Upgrading to a Fit
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~SB
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Have done so more than once, in person.
Its not an Acura or such kind of interior, but nothing bad either like people make it out to be. Less cubbys to store stuff compared to the Fit, but the Fit has a sea of super cheap plastic that in the Civic is better with at least some of those surfaces being textured. Plenty of plastics though. Have not looked into the EX-L model though, but generally Hondas with leather tend to be a class up in interior quality feel.
The Civic gauge displays/i-MID is really nice stuff, but moving the audio display away does make the regular radio (non navi models) look a bit odd since its just buttons in the area without a display.
A nice application of a good protectant really improved the interior look of my Fit btw. It looks like utter cheap stuff when I got it new... I use Meguiars NTX Tech Protectant, stuff lasts forever. Even after months of no application, the plastics still look way better than the dull look it had new.
Its not an Acura or such kind of interior, but nothing bad either like people make it out to be. Less cubbys to store stuff compared to the Fit, but the Fit has a sea of super cheap plastic that in the Civic is better with at least some of those surfaces being textured. Plenty of plastics though. Have not looked into the EX-L model though, but generally Hondas with leather tend to be a class up in interior quality feel.
The Civic gauge displays/i-MID is really nice stuff, but moving the audio display away does make the regular radio (non navi models) look a bit odd since its just buttons in the area without a display.
A nice application of a good protectant really improved the interior look of my Fit btw. It looks like utter cheap stuff when I got it new... I use Meguiars NTX Tech Protectant, stuff lasts forever. Even after months of no application, the plastics still look way better than the dull look it had new.
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What's not to believe? Rural roads through UT, ID, WY means no A/C usuage and speeds 40-50mph in 5th gear with infrequent stops. Look at the speedo in his photos. 47 mpg calculated at the pump should be easy under those conditions with a M/T. I wouldn't be surprised to see over 50mpg under those conditions with some added eco-miling driving technique.
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So I test drove a m/t sport and liked it much better than the first time I drove one. Unfortunately, I pt a deposit on a base a/t before I read these forums. I live in New York State. Can I still back out of the deal if I haven't picked the car up yet? Thanks in advance!
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What's not to believe? Rural roads through UT, ID, WY means no A/C usuage and speeds 40-50mph in 5th gear with infrequent stops. Look at the speedo in his photos. 47 mpg calculated at the pump should be easy under those conditions with a M/T. I wouldn't be surprised to see over 50mpg under those conditions with some added eco-miling driving technique.
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Having said that, the OP shouldnt expect those numbers regularly. Thats kind of a rare situation. I do almost exactly 50/50 city/highway mileage.. and combined with my occasional need to hear vtak ().... i get around 34-35 mpg. Which is more than the fit is advertised to do so, you cant complain.
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Fit base AT with almost 3K miles. Averaging 36, high of 42, ~ 50% urban 50% highway, driving with light foot. I expect it to improve 5-10% after 10K. I got the Base due to the EPA estimates. I upgraded the wheels (still 15") tires, & put a Progress rear sway bar -- not wishing I had got a Sport one bit.
I doubt you beat the mileage you are getting with your current Civic.
I have had five 92-97 Civics (including 3 Del Sols) & all averaged 30-33 city & 40-45 highway. I really appreciated all of them, but the Fit is a better car than all previous ones. More space, more comfort, better handling, safer, and roughly equivalent MPG.
I doubt you beat the mileage you are getting with your current Civic.
I have had five 92-97 Civics (including 3 Del Sols) & all averaged 30-33 city & 40-45 highway. I really appreciated all of them, but the Fit is a better car than all previous ones. More space, more comfort, better handling, safer, and roughly equivalent MPG.
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I have a 2011 Fit Sport Auto with about 1700 miles on it now. The average for the 1700 miles is about 32.2 (on the dash, my actual count is a little lower). I would imagine the M/T would do a little better, but since my last 4 cars were sticks I really wanted an automatic for sitting in traffic and such.
For the 2012 Civic debate... Honda definitely took a step back with it. Sure, it will be a great reliable car. But now they have a lot more competition which upped the stakes. Now, you can get the same reliability, if not better, and get something that actually looks good (exterior and interior). The Korean brands are offering 10 yr warranties, and much better factory equipment. Two each is own, but I certainly would not be buying a new Civic. I'd go Elantra, Focus, Cruze, or even the Mazda 3. A diesel Jetta would be sweet, but its also the priciest.
For the 2012 Civic debate... Honda definitely took a step back with it. Sure, it will be a great reliable car. But now they have a lot more competition which upped the stakes. Now, you can get the same reliability, if not better, and get something that actually looks good (exterior and interior). The Korean brands are offering 10 yr warranties, and much better factory equipment. Two each is own, but I certainly would not be buying a new Civic. I'd go Elantra, Focus, Cruze, or even the Mazda 3. A diesel Jetta would be sweet, but its also the priciest.
Last edited by SOB; 08-11-2011 at 10:07 PM.
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45 mpg is definitely attainable in my experience on the rural roads at 50 mph. Otherwise 35 mpg is more likely, particularly if highway driving is 70+ mph. I agree it's unlikely you will do any better than the old Civic and you may even do a little worse. Driving probably has more to do with mileage than anything else. The 5MT is not gutless but if you push it mileage will drop fast.
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Thank you all for the responses! Everyone has been extremely helpful. I am going to test drive the auto one more time before I make a final decision. No matter what, I know I am going to love the Fit and all it has to offer!
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The engines are mostly a wash. The Civic LX had a 1.7L non-VTEC. 115HP/110lb-ft. The Fit's got a little marginally higher max HP, marginally lower torque. Curb weights are about the same. I think it's mostly in the shorter gearing (VTEC may also help a bit), but the Fit just feels way peppier than my Civic LX coupe ever felt.
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well, I have a 01 Civic LX MT and a 11 Fit Sport AT. I got around 35-37 overall mpg with the Civic, and 32-33 overall mpg with the Fit.
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The engines are mostly a wash. The Civic LX had a 1.7L non-VTEC. 115HP/110lb-ft. The Fit's got a little marginally higher max HP, marginally lower torque. Curb weights are about the same. I think it's mostly in the shorter gearing (VTEC may also help a bit), but the Fit just feels way peppier than my Civic LX coupe ever felt.
Forgot that the LX was sans VTEC. (D17a1). The D17A2 is the one that had VTEC. My Wife had a 98 EX with a D16Y8 which was a peppy little engine.
I change my status. the Fit will likely be a little peppier once Revved. The Civic would be a little easier to drive as it has more torque.
~SB
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So, I test drove both transmissions and liked both in different ways. The manual definitely had more power to speed up to get on the highway or change lanes with a lot of traffic. The one thing I noticed is the noise of the engine on the highway driving 65 MPH as well as the fact that it was at 3500 RPM. The manual I test drove was a 2009 because that is all I could find to try. Would the RPM be any different on a 2011? I found the automatic (2011) to be quieter on the highway.
I'm leaning toward the m/t as I have driven stick for over 15 years and am not sure I am ready to give that up.
I'm leaning toward the m/t as I have driven stick for over 15 years and am not sure I am ready to give that up.
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I finally chose my car. It's the 2011 M/T Sport. The came into the dealer today and I immediately knew during the test drive that I would regret getting the automatic, even though I really liked it. I know I will love having the extra power when I need it. I greatly appreciate everyone's input over the past few days! I pick the car up on Monday and can't wait to start tracking the gas mileage.