bars. If you don't believe what I say why would you believe my notebooks? I suggest you go visit some chassis engineers for good NASCAR teams or IMSA or Indy cars and see what they say. Stopwatches are the judges, not what you feel.
Here's another choice: write Grassrootsmotorsports or their bulletin boards and ask them, too.

[runbikerun]

Originally Posted by mahout

our comp notebooks are the basis for statements; we tried different things on numerous cars and invariably the issue always boiled down to getting springs right and balancing with sway bars. If you don't believe what I say why would you believe my notebooks? I suggest you go visit some chassis engineers for good NASCAR teams or IMSA or Indy cars and see what they say. Stopwatches are the judges, not what you feel.
Here's another choice: write Grassrootsmotorsports or their bulletin boards and ask them, too.

In your opinion. If I don't want to lower will I see improvement with a Progress rear sway bar? Improvement in this case being defined as better cornering.
Thanks

[theFITMASTER]

Originally Posted by mahout

our comp notebooks are the basis for statements; we tried different things on numerous cars and invariably the issue always boiled down to getting springs right and balancing with sway bars. If you don't believe what I say why would you believe my notebooks? I suggest you go visit some chassis engineers for good NASCAR teams or IMSA or Indy cars and see what they say. Stopwatches are the judges, not what you feel.
Here's another choice: write Grassrootsmotorsports or their bulletin boards and ask them, too.

grassroots YES nascar NO (nascar only makes right turns in only 2 races lmfao rotfl and when they do race((only in pristine weather by the way) at the road courses they even ditch their "normal staff" for more competent road racing specialists)

if u want to ride the roller coaster dont ask the merry go round ppl how the ride is

imsa? what r u like 80 years old? it must bring back memories of "the good ol days" watching the the imsa races taped on the beta max

u should put positive camber like those 1920's racers lmfao



mahout is right though, even if his sources r seriously outdated but you shouldn't take my word for it!!!

do your own homework!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[theFITMASTER]

Originally Posted by wrussi

yes the fit will snap oversteer but thats due to the extremely soft shocks from factory that allow the car to squat and transfer the weight nasty. the progress RSB will help for track and with a good spring shock combo you have an amazing handling fit. also 1 degree of negative camber in the front tires works like a charm when auto crossing.

sure but 3 degrees is 30 times better

[mahout]

Originally Posted by runbikerun

In your opinion. If I don't want to lower will I see improvement with a Progress rear sway bar? Improvement in this case being defined as better cornering.
Thanks

Yes you will see improved handling because increased oversteer counters much of the understeer. ultimate cornering limits are slightly reduced but unlessyou're on track it isn't a factor.