Fit FREAK.net

Go Back   Unofficial Honda FIT Forums > The Honda Fit and Jazz Forums > 2nd Generation (GE 08-present)
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?
Register Albums FAQ iTrader Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read ExperienceUsed CarsVendor Directory
Welcome to Unofficial Honda FIT Forums


2nd Generation (GE 08-present) The New Fit... Generation specific talk and questions here.

View Poll Results: What should a reasonable discount be for an extra 30k miles?
$250-$500 3 9.68%
$500-$1000 2 6.45%
$1,000+ 24 77.42%
Don't buy the 38k mile car! 2 6.45%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 11:58 AM
New Member
iTrader: (0)
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 11
Rep Power: 0
cjhandley is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 145, Level: 2
Points: 145, Level: 2 Points: 145, Level: 2 Points: 145, Level: 2
Level up: 90%, 5 Points needed
Level up: 90% Level up: 90% Level up: 90%
Daily Activity: 12.2%
Daily Activity: 12.2% Daily Activity: 12.2% Daily Activity: 12.2%
How much is it worth to save 30,000 miles?

I have three cars I'm looking at:

All 3 are '09 Fit Sports. 2 have 4,000 miles, and 1 has 38,000 miles.

My question: it seems the blue book value is relatively close, despite having 34,000 miles for the 3rd car. How much does everyone think I should expect that dealer to drop down his price? Right now, he wants the SAME amount as the 2 cars that have 4,000 miles.

And I would just go with one of the other 2, but the one with 38k is my fiancee's favorite color...and..well, you guys with a lady of your own knows what that means when it comes to decision making.

In case anyone is curious, the lowest drive-off quote for the 4k mile one is $18,600, including tax.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Registered users do not see this ad.
Click here to register for free!
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 12:22 PM
Ro_Ja Boy's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (0)
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 516
Rep Power: 8
Ro_Ja Boy is on a distinguished road
Points: 4,520, Level: 42
Points: 4,520, Level: 42 Points: 4,520, Level: 42 Points: 4,520, Level: 42
Level up: 85%, 30 Points needed
Level up: 85% Level up: 85% Level up: 85%
Daily Activity: 4.7%
Daily Activity: 4.7% Daily Activity: 4.7% Daily Activity: 4.7%
I just went through a similar thing. It basically comes down to what it's worth to you. For me, 25k miles extra would have had to be quite a bit less expensive for me to buy it. To me it was personally worth $1,000+ to have the 25k less milage car.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 12:23 PM
Steve244's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (0)
5 Year Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Georgia
Posts: 3,601
Rep Power: 4236101
Steve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to live
Points: 3,500, Level: 36
Points: 3,500, Level: 36 Points: 3,500, Level: 36 Points: 3,500, Level: 36
Level up: 50%, 150 Points needed
Level up: 50% Level up: 50% Level up: 50%
Daily Activity: 28.6%
Daily Activity: 28.6% Daily Activity: 28.6% Daily Activity: 28.6%
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjhandley View Post
I have three cars I'm looking at:

All 3 are '09 Fit Sports. 2 have 4,000 miles, and 1 has 38,000 miles.

My question: it seems the blue book value is relatively close, despite having 34,000 miles for the 3rd car. How much does everyone think I should expect that dealer to drop down his price? Right now, he wants the SAME amount as the 2 cars that have 4,000 miles.

And I would just go with one of the other 2, but the one with 38k is my fiancee's favorite color...and..well, you guys with a lady of your own knows what that means when it comes to decision making.

In case anyone is curious, the lowest drive-off quote for the 4k mile one is $18,600, including tax.
Everthing else being equal, edmunds.com shows about a $1,100 difference for 30,000 miles.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 12:31 PM
New Member
iTrader: (0)
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 11
Rep Power: 0
cjhandley is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 145, Level: 2
Points: 145, Level: 2 Points: 145, Level: 2 Points: 145, Level: 2
Level up: 90%, 5 Points needed
Level up: 90% Level up: 90% Level up: 90%
Daily Activity: 12.2%
Daily Activity: 12.2% Daily Activity: 12.2% Daily Activity: 12.2%
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve244 View Post
Everthing else being equal, edmunds.com shows about a $1,100 difference for 30,000 miles.
Does that seem accurate?

I guess my "gut" just felt that seemed strange...only a roughly 6% discount for having an extra 34,000 miles.

But is that reasonable? Is it likely that all things being equal, 5 years down the road both would still be only about $1,000 apart?

I.e., 50k miles vs. 84k miles
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 12:44 PM
Ro_Ja Boy's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (0)
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 516
Rep Power: 8
Ro_Ja Boy is on a distinguished road
Points: 4,520, Level: 42
Points: 4,520, Level: 42 Points: 4,520, Level: 42 Points: 4,520, Level: 42
Level up: 85%, 30 Points needed
Level up: 85% Level up: 85% Level up: 85%
Daily Activity: 4.7%
Daily Activity: 4.7% Daily Activity: 4.7% Daily Activity: 4.7%
Look at 07 Sports with 50k and compare to 07 Sports with 84k. From what I've been looking at, it's more than $1,000 difference.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 12:58 PM
Steve244's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (0)
5 Year Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Georgia
Posts: 3,601
Rep Power: 4236101
Steve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to live
Points: 3,500, Level: 36
Points: 3,500, Level: 36 Points: 3,500, Level: 36 Points: 3,500, Level: 36
Level up: 50%, 150 Points needed
Level up: 50% Level up: 50% Level up: 50%
Daily Activity: 28.6%
Daily Activity: 28.6% Daily Activity: 28.6% Daily Activity: 28.6%
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjhandley View Post
Does that seem accurate?

I guess my "gut" just felt that seemed strange...only a roughly 6% discount for having an extra 34,000 miles.

But is that reasonable? Is it likely that all things being equal, 5 years down the road both would still be only about $1,000 apart?

I.e., 50k miles vs. 84k miles
Checking edmunds on an 07 fit. Today one with 80K would be about $1400 less than one with 50K. So $1100 on an 09 with 30K vs one with 4K sounds about right.

It's only as accurate as what someone is willing to pay, though...
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 01:40 PM
roguenode's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Boulder
Posts: 116
Rep Power: 38549
roguenode relies on Rep Points to liveroguenode relies on Rep Points to liveroguenode relies on Rep Points to liveroguenode relies on Rep Points to liveroguenode relies on Rep Points to liveroguenode relies on Rep Points to liveroguenode relies on Rep Points to liveroguenode relies on Rep Points to liveroguenode relies on Rep Points to liveroguenode relies on Rep Points to liveroguenode relies on Rep Points to live
Points: 521, Level: 10
Points: 521, Level: 10 Points: 521, Level: 10 Points: 521, Level: 10
Level up: 43%, 29 Points needed
Level up: 43% Level up: 43% Level up: 43%
Daily Activity: 1.0%
Daily Activity: 1.0% Daily Activity: 1.0% Daily Activity: 1.0%
I'd go with at least $1,000. Particularly, as the extra mileage means the major service points will come up quite a bit earlier in your ownership.

Btw, 18,600 for an 09 w/4k? Ack, here in Illinois, I just got a new 11 sport for 19500 w/tax, title, license included (auto, no nav). What's an 11 sport run there in Texas?
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 01:45 PM
Vanct's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (3)
5 Year Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 960
Rep Power: 5494921
Vanct relies on Rep Points to liveVanct relies on Rep Points to liveVanct relies on Rep Points to liveVanct relies on Rep Points to liveVanct relies on Rep Points to liveVanct relies on Rep Points to liveVanct relies on Rep Points to liveVanct relies on Rep Points to liveVanct relies on Rep Points to liveVanct relies on Rep Points to liveVanct relies on Rep Points to live
vantranphoto transl8e
Points: 2,730, Level: 31
Points: 2,730, Level: 31 Points: 2,730, Level: 31 Points: 2,730, Level: 31
Level up: 87%, 20 Points needed
Level up: 87% Level up: 87% Level up: 87%
Daily Activity: 2.7%
Daily Activity: 2.7% Daily Activity: 2.7% Daily Activity: 2.7%
$18,600 OTD for used 09 is too high in my opinion. Due to market conditions, many used Fits are selling for more than new ones currently. At that price, you may as well get a new Fit, at least you will have VSA and the warranty will last just that bit longer. If not, go for the 30K one if you can get a good deal. These cars will last an additional 200K anyways if you take care of it.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 01:56 PM
Member
iTrader: (0)
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Kirkland, WA
Posts: 30
Rep Power: 0
Gbarb18 is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 104, Level: 2
Points: 104, Level: 2 Points: 104, Level: 2 Points: 104, Level: 2
Level up: 8%, 46 Points needed
Level up: 8% Level up: 8% Level up: 8%
Daily Activity: 1.7%
Daily Activity: 1.7% Daily Activity: 1.7% Daily Activity: 1.7%
18,600 is way too expensive for a used fit. I bought my 2010 sport in January for 16,400 and it was brand new.

Find a different dealer.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 01:59 PM
Member
iTrader: (0)
5 Year Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 115
Rep Power: 0
blazej is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 624, Level: 12
Points: 624, Level: 12 Points: 624, Level: 12 Points: 624, Level: 12
Level up: 48%, 26 Points needed
Level up: 48% Level up: 48% Level up: 48%
Daily Activity: 2.6%
Daily Activity: 2.6% Daily Activity: 2.6% Daily Activity: 2.6%
What, $18.6K? I paid $19,200 all-in (including tax, title...) for a new 2009 Fit Sport in April of 2009.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 02:28 PM
New Member
iTrader: (0)
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 11
Rep Power: 0
cjhandley is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 145, Level: 2
Points: 145, Level: 2 Points: 145, Level: 2 Points: 145, Level: 2
Level up: 90%, 5 Points needed
Level up: 90% Level up: 90% Level up: 90%
Daily Activity: 12.2%
Daily Activity: 12.2% Daily Activity: 12.2% Daily Activity: 12.2%
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gbarb18 View Post
18,600 is way too expensive for a used fit. I bought my 2010 sport in January for 16,400 and it was brand new.

Find a different dealer.
The other dealer that has a 4k mileage fit wants 18,900 minimum.

The new ones all look to be about 20-21k around here after tax.

Why am I getting screwed down here so bad?
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 02:37 PM
Member
iTrader: (0)
5 Year Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 115
Rep Power: 0
blazej is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 624, Level: 12
Points: 624, Level: 12 Points: 624, Level: 12 Points: 624, Level: 12
Level up: 48%, 26 Points needed
Level up: 48% Level up: 48% Level up: 48%
Daily Activity: 2.6%
Daily Activity: 2.6% Daily Activity: 2.6% Daily Activity: 2.6%
Go to truecar.com and just buy it new from the lowest cost dealer in your area.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 03:23 PM
Member
iTrader: (0)
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Kirkland, WA
Posts: 30
Rep Power: 0
Gbarb18 is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 104, Level: 2
Points: 104, Level: 2 Points: 104, Level: 2 Points: 104, Level: 2
Level up: 8%, 46 Points needed
Level up: 8% Level up: 8% Level up: 8%
Daily Activity: 1.7%
Daily Activity: 1.7% Daily Activity: 1.7% Daily Activity: 1.7%
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjhandley View Post
The other dealer that has a 4k mileage fit wants 18,900 minimum.

The new ones all look to be about 20-21k around here after tax.

Why am I getting screwed down here so bad?
That is weird, I bought mine in California near San Fran. I don't understand why it would more expensive for you.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 03:30 PM
New Member
iTrader: (0)
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 11
Rep Power: 0
cjhandley is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 145, Level: 2
Points: 145, Level: 2 Points: 145, Level: 2 Points: 145, Level: 2
Level up: 90%, 5 Points needed
Level up: 90% Level up: 90% Level up: 90%
Daily Activity: 12.2%
Daily Activity: 12.2% Daily Activity: 12.2% Daily Activity: 12.2%
Quote:
Originally Posted by blazej View Post
Go to truecar.com and just buy it new from the lowest cost dealer in your area.
According to that, I'd be paying $20,305 after tax for the cheapest car in the city.

That's $1,715 more just for 4,000 less miles and the new model as opposed to the '09, which I understand are pretty much the same in every way, right?

Am I missing anything? It's starting to look like I might just have to overpay for the used '09...
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 03:30 PM
New Member
iTrader: (0)
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 11
Rep Power: 0
cjhandley is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 145, Level: 2
Points: 145, Level: 2 Points: 145, Level: 2 Points: 145, Level: 2
Level up: 90%, 5 Points needed
Level up: 90% Level up: 90% Level up: 90%
Daily Activity: 12.2%
Daily Activity: 12.2% Daily Activity: 12.2% Daily Activity: 12.2%
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gbarb18 View Post
That is weird, I bought mine in California near San Fran. I don't understand why it would more expensive for you.
Texas doesn't have an income tax, so they make up for it with a crushing sales tax and other taxes. And I imagine Houston being a huge sprawling commuter city doesn't help much...
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 03:51 PM
MNfit's Avatar
Super Moderator
iTrader: (8)
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 3,252
Rep Power: 14379596
MNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to live
Points: 5,766, Level: 49
Points: 5,766, Level: 49 Points: 5,766, Level: 49 Points: 5,766, Level: 49
Level up: 8%, 184 Points needed
Level up: 8% Level up: 8% Level up: 8%
Daily Activity: 8.6%
Daily Activity: 8.6% Daily Activity: 8.6% Daily Activity: 8.6%
its crazy that used Fits are going for sop much. Id say if you dont need to do any financing through the dealer you probable have some room for bargaining. Make a offer to get the car that day and if they say no walk away.
__________________
JDM Taillight DIY / What is RICE? / dynoJet - 223whp, 177 tq
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 04:31 PM
New Member
iTrader: (0)
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 11
Rep Power: 0
cjhandley is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 145, Level: 2
Points: 145, Level: 2 Points: 145, Level: 2 Points: 145, Level: 2
Level up: 90%, 5 Points needed
Level up: 90% Level up: 90% Level up: 90%
Daily Activity: 12.2%
Daily Activity: 12.2% Daily Activity: 12.2% Daily Activity: 12.2%
Quote:
Originally Posted by MNfit View Post
its crazy that used Fits are going for sop much. Id say if you dont need to do any financing through the dealer you probable have some room for bargaining. Make a offer to get the car that day and if they say no walk away.
Any negotiating techniques? I didn't realize having my own financing would have an effect on the total price. Should I state this up-front?

I'm pretty familiar with negotiating techniques in other areas (legal background) but sadly enough, this is the first time I'll ever be purchasing a car! So, I'm not quite familiar with how the industry handles these things, and what methods are most effective at securing a lower cost.

Thanks everyone for being so helpful so far! Me and the future Mrs. appreciate it!
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 04:47 PM
Texas Coyote's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (3)
5 Year Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Anderson County Texas
Posts: 7,543
Rep Power: 38544928
Texas Coyote relies on Rep Points to liveTexas Coyote relies on Rep Points to liveTexas Coyote relies on Rep Points to liveTexas Coyote relies on Rep Points to liveTexas Coyote relies on Rep Points to liveTexas Coyote relies on Rep Points to liveTexas Coyote relies on Rep Points to liveTexas Coyote relies on Rep Points to liveTexas Coyote relies on Rep Points to liveTexas Coyote relies on Rep Points to liveTexas Coyote relies on Rep Points to live
Warner DeFord
Points: 4,268, Level: 41
Points: 4,268, Level: 41 Points: 4,268, Level: 41 Points: 4,268, Level: 41
Level up: 59%, 82 Points needed
Level up: 59% Level up: 59% Level up: 59%
Daily Activity: 1.2%
Daily Activity: 1.2% Daily Activity: 1.2% Daily Activity: 1.2%
I'd check with dealers in smaller towns where the majority of the population drives pickups and SUVs.. Cars in general sell for less and they might be willing to deal some on a small car to avoid trading it off to another dealer where there's a larger market for them..
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 04:59 PM
MNfit's Avatar
Super Moderator
iTrader: (8)
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 3,252
Rep Power: 14379596
MNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to liveMNfit relies on Rep Points to live
Points: 5,766, Level: 49
Points: 5,766, Level: 49 Points: 5,766, Level: 49 Points: 5,766, Level: 49
Level up: 8%, 184 Points needed
Level up: 8% Level up: 8% Level up: 8%
Daily Activity: 8.6%
Daily Activity: 8.6% Daily Activity: 8.6% Daily Activity: 8.6%
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjhandley View Post
Any negotiating techniques? I didn't realize having my own financing would have an effect on the total price. Should I state this up-front?

I'm pretty familiar with negotiating techniques in other areas (legal background) but sadly enough, this is the first time I'll ever be purchasing a car! So, I'm not quite familiar with how the industry handles these things, and what methods are most effective at securing a lower cost.

Thanks everyone for being so helpful so far! Me and the future Mrs. appreciate it!
actually I really dont, not sure if it would even work. I just would think if you walked in with say $16K cash and said ill take the Fit you would have a better chance then trying to get it for $16K with financing. Does that make any sense?
__________________
JDM Taillight DIY / What is RICE? / dynoJet - 223whp, 177 tq
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2011, 05:06 PM
Steve244's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (0)
5 Year Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Georgia
Posts: 3,601
Rep Power: 4236101
Steve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to liveSteve244 relies on Rep Points to live
Points: 3,500, Level: 36
Points: 3,500, Level: 36 Points: 3,500, Level: 36 Points: 3,500, Level: 36
Level up: 50%, 150 Points needed
Level up: 50% Level up: 50% Level up: 50%
Daily Activity: 28.6%
Daily Activity: 28.6% Daily Activity: 28.6% Daily Activity: 28.6%
Quote:
Originally Posted by MNfit View Post
actually I really dont, not sure if it would even work. I just would think if you walked in with say $16K cash and said ill take the Fit you would have a better chance then trying to get it for $16K with financing. Does that make any sense?
Cars dealers make more money selling loans than they do cars in a lot of cases. Don't tell them you won't finance with them; say you'll finance with them if the rate is competitive. After you sign the sales agreement then you sit with the finance guy who tries to sell you a loan, service agreements, and extended warranties. That's where a lot if not most of their profits are made. You don't have to buy anything from that guy.
Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2011, 05:06 PM
 
 
 
Reply
Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
high miles on your fit? big Fit 2nd Generation (GE 08-present) 21 11-07-2012 09:42 AM
Good deal or not: '08 Fit Sport w/ 44k miles for $14.5k BUJonathan 1st Generation (GD 01-08) 23 11-30-2011 09:06 PM
How many miles do you rack up a year on the Fit? mhadden 2nd Generation (GE 08-present) 44 10-11-2011 04:15 PM
FS in NV: 2007 Honda Fit Base, 10K miles, SSM, $14,200 kevjandon For Sale / Want To Buy / Classified Ads for USED Fit Items 2 12-16-2008 04:17 PM
'05 BMW 330i vs '09 Fit Sport prufrock General Fit Talk 19 10-28-2008 02:58 PM


Tags
000, 10000, 2008, 30, 30000, 30thousand, car, edmunds, fit, honda, maintenance, mile, miles, reduce, service, worth


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


 

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:52 PM.

Contact Details

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.5.2