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T1R has stated prices of around $3400 USD??? I thought it was going to be around $1800-2300?? What happened? I smell comparative pricing and profits.......
T1R's quality hasn't quite impressed me either.......
The kit you see on there is with the intercooler, etc.
But the kit that Ben is telling us without the intercooler, etc.
If you did enough research, the kit with intercooler needs a smaller washer fluid bottle. I believe there are a few other things needed to be modded. and that's the cost difference.
When I saw the $3500 cost on the kit, I made sure I read right.
The kit you see on there is with the intercooler, etc.
But the kit that Ben is telling us without the intercooler, etc.
If you did enough research, the kit with intercooler needs a smaller washer fluid bottle. I believe there are a few other things needed to be modded. and that's the cost difference.
When I saw the $3500 cost on the kit, I made sure I read right.
Correct me if I'm wrong!
-Tomi
Yeah the intercooler and piping, silicon connectors/clamps too.
Thats a lot of piping. But I hope most of that cost increase has to do with the engineering and tuning to make a very quality product. Once this is released and tested by consumers, I am sure the cost will justify itself.
from what i have heard a fully built L15 can do up to 400 hp
where did you get your information?
because , that i know of, there is nothing to build that eninge with (cams, pistons, valve train, reflashes)
so i am curious what a "fully built" L15 looks like, who build it and with what, what parts were used and who makes them? what shop(s) did the tunning?
I never once believed that this kit would go for <2k. Not feasible for profits! Wonder if Edelbrock or Greddy might also get into the mix. The amount of development time and testing has to be paid for somehow, and with relatively lower volume kits they have to factor those costs in on top of parts.
if you look at the rundown from sema 06, the hks fit had a turbo, so i'm sure there are others considering it as well.
my question is, as someone who has done countless cold air intakes on a variety of other cars, on a scale of 1-5, how difficult would a turbo install be for your average driveway wrench monkey? because at 3500$ i'd rather not have to invest more in labor for someone else to install it.
The kit you see on there is with the intercooler, etc.
But the kit that Ben is telling us without the intercooler, etc.
If you did enough research, the kit with intercooler needs a smaller washer fluid bottle. I believe there are a few other things needed to be modded. and that's the cost difference.
When I saw the $3500 cost on the kit, I made sure I read right.
Correct me if I'm wrong!
-Tomi
I'm hoping you guys realize that it's $3500 USD for A LOT of stuff!!! Intercooler, pipeing, the actual turbo, ECM, Injectors, etc... If you guys are asking for all that stuff for UNDER $3500, i can almost promise you that it'll be crap!!! Think about it, an AEM ECM is STARTING at $2000 USD. Now add on the Turbo, Intercool, header, gaskets, clamps, INJECTORS and so on. I think it's reasonable.
I'm hoping you guys realize that it's $3500 USD for A LOT of stuff!!! Intercooler, pipeing, the actual turbo, ECM, Injectors, etc... If you guys are asking for all that stuff for UNDER $3500, i can almost promise you that it'll be crap!!! Think about it, an AEM ECM is STARTING at $2000 USD. Now add on the Turbo, Intercool, header, gaskets, clamps, INJECTORS and so on. I think it's reasonable.
very true, thats why i don't see it as a huge surprise, i was just concerned with installation.
I'm hoping you guys realize that it's $3500 USD for A LOT of stuff!!! Intercooler, pipeing, the actual turbo, ECM, Injectors, etc... If you guys are asking for all that stuff for UNDER $3500, i can almost promise you that it'll be crap!!! Think about it, an AEM ECM is STARTING at $2000 USD. Now add on the Turbo, Intercool, header, gaskets, clamps, INJECTORS and so on. I think it's reasonable.
You are absolutely right. You are getting a complete turbo kit with a pre set mapping on the ecu. Which is tuned by professionals. I think the price is quite resonable.
Good points guys...I remember reading about the Edelbrock turbo kits getting bashed by a lot of guys who were so experienced they could piece a turbo kit together for {insert extrodinarily low $ here}. Then when someone would challenge them, they'd give a long list of items to scrounge at junkyards, or to scour ebay or other shops to buy used/rebuilt stuff etc. In other words, they're paying in 'time' and my opinion is they'd still eventually pay in $$ when something doesn't go right. These kits like the T1R and the JR charger are being developed as complete, usually down to every part you need to finish the job...and there is lots of engineering which goes into making sure the average guy can install with ease. That is partly what you pay for, and has to be factored into the decision of which way to go. I'll guarantee some folks would prefer to fab their own turbo setup...but I'm betting the vast majority of owners, especially those new to the hobby, would rather have a complete kit. They just need to make sure they understand what they're getting and the limitations involved w/ these kits vs tuner kits, etc.
"You get what you pay for." is a statement that goes a LOOONG way and holds true.
Dont be suprised to pay above $3500. Boosting is not for the budget-minded.
The hardest part of a turbo install is removing oil pan and weld an oil return line fitting. everything else, it can be done with a couple friends, a weekend, basic mechanic tools, and good instructions.
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03 DSM RSX Base Automatic-287whp/240wtq.....new build this summer
05 RS 1.0 TRD S/C tC - 283whp/200wtq 12psi + 35 dry shot
06 WDP TL A-Spec 07 VBP Fit Sport Auto-Totaled
07 WDP RDX w/ Technology Pkg
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maybe AJ will sell some oil pans that are already tapped for some of you
Is it even neccessary to welled it on? Somewhere a while back, I think it had to do with a boosted CRX, they used rubber washer for the oil return line nipple. It would be nice if there was a premade oil pan. That's one more thing we gotta buy..lol
The ABSOLUTE best way is to weld it. using tap-on washers/fittings/teflon/banjo bolt/etc do not guarantee a leak-free seal. its not too difficult to go to a tuner shop and ask them to weld it for like $20 or so. You just gota remove the pan. Or just ask them to do it all for you. Its actually the part that seems hard but not. Removing the pan and reinstalling it is the time consuming part, but not hard.
Banjo-type return lines have been shown to back up oil and cause oil seal-failure on the turbo. then turbo is shot. The ONLY way i would do it is welding a fitting. Oil is critical for your turbo and engine's life, it may leak and eventually before you know it, run short on oil while racing.
If AJR doesnt provide a oil pan, you can go buy a spare off Honda or something and get it tapped. Wont be cheap but reduces downtime i guess.
__________________ "Neg-rep'd by Claymore" Crew
03 DSM RSX Base Automatic-287whp/240wtq.....new build this summer
05 RS 1.0 TRD S/C tC - 283whp/200wtq 12psi + 35 dry shot
06 WDP TL A-Spec 07 VBP Fit Sport Auto-Totaled
07 WDP RDX w/ Technology Pkg
08 Vapor Metallic Saleen Mustang S281 3-Valve #25
08 Ford Expedition EL XLT
ok i have a question for AJ PwR Jr. or anyone at AJ that can answer this question. for those of use that can't really afford to thrown down 3500$ at once for the kit, will you sell the kit in pieces. i mean it would be easier to buy pieces of the kit, one at a time then all at once. i'm aware that in this manner i will probably add money onto the cost but it will make my wallet a lot happier.
where do u oerder it when its available off the website ?
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ok i have a question for AJ PwR Jr. or anyone at AJ that can answer this question. for those of use that can't really afford to thrown down 3500$ at once for the kit, will you sell the kit in pieces. i mean it would be easier to buy pieces of the kit, one at a time then all at once. i'm aware that in this manner i will probably add money onto the cost but it will make my wallet a lot happier.
You need to go back and read the thread. $3500+ full kit, $1500+ without some parts but is still a turbo kit.
. i need to get some friends with some welding skills. could you tap a hole in the pan and use some telfon tape to secure?
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