apexi neo or aem f/ic?

[explosivpotato]

Emanage is more expensive, but I've got my Ultimate for sale if anyone wants it. I'll probably put it up in the FS section. It still works great, of course.

[redrumm]

nice that would deff be a good buy for the OP

[explosivpotato]

For anyone interested:

Greddy Emanage Ultimate - $450

[Sugarphreak]

Originally Posted by explosivpotato

If you're going to stick N/A, I'd personally go with the Emanage or Emanage Ultimate. These units will allow you to do airflow adjustments, and direct fuel adjustments (with extra injector harness if using emanage blue), as well as retard AND advance timing (again, extra ignition harness for EMB).

Last I knew Sugarphreak was using the EManage Ultimate, not the FIC. The FIC is really designed for adding forced induction to a factory N/A car, and here's why

Yeah I am using the E-manage

Hmmm, something interesting; I haven't even touched the I/J adjustment, just the Airflow & Ignition maps. Same with the one from AJR, no adjustments on the I/J

[explosivpotato]

Hey Sugar, are your fuel injectors even wired up to your Emanage?

To test this if you're not sure, go into the I/J map and pull as much fuel as you can. If the car doesn't die, your injectors aren't wired in, and the airflow adjustment is the only adjustment you can make.

Also note, putting negative values in the airflow map will effectively ADVANCE timing, and positive values will RETARD it. This is why the AFC hack is a terrible idea.

[redfit_pr]

ohh do you guys said that aem FIC doesnt work with N/A cars... i was thinking of get one because in a future i will make it turbo... do you guys think i need to wait on install this until i make it turbo? or i can tune a little for a N/A with some bolt ons? excuse my english... lol...

[im the fit]

I just bought a F/ic on ebay, so im going to see what I can do with the fic on a N/A it better work other wise im gonna be pissed

[redfit_pr]

^^^ please tell me how it works on yours when u connect it!!1

[im the fit]

would anyone know if closed loop could be adjusted with the f/ic

[explosivpotato]

yep. It has an oxygen sensor offset. It comes all wired up if you get the Boomslang harness.

[im the fit]

so I want to learn everything I have to do before I receive the fic, on the instructions it says to connect to narrow band,but I can find the o2 on the ecu pinout ,the fic has bank 1 and 2 tap and I cant find anything for a map but the fic has maf wires and the fic has three grounds and one of the grounds says signal ground and I dont know where to connect it to
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[Sugarphreak]

Originally Posted by explosivpotato

Hey Sugar, are your fuel injectors even wired up to your Emanage?

To test this if you're not sure, go into the I/J map and pull as much fuel as you can. If the car doesn't die, your injectors aren't wired in, and the airflow adjustment is the only adjustment you can make.

Also note, putting negative values in the airflow map will effectively ADVANCE timing, and positive values will RETARD it. This is why the AFC hack is a terrible idea.

I don't think they are, I will give that trick a try to find out.

[explosivpotato]

If you look at the fit ECU wiring diagram (i dont have mine handy), the pin you want for oxygen sensor offset is AFS+. Just tap this wire, do not splice. Do not use a resistor. The stock fit oxygen sensor is wideband, and so you can use the offset to make closed loop target any AFR you want between 10.8:1 and 20:1.

The MAP sensor is usually wired into the MAF circuit on the FIC, as we don't have a MAF. If we did have a MAF, you'd use the Analog A and B circuits for extra sensors (like wiring up both a MAF and a MAP sensor).

I couldn't tell you exactly which grounds go where, but I know the stock ECU is going to have an injector ground, sensor ground, and general ground. These should be separate, specifically the sensor ground. This one is critical, as it can cause your MAP sensor to read wrong if it's grounded to the wrong place.

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All that sh!t is why I just up and bought the boomslang harness. The 5 second install was worth 2x the price.

[im the fit]

so the fic has a maf in and out,would I use that to intercept the map sensor?and would I use bank1 to tap the o2 becaese theres also bank2 wires coming out the fic,and im still having trouble with the signal ground. so far I have everything I need to know thank's to fellow fitfreaks= )

[explosivpotato]

Yes, use the MAF circuit to intercept the MAP signal.

You only use the bank 1 o2 sensor wire, because you only have one bank of cylinders LOL.

As for the ground you could check out the AEM forums at
AEM F/IC Piggyback

[im the fit]

ok so I read for signal ground they said to just use map signal,and it would be connector A pin #24 SG1 green/white

[im the fit]

any maps for N/A

[im the fit]

F/ic timing advancing?
Mitsubishi Eclipse Forum

[redfit_pr]

^^^ sounds great... it works with the l15???

[explosivpotato]

That thread doesn't say HOW they did this..

I have a feeling they advanced the base ignition timing through the distributor and used the F/IC to dial it back where they needed it. This will not work on the L15.