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The problem with fitments when you get close is ever car is slightly different . The alignment can make a wheel fit on one car and not the next. The tires are all different sizes as well even within the same size. You can get up to a 1/3" difference in height and width on certain tires.
Sometimes it is not just black or white.
I know what the ideal minimum offset is- I've read this thread and numerous others. However, hardly anyone on this forum has that IDEAL set up that you're referring to unless they're still stock like me. If everyone was, I doubt this thread wouldn't be 76 pages long. Thus the questions.
I also KNOW +38 is lower than the norm for this car.
I'm not looking for encouragement either, but thanks anyway for your response.
Ideal is not the same as MINIMUM. If you use a wheel with offset LESS than 42 mm you have a 90% chance of interference unless you use a way too small width tire.
And yes, 45 mm is ideal because it gives some room to lower if not too much. At 42 mm if you lower you get interference..
So there's 77 pages of this thread and after reading through the first couple, I don't think I'll be able to sift through the whole thing to find my answer lol.
What tire size will I need to get to fit a 15x7 +25 wheel? I know I'll have to roll my fenders for sure, but I don't want to have to get flares or pull them just to fit my wheels.
So there's 77 pages of this thread and after reading through the first couple, I don't think I'll be able to sift through the whole thing to find my answer lol.
What tire size will I need to get to fit a 15x7 +25 wheel? I know I'll have to roll my fenders for sure, but I don't want to have to get flares or pull them just to fit my wheels.
Maybe I'll just go with a +35 instead.
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You might get a 155/70x15 tire to fit without rubbing but the 7" rim is too wide; 15x6 wheel would be better..
But the rule is offset needs to be not less than 42 mm is stock height or 45 mm if lowered reasonably. 25 mm is 17 mm less than lower limit.
Eibach Prokit
15X7 wheels (?? offset)
205/50/15 or 205/55/15 tires
Question: When getting the wheels, what should be the right offset so my new tires won't rub? I was thinking maybe +40, but I'm not really sure..and do you think this set up will clear the wheel gap? Thanks in advance.
the only way to be sure you are safe from rubbing with a 15" wheel is to have a +45 or higher offset with a 6.5" (or narrower) wheel width. Now the enkei is 7" wide and will stick out as a +34 offset 6.5" wheel, which would stick out a full 1.1cm further out than a +45 15X6.5 wheel which is the minimum to guarantee clearance. So with that said rubbing could definitely be an issue with that wheel, especially if the car is/will eventually be dropped.
I would like to put some alloy wheels on my jazz its an o4 it came with 14 inch steel wheels with 175 65 tyers on.
dose any one know what the sizes and widths of wheels i can fit to it with out them rubbing on the arches or the insides
I'm expecting the overseas 04 to be same as USA 08; we have had no problems with 205/50x15; 205/45x16, or 205/40x17 or smaller width tires (like 195/40x17) on wheels with 42 mm offset at stock suspension heights or 45 mm when lowered 30 mor so.
The best choice all around is 45 mm offset wheels.
Hope that helps.
the only way to be sure you are safe from rubbing with a 15" wheel is to have a +45 or higher offset with a 6.5" (or narrower) wheel width. Now the enkei is 7" wide and will stick out as a +34 offset 6.5" wheel, which would stick out a full 1.1cm further out than a +45 15X6.5 wheel which is the minimum to guarantee clearance. So with that said rubbing could definitely be an issue with that wheel, especially if the car is/will eventually be dropped.
Hmm..that's a bummer; the wheels I want only come in 15X7, and I just spoke to the rep from the wheel company and he says they come with +40 offset. He told me they've tried it on the Fit and they should work without a problem with a +40 offset. Not taking his word for it though, he may just be saying that to sell me the wheels. On another note, it's weird that TheTireRack would sell wheels for the Fit in 15X7. I guess they don't plan on their customers lowering their vehicles, which is even stranger since they also sell after market springs, so..I'll have to do more research. Appreciate your info and help.
Last edited by fit-aficionado; 05-09-2009 at 06:45 PM.
Hmm..that's a bummer; the wheels I want only come in 15X7, and I just spoke to the rep from the wheel company and he says they come with +40 offset. He told me they've tried it on the Fit and they should work without a problem with a +40 offset. Not taking his word for it though, he may just be saying that to sell me the wheels. On another note, it's weird that TheTireRack would sell wheels for the Fit in 15X7. I guess they don't plan on their customers lowering their vehicles, which is even stranger since they also sell after market springs, so..I'll have to do more research. Appreciate your info and help.
Right all their research is based on stock ride height. You could maybey run a lower profile tire like a 195 50 R15 or something to buy some more room.
Right all their research is based on stock ride height. You could maybey run a lower profile tire like a 195 50 R15 or something to buy some more room.
Yeah I was thinking about that, just running basically the same size tires would seem to work. But honestly I'm concern because it seems the new tires would have to stretch a full inch more to fit on the 15X7. I've heard of people doing it, but I'm not sure about this...
Hmm..that's a bummer; the wheels I want only come in 15X7, and I just spoke to the rep from the wheel company and he says they come with +40 offset. He told me they've tried it on the Fit and they should work without a problem with a +40 offset. Not taking his word for it though, he may just be saying that to sell me the wheels. On another note, it's weird that TheTireRack would sell wheels for the Fit in 15X7. I guess they don't plan on their customers lowering their vehicles, which is even stranger since they also sell after market springs, so..I'll have to do more research. Appreciate your info and help.
We have 3 Fits here with 15x7/42 mm wheels mounting 205/50x15 tires with no rubbing issues.
The centerline of the 'new' wheel is 'pushed out' by the difference in offsets, or 53or 55 mm to 42 mm, or 11 to 13 mm. That means the wheel centerline pushes out by 11 to 13 mm. The tire has a section width of 205 mm which means the section pushes out 102.5 mm from the wheel centerline (half the whole section width). Since the tread is only about 90% of the section width the edge of the tread is 92.25 mm from the wheel centerline. The edge of the wheel is not controlling. A 205/50x15 tire on a 42 mm offset wheel sticks out from the hub face by 92.5 LESS the offset of 42 mm leaves 50.25 mm.
A stock 195/55x15 tire on a 15x6/55 mm offset wheel sticks the outside tread corner out only 32.75 mm from the hub. That means the 205/50x15 on 15x7/42 sticks out only 50.25 - 32.75 or 17.5 mm (3/4").
And here is the kicker: the 205/50x15 tire is only 23.07" while the stock is 23.44" so the tread edge is a quarter-inch downward from the fender lip.. Thasts means the 205/50x15 tire on 15x7/42 mm wheel fits nicely under the fender without rubbing as long as the suspension is not lowered.
Here's a good way to prove it:
Stick some pieces of 3/4" thick insulation on the ouside edge of your 195/55x15 tire about 1/4" below the tread edge and drive around gently with a couple of people in the back seat. If you don't get rubbing or knocking the insulation off then going with 205/50x15 will be OK.
All 3 here have no difficulty but as many posters point out all Fits ain't the same. Be sure not to go so fast the insulation pieces are thrown off.
Great stuff mahout, thanks for the info mang. I understand exactly what you mean, but I've decided not to risk it and just go with stock size tires instead. My car is totally stock now so I have a good ballpark figure of where new tires may end up. I placed one of those wooden rulers perpendicular to the ground right next to the side of the tire all the way up into the wheel well. From the ruler to the inside of the fender(plastic part), it measured about 1/2"-3/4" which may be a bit more, about(1/16") due to the thickness of the ruler. Mind you, this is with the 195 stock tires on. It seems to me that 205 tires may just be too far out and not have enough clearance once lowered, even more when others ride with you. I'm not saying the ones you know do have rubbing, but I'm just gonna leave it on stock size tires. Believe me bro, been there, done that, and rolling fenders is something I don't want to do again. I'm convinced that 195/50-55/15 won't have an issue as far as rubbing like Skierdood said, but while I was thinking about the rubbing problem, I totally forgot the calipers, that may be the real issue if they aren't cleared. I'll have to see tomorrow.
Last edited by fit-aficionado; 05-10-2009 at 11:08 PM.
Great stuff mahout, thanks for the info mang. I understand exactly what you mean, but I've decided not to risk it and just go with stock size tires instead. My car is totally stock now so I have a good ballpark figure of where new tires may end up. I placed one of those wooden rulers perpendicular to the ground right next to the side of the tire all the way up into the wheel well. From the ruler to the inside of the fender(plastic part), it measured about 1/2"-3/4" which may be a bit more, about(1/16") due to the thickness of the ruler. Mind you, this is with the 195 stock tires on. It seems to me that 205 tires may just be too far out and not have enough clearance once lowered, even more when others ride with you. I'm not saying the ones you know do have rubbing, but I'm just gonna leave it on stock size tires. Believe me bro, been there, done that, and rolling fenders is something I don't want to do again. I'm convinced that 195/50-55/15 won't have an issue as far as rubbing like Skierdood said, but while I was thinking about the rubbing problem, I totally forgot the calipers, that may be the real issue if they aren't cleared. I'll have to see tomorrow.
Great. If you had 1/2 to 3/4" clearance horizontally from the 195 sidewall (not the tread corner) if you now have the 205/50x15 tires on 42 to 45 mm offset wheels must surely clear. Try doing it again and measure the horizontal clearance from inside edge of the vertical ruler from about 1/4" down from the tread edge to the fender flange. It should be about 1" to 11/4". Remember the 205/50x15's on 42 mm will push out 3/4" there so you have a 1/4" clearance. 3/8" if you use 45 mm offset.
It helps too that the wheel tilts inward a little when the suspension spring compresses.
All that being said, as we tell our customers we just offer information, they must be comfortable and in your case I agree with your decision.
^See that's the thing. The wheels I want only come in +40 offset so that'd be even less clearance if I were to use 205s, plus I heard the Prokits settle even more than manufacturer specs(around 2.0 or so they say), hence why I'll go with 195s instead. Regarding the calipers clearance, I think I should be ok. I was looking at all the specs from other members here on the "Official Fit Shoe Tread" and a few people had very similar set ups as the one I want. Most of them were ok front and back with no rubbing issues using the 195/50-55/15 tire sizes. Once again, thanks for your help mahout.
Last edited by fit-aficionado; 05-11-2009 at 09:27 AM.
^See that's the thing. The wheels I want only come in +40 offset so that'd be even less clearance if I were to use 205s, plus I heard the Prokits settle even more than manufacturer specs(around 2.0 or so they say), hence why I'll go with 195s instead. Regarding the calipers clearance, I think I should be ok. I was looking at all the specs from other members here on the "Official Fit Shoe Tread" and a few people had very similar set ups as the one I want. Most of them were ok front and back with no rubbing issues using the 195/50-55/15 tire sizes. Once again, thanks for your help mahout.
yes, verily. I'd do exactly what you're doing, too. And for the same reasons.
quick question: 15x7 +35 offset 195/55/15 tires on springs right now and rubs a lot.
im getting coilovers soon, so would a 205/50/15 or even a 205/45/15 (if there is such a thing) would help reduce rubbing? im gonna be on the lowest settings.
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