Swap: L13A to L15A - possible?

[GTornado]

Hey guys,

I am currently thinking about ways to improve my car's performance and stumbled across the possibility of swapping engines. Due to the fact that I am quite a noob concerning that, I want to ask you if you got any idea. I drive a Honda Fit L13A with CVT transmission. I read that the GD3 is also offered with CVT in Japan.

Do you have any idea if this swap is possible? What do I need concerning information for a swap?

I think I need the following:
- information regarding emissions
- L15A engine
- transmission?
- ECU

Thanks for any help in advance!

EDIT:
Just one detail: The 1.5l VTEC is not offered in Europe, therefore the idea of swapping.

[stevet47]

If you were swapping in an engine that didn't originally come in the fit, it would be one thing, but in your case I would say sell yours and buy one with a 1.5L

[GTornado]

Any ideas? I read that some guy on the board tried to do the before-mentioned swap but unfortunately, it seems as if he could not finish it due to another project...

[Mr08FiT]

Why do this, this sounds like a waste IMO, if you're going to do a swap swap for something decent like a k20... no?

[Fat Ping Cat]

Well I am guessing that since Germany is so strict about the cars they allow on the roads that it wouldn't be street legal.

You said that the 1.5 isn't even offered in Europe? Well then they may not allow you to even have swapped into your car.

As far as what you gain by doing this it would not be very much and is definitely not worth your money. You would also have to swap out the transmission as well.

A k20 swap costs an outrageous amount of money. I've got to tell you to just be practical. Make your car unique, make it yours but don't get carried away. Save up for the longer run for a better car and one that has a better platform for tuning.

edit.. just checked out your pictures posted from April, the car is looking good! I would suggest getting the jdm led tails though. keep up the nice work

[GTornado]

Originally Posted by Mr08FiT

Why do this, this sounds like a waste IMO, if you're going to do a swap swap for something decent like a k20... no?

Yes and no. The K20A is connected with a lot of modifications, tranny swap, wiring, different axle - at least this is what I read on the forums. Such modifications will never be allowed over here.

Originally Posted by Fat Ping Cat

Well I am guessing that since Germany is so strict about the cars they allow on the roads that it wouldn't be street legal.

As far as what you gain by doing this it would not be very much and is definitely not worth your money. You would also have to swap out the transmission as well.

A k20 swap costs an outrageous amount of money. I've got to tell you to just be practical. Make your car unique, make it yours but don't get carried away. Save up for the longer run for a better car and one that has a better platform for tuning.

edit.. just checked out your pictures posted from April, the car is looking good! I would suggest getting the jdm led tails though. keep up the nice work

Well, there may be a slight chance due to the fact that the engine can be used in the car, but I'm working on it. Nevertheless, in order to make progress concerning legal things, I must collect details about the modifications needed in order to present it to our authorities.

I thought about the L15A swap due to the fact that the transmission should be identical, isn't it? I also searched on eBay for used engines just to get an impression concerning prices. They're listed for approx. 1.500 USD with tranny so that sounds quite okay to me.

If you see the facts, the Fit will never be a race car. But I really love the concept of the car (lots of space, great design, cool parts) and it definitely has potential. I don't have plans for a better car in the near future, I just want to have some extra HP that can be legally achieved.

Thank you for viewing the pictures. I'd love to get the JDM tails but they don't have a rear fog light and it's a must in Europe. I think I could remove one light for reverse gear but I don't know if it will work properly. They tails are really expensive and I think it's too much money to test out modifications.

[Jazz it up!]

i think it shouldn't be hard. just the way how people change to bigger displacement b-series engines. the L15 and L13 are the same, it should be bolt-on.

[GTornado]

Originally Posted by Jazz it up!

i think it shouldn't be hard. just the way how people change to bigger displacement b-series engines. the L15 and L13 are the same, it should be bolt-on.

Hey, thanks for your information. That was my initial thought. Do you have any proof for this?

[Jazz it up!]

Originally Posted by GTornado

Hey, thanks for your information. That was my initial thought. Do you have any proof for this?

uh no... i've heard about people doing it tho here, but i haven't seen one. im pretty sure there's honda specialists there, right?

EDIT: Yours is the 1.4 right? thats not really a significant diff.

[GTornado]

I'm running the 1.4 which is the JDM 1.3 iDSI engine. But my car is a left hand drive, so I don't know about the right hand drive JDM engines.

No, there isn't really a Honda specialist over here that is familiar with such swap (or interested in it).

[Jazz it up!]

Oh ok. You don't have to get from Japan...You knowthe cars are LHD and we have the 1300 and 1500. Best alternative for you is to go boost it. Equivalent power of a 1500 but with TQ!

[GTornado]

Ah, thanks for the information. So, it is reasonable to purchase an engine from the PI, isn't it? Do you know whether the 1.5 VTEC is also offered with CVT tranny there? That's one of the most important aspects due to ECU etc. I think.

I also thought about a boost but there's no way to get a street legal version. Therefore the swap idea...

[Jazz it up!]

Yes and yes. We have a lot of surplus engines here. But L15s are still new. Once in awhile you can walk by one. You'll prolly find more K20 engines... lol

[Type 100]

Just thinking aloud...and related to topic

How about swapping an i-VTEC L15A or L13A from a GE8 or GE6 into a GD body? Would it be possible?

[Jazz it up!]

is it still called L15A? If it's the same engine code, i dont see how it should be difficult, maybe aside from wiring and what not.

[Jazzfitman]

Originally Posted by GTornado

Hey guys,

I am currently thinking about ways to improve my car's performance and stumbled across the possibility of swapping engines. Due to the fact that I am quite a noob concerning that, I want to ask you if you got any idea. I drive a Honda Fit L13A with CVT transmission. I read that the GD3 is also offered with CVT in Japan.

Do you have any idea if this swap is possible? What do I need concerning information for a swap?

I think I need the following:
- information regarding emissions
- L15A engine
- transmission?
- ECU

Thanks for any help in advance!

EDIT:
Just one detail: The 1.5l VTEC is not offered in Europe, therefore the idea of swapping.

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[Type 100]

Originally Posted by Jazz it up!

is it still called L15A? If it's the same engine code, i dont see how it should be difficult, maybe aside from wiring and what not.

Yep, still the same engine codes (L13A and L15A).
Only differences I see externally concern the intake design, the one used on the GEs is a two-piece system. Under-hood scoop + a much shorter, straighter intake hose vs. our GDs.

[GTornado]

Don't take over my topic. I also read about the HKS Kit for the L15A. It's interesting that you can also modify it to work with the L13A but there's no way for street legality here.

The GE-GD swap may be possible but I'm not informed about transmission, electronics, wiring etc. So that's fairly impossible as well, I guess.

Any further information on the L13A - L15A swap idea?

[Type 100]

Originally Posted by GTornado

Don't take over my topic. I also read about the HKS Kit for the L15A. It's interesting that you can also modify it to work with the L13A but there's no way for street legality here.

The GE-GD swap may be possible but I'm not informed about transmission, electronics, wiring etc. So that's fairly impossible as well, I guess.

Any further information on the L13A - L15A swap idea?

Sorry. Didn't mean to do so. Just thought you might want the option of the GE-GD L-series swap...owing largely to the i-VTEC head on both engines. If you're after maximum gains in stock engine condition, that would be a good option.

We share the same L13A i-DSI engine. The L13A i-VTEC on the GEs has a pretty useful 18HP bump at the crank. If you got the initiative to swap your L13A twin-spark for an L15A i-VTEC from a GE8, that's a 38HP bump on paper already.

[GTornado]

Well, I've done some research here and Honda is only offering the L13A engine for the new Fit. So, there seems to be no other way than importing an engine. I am not sure, but the GE L15A does have some differences to the GD engine, doesn't it?