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They are 205/40/R17 tires wrapped around 17x7 TSW Asan4's; They are availiable with an offset of +40
Who would have thought; +40 could cause a problem
For those of us who tested 40 mm offset, we would.
Again, for the 100th time, any offset less than 42 mm is asking for trouble. And if lowered, less than 45 mm, both for 7" rim width in 15, 16, or 17" wheels and tires 23.4" or greater diameter. Even less if lowered.
The problem with 215/45x16 is that the added tread width is equivalent to subtracting 5 mm from the offset due to the wider tread width of a 215 vs 205 tire. And the added width is the worst place, the outside and inside corners of the circumference where rubbing is most likely.
To make matters worse a 215 generally weighs about a pound or two more at the circumference, making it harder for the engine to turn it over. That results in pooer acceleration and mpg. It helps if your original tire was 185/55x16 (24") but not enough.
Yeah with a 215/45/R16 & +45 offset it is the same as if you were running a +40 offset with a 205/45/R16 (almost, because width is an aspect of diameter the 215 is actually a touch taller as well).
This was his own doing though, interestingly enough in this case when he ordered Tirerack called him up and told him it would rub. So this wasn't an error on thier end.
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Last edited by Sugarphreak; 04-21-2009 at 03:45 PM.
The problem with 215/45x16 is that the added tread width is equivalent to subtracting 5 mm from the offset due to the wider tread width of a 215 vs 205 tire. And the added width is the worst place, the outside and inside corners of the circumference where rubbing is most likely.
To make matters worse a 215 generally weighs about a pound or two more at the circumference, making it harder for the engine to turn it over. That results in pooer acceleration and mpg. It helps if your original tire was 185/55x16 (24") but not enough.
The spec of the 215/45 16 is 23.6, .1 taller than 195/55/15 (stock) and tread width .5 inches wider that's 2.5" 6.3mm closer to the outside edge equivalent to a 205/50/15 on a +38 in front like the spoon fit.The weight of the tire is 20#s so a tad lighter than my aging Federal 595rs 205/45/16 at 21#s. I changed the front primarily to try it at autox. BTW Ecsta XS very good lateral traction but, poor accel and braking traction as it burned out a lot at start and shift to second and locked up before a hairpin. I had to do a lot of adjusting in driving the next 3 runs.
Any way it barely rubbed the top tab in front which I gently pushed up on and moved enough for anabsolute fix, 0 rubbing. I have -2.1 degree negative camber for autox. I decided to make a track only setup for autox using the Dunlop Star Specs 195/55/15s on +41 rpf1s 8#s of weight off each wheel.Star Spec still the champ in my book even at 195/55/15. I'll probably find a cheap set of 205/45/16s for my daily drive.
Ok. I just bought new shoe. It was 17x7 | 205/40/17. My problem is my rear tire is rubbing every-time I drive in train crossing or up and down road. How can I fix this problem? Any idea? Pictures? DIY?
Anyway heres some pictures.
I notice that my tire is rubbing in the inner fender on the side of the screw and not the screw.
Please advise before I do some stupid things.
Problem FIXED! Thank you guys. I just fold it. And it works!
I've read thru this this thread trying to find info on my ideal setup.
I'm looking at purchasing some 15x7 +38 offset XXR wheels on 195/55R/15.
Mine is a 08 Fit Sport still stock and will probably stay with stock suspension for now. Tires would most likely be new 195/55/15 which I think is same as the stock tire.
Will these rub at this offset? (I only seen two answers for this particular setup in this thread, with a lot of conflicting info & the rest is just questions about it).
Also, IF I do want to lower it in the future say no more than 1", will these still be okay?
I know much of it depends on the tire brand chosen, so what would you guys recommend I go with? A low profile type tire? I want a decent/good quality tire as its a DD. I was looking at either Dunlop Direzzas DZ101, Falken Ziex ZE 912, or Kumho Ecsta ASX
I'm a girl, so I don't want to get into fender rolling or any major rubbing issues. If this is going to be a big issue I'll have to find something different, but I really like these wheels.
Thanks in advance for any advice you can give...
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Just put some TSW Trackstar 4's in 15X6.5 +45mm offset with Yokohama S Drive 195 55 15 tires on my car in conjunction with the T1R S Spec dampers and springs no rubbing issues at all, its a good feeling.
I've read thru this this thread trying to find info on my ideal setup.
I'm looking at purchasing some 15x7 +38 offset XXR wheels on 195/55R/15.
Mine is a 08 Fit Sport still stock and will probably stay with stock suspension for now. Tires would most likely be new 195/55/15 which I think is same as the stock tire.
Will these rub at this offset? (I only seen two answers for this particular setup in this thread, with a lot of conflicting info & the rest is just questions about it).
Also, IF I do want to lower it in the future say no more than 1", will these still be okay?
I know much of it depends on the tire brand chosen, so what would you guys recommend I go with? A low profile type tire? I want a decent/good quality tire as its a DD. I was looking at either Dunlop Direzzas DZ101, Falken Ziex ZE 912, or Kumho Ecsta ASX
I'm a girl, so I don't want to get into fender rolling or any major rubbing issues. If this is going to be a big issue I'll have to find something different, but I really like these wheels.
Thanks in advance for any advice you can give...
For the millionth time. The only sure wheels to use on 08's and prior is minimum 42 mm ofgfset when the tire diameter is the same or greater than stock (which is indeed 195/55x15 is stock 08 Sport). If you go with a 45 mm offset wheel you'll be in good shape to use any 205/50x15 tire because the diameter is 4/10th-inch less (you won't tell the diff on speedo or odo on an error of about 0.9 mph at 60 mph or 16 miles in 1000 actual miles). And it'll look better and get better performance and mpg. Thats because the tread weight is just enough closer to the hub to cancel out the extra work to turn a larger/heavier ttread.
Good luck. Sorry we can't offer encouragement but thats how it is.
For the millionth time. The only sure wheels to use on 08's and prior is minimum 42 mm ofgfset when the tire diameter is the same or greater than stock (which is indeed 195/55x15 is stock 08 Sport). If you go with a 45 mm offset wheel you'll be in good shape to use any 205/50x15 tire because the diameter is 4/10th-inch less (you won't tell the diff on speedo or odo on an error of about 0.9 mph at 60 mph or 16 miles in 1000 actual miles). And it'll look better and get better performance and mpg. Thats because the tread weight is just enough closer to the hub to cancel out the extra work to turn a larger/heavier ttread.
Good luck. Sorry we can't offer encouragement but thats how it is.
I know what the ideal minimum offset is- I've read this thread and numerous others. However, hardly anyone on this forum has that IDEAL set up that you're referring to unless they're still stock like me. If everyone was, I doubt this thread wouldn't be 76 pages long. Thus the questions.
I also KNOW +38 is lower than the norm for this car.
I'm not looking for encouragement either, but thanks anyway for your response.
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When Mahout says "ideal", he is talking about the known safe tolerances.
Your setup is kind of at the edge of those tolerances, the fact of the matter is you may or may not rub with your suggested setup. If I had to guess I would say you might get some rubbing in the rear.
I can't say for sure in this case; +45 is usually where you want to be for offset, but if you plant to use a 195 width tire it might work with a +38 offset. Your best bet to avoid problems is pick a rim with a higher offset, otherwise if you are dead set on a specific rimm try picking a lower profile tire to give yourself a bit of a safety net. There are a lot of tires available in 195/50 sizes.
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Last edited by Sugarphreak; 04-28-2009 at 11:54 AM.
When Mahout says "ideal", he is talking about the known safe tolerances.
Your setup is kind of at the edge of those tolerances, the fact of the matter is you may or may not rub with your suggested setup. If I had to guess I would say you might get some rubbing in the rear.
I can't say for sure in this case; +45 is usually where you want to be for offset, but if you plant to use a 195 width tire it might work with a +38 offset. Your best bet to avoid problems is pick a rim with a higher offset, otherwise if you are dead set on a specific rimm try picking a lower profile tire to give yourself a bit of a safety net. There are a lot of tires available in 195/50 sizes.
Yeah, I know this is pushing the limit at that offset. I'm thinking the only way it would/might work is for a low profile tire too, but I've not seen enough info from others on that to risk it.
I was hoping to get feedback from someone who had tried that particular setup, but it seems most have 16's/17's on their Fits or their Fits are slammed on 15's. I did read where one guy said he had it, and had no problems-way back halfway thru this thread somewhere but that was about it.
Anyhoo, I'm still researching and shopping. If it won't work, it won't work. I'll move on to something else. My problem is I'm pretty picky, lol. I'm not going to slap just anything on my car. If I don't find any rims I like and I prefer a deep lip design, keeping the stock wheels and lowering it a bit is always an option, I guess. But thats my last resort.
Thanks for the feedback.
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It is a bit of a grey area, one thing I have been noticing is some Fit's have no problems with a setup while another does (for whatever reason).
I usually try to advocate safe tolerances with a "better safe than sorry" philosophy, nothing is worse than getting a set of rims that are supposed to fit and having them rub like hell.
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Yeah, I know this is pushing the limit at that offset. I'm thinking the only way it would/might work is for a low profile tire too, but I've not seen enough info from others on that to risk it.
I was hoping to get feedback from someone who had tried that particular setup, but it seems most have 16's/17's on their Fits or their Fits are slammed on 15's. I did read where one guy said he had it, and had no problems-way back halfway thru this thread somewhere but that was about it.
Anyhoo, I'm still researching and shopping. If it won't work, it won't work. I'll move on to something else. My problem is I'm pretty picky, lol. I'm not going to slap just anything on my car. If I don't find any rims I like and I prefer a deep lip design, keeping the stock wheels and lowering it a bit is always an option, I guess. But thats my last resort.
Thanks for the feedback.
My Meshies were 15x7 +13. 195/45 tires No rubbing up front, and nor rubbing in rear, I was moderatlely dropped on HKS coilovers (about 1 1/2 finger gap)
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