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Bought my 2007 on nov 24 2006 so I am not covered theoretically.
I am sure that Honda will honour the warranty for any problem encountered within the extra 5% of distance.
At alldatadiy.com, where there is access to all the technical service bulletins, it is clear that the dealer has great discretion in applying warranty coverage to cars well out of the coverage.
My car over registers by 3.75%. Checked it using several different highways and kilometer posts over many hundreds of kms.
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Rod
alldata targets the US as all I have seen refers to US states only, show a US map only and totally ignores anything north of the border.
I am in Canada and have not received any notice and don't expect to.
In any case we are not talking about 10,000 kms, only a max of about 6 tanks of gas at 500km each.
Your relationship with your dealer will probably be the deciding factor if you have a problem after the warranty has expired. It is clear from the bulletins that the dealers have some latitude.
Many of the TSBs include the following text: "Any repair performed after warranty expiration may be eligible for goodwill consideration by the District Parts and Service Manager or your Zone Office. You must request consideration, and get a decision, before starting work".
My advice would be to work on your goodwill and develop a good relationship with your counter men. When a customer shows a constructive interest in the product they can be very co-operative. It helps to do your homework too.
I asked questions about the clutch damper which they couldn't answer, they had to go national, and national had to go to Japan. They found it all very interesting and do not ignore me when I show up. If you are polite, and not an ignorant and overbearing client they will bend over backwards to help.
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Interesting.... we have the same problem with the Yaris, at least with the speedometer (shows about 5% faster compared to GPS/radar detector). On one hand it lets people stay under the speed limit, on the other hand it makes mileage and performance look better, not to mention warranties. But, we have not yet figured out if this discrepancy also affects the odometer...
just a word about the fuel mileage thing if you figure that the odomerter is showing a 5% increase it wouldn't mess up the MPG calculation by too much for example: my fit will get around 350 to 400 from a full tank untill the gas light comes on, so when the light is on it usually takes 9 gallons to fill the tank to full 350 to nine gallons of fuel leaves you with 38.89 MPG if the odometer is reading 5% over what it should that means you really drove 346.5 miles. 346.5miles over 9 gallons of gas means 38.5 MPG lol thats almost a half mile per gallon difference. its not too off.
__________________ A little engine screaming its head off is a lot more exciting than a big engine going slowly, you know at lease it is to me. Cause of this thing you have to wring every last bit of power out of it, and that’s where the fun comes. You know going quickly in a slow car is actually more fun than going fast in a fast car, cause anyone can go fast in a fast car when you take a car that is essentially not so powerful and make it do things that it’s not suppose to do that’s where the fun is. - Jay Leno
After reading this thread yesterday, I double checked my Odometer and Speedometer with a GPS unit. Both came came out exactly correct. My 2008 Base MT was ordered in June of this year.
honda has always been off on the miles and speed.. I have had a 98 and a 2k civic both of wich read 87ish when traveling 80.. with stock tires on them.I think its a scheme to get a lil more milage out of the vehicle... I am very happy with my fit nd the 38mpg i am pulling.. I dont beat on it but i dont baby it either. The warranty thing was never an issue because i was well over 36k whe i had any problems. I think my 2k was @ 130 and the only thing i replaced becides plugs wires and oil was the A/C.. My 98 got a heart transplant @ 50k from an ITR doner in japan so its not as honest... Even with the new trans in the civic with the swap speedo was always a few mph off
After reading this thread yesterday, I double checked my Odometer and Speedometer with a GPS unit. Both came came out exactly correct. My 2008 Base MT was ordered in June of this year.
How do you do this? I think my '08 is registering miles too quickly, just from the few I've driven.
For example, the dealer said the odo when it left their shop was 1030. When I got it in Houston, after being loaded and unloaded off a truck, it read 1039. Unless the driver got it off the truck and drove it around, those miles came between the dealer lot and where the truck driver parked his car, and I can't imagine a truck driver needing to park 9 MILES away from the lot.
I want to check. We have an older Magellen GPS. I guess you just drive with the GPS on and check the miles driven with the car? Duh.
I have a simple handheld Garmin GPS unit which I turn on and place on the dash (for better reception) when I'm on a fairly empty highway when few stops or speed changes are anticipated. (Diverting your attention with this process is also safer when there are few cars around.) The GPS itself has a "Odometer" function, which I reset to zero. Looking at the Car's speedometer, I try to drive as close to a set speed as possible (usually 60 MPH) and then see if the GPS agrees. I also match the distance covered according the the Car's Odometer vs. the GPS's. I perform this test on fairly long drives, so the accuracy is greater. That's all there is to it.
Given the fact that the GPS and car are measuring speed somewhat differently, the two will not agree exactly at all times, but on average, will come very close. The the Odometer readings are very similar as well. I've done this three times now on 10 mile stretches of freeway, and only one time has the result has ever been as much 2/10ths of a mile off (and that can be attributed to rounding.) The other two times it was dead-on.
Interesting.... we have the same problem with the Yaris, at least with the speedometer (shows about 5% faster compared to GPS/radar detector). On one hand it lets people stay under the speed limit, on the other hand it makes mileage and performance look better, not to mention warranties. But, we have not yet figured out if this discrepancy also affects the odometer...
The speedometer thing is often normal -- imagine the lawsuits if it read low. That does not mean the odo is affected necessarily. Measure the odo if you want to know about the odo.
So did anyone have any major repairs between 36000 and 37350 miles (3.75%)? I am actually within that range right now. Never been to the Honda dealer...
I have a simple handheld Garmin GPS unit which I turn on and place on the dash (for better reception) when I'm on a fairly empty highway when few stops or speed changes are anticipated. (Diverting your attention with this process is also safer when there are few cars around.) The GPS itself has a "Odometer" function, which I reset to zero. Looking at the Car's speedometer, I try to drive as close to a set speed as possible (usually 60 MPH) and then see if the GPS agrees. I also match the distance covered according the the Car's Odometer vs. the GPS's. I perform this test on fairly long drives, so the accuracy is greater. That's all there is to it.
Given the fact that the GPS and car are measuring speed somewhat differently, the two will not agree exactly at all times, but on average, will come very close. The the Odometer readings are very similar as well. I've done this three times now on 10 mile stretches of freeway, and only one time has the result has ever been as much 2/10ths of a mile off (and that can be attributed to rounding.) The other two times it was dead-on.
So it won't work well on a city street? Wondering why, if so.
This is my first car with a digital odometer (yep, I'm OLD) and it seems to be advancing pretty quickly. A mile seems to go by very quickly, and my gas tank is also going down. Of course I know it's a small tank...so...But almost 100 miles from just driving one day (yesterday I was sick with a headache and didn't move it from the driveway) and half the day today doesn't seem possible...I don't know, maybe I'm crazy. I'll get my kid to help me test it on the freeway - around here if you get distracted you're likely to die.
... This is my first car with a digital odometer (yep, I'm OLD) and it seems to be advancing pretty quickly. A mile seems to go by very quickly, and my gas tank is also going down. Of course I know it's a small tank...so...But almost 100 miles from just driving one day (yesterday I was sick with a headache and didn't move it from the driveway) and half the day today doesn't seem possible...I don't know, maybe I'm crazy. I'll get my kid to help me test it ...
Sounds like someone may already be helping you test it!
Did Honda ever correct or will correct this problem in more recently made cars? I just purchased my Fit this week.
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If you purchased after 7 November 2006 you are not included in the class action suit. My Fit was purchased in June 2007 and it's speedometer is dead on with my GPS!
I have an Edge Evolution on my GMC and can adjust the speedometer for changes in tire size and rear gear ratios. I could technically extend my warranty my tricking the truck into thinking it has much taller tires and a higher gear ratio than it actually does. Of course my speedometer would be way off, and probably cause me to get too many speeding tickets, so the disadvantage would far out weigh any advantage!
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Paul...
2007 Taffta White Fit Sport
2008 Taffta White CRV EX-L
2007 Taffta White GMC Sierra
We like White!
Sounds like someone may already be helping you test it!
Yeah, my brainiac son told me, "Mom, 1/10 of a mile is about 500 feet, so yeah, it's gonna look like it's going up fast!"
What a smart aleck! I'm just not used to seeing the bright digital readout. It's probably fine, but the next time we're on the freeway (which is never free to move) we'll test it anyway.
"So it won't work well on a city street? Wondering why, if so."
First off, it is a lot safter to be fiddling around with a GPS unit while driving when there are few cars and stops to contend with. Second, it is easier to maintain a constant speed to check the speedometer comparison in an open highway.
Finally, I also assumed that frequent turning would throw the GPS vs. Car ODO off. The GPS updates every second or two, and a turn might lead to "cutting corners" on the GPS mileage calculations making the GPS computed path shorter. If, for instance, you DRIVE on a cartesian grid from 1,0 to 1,1 to 0,1, you go 2 "units of distance. If the GPS only updates when you're sitting on 1,0 and 0,1, however, it will register the square root of 2 units of distance.
Finally, I also assumed that frequent turning would throw the GPS vs. Car ODO off. The GPS updates every second or two, and a turn might lead to "cutting corners" on the GPS mileage calculations making the GPS computed path shorter. If, for instance, you DRIVE on a cartesian grid from 1,0 to 1,1 to 0,1, you go 2 "units of distance. If the GPS only updates when you're sitting on 1,0 and 0,1, however, it will register the square root of 2 units of distance.
I have no clue what you just wrote, but I do know that if I don't have a destination set in my GPS, and just have it on, it shows the speed of the vehicle in the lower right hand corner. And, when I'm driving down the road and my speedometer is reading a steady 45 mph, so is the GPS! That's good enough for me!
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Paul...
2007 Taffta White Fit Sport
2008 Taffta White CRV EX-L
2007 Taffta White GMC Sierra
We like White!
I will check mine Monday morning; as I'm driving 410 miles almost all on interstate. Just the around town checking against my Garmin GPSmap60 shows the odo to read substantially high. I'm not impressed; the mechanical odo on my 92 Miata only read a tenth of a mile high in each 100 mi---
Tom
According to my GPS, my odometer reads 1.64 miles high per 100 miles. In contrast, the (mechanical) odometer on my 92 Miata only reads 0.1 miles high in 100 miles. Your speedometer accuracy does not translate to similar odometer accuracy or vice versa: while the Fit's odo is way off, the speedo is dead on at highway speeds. OTOH, the Miata's speedo reads 4 mph high at 70 mph while it's odo is pretty accurate.
Tom
According to my GPS, my odometer reads 1.64 miles high per 100 miles. In contrast, the (mechanical) odometer on my 92 Miata only reads 0.1 miles high in 100 miles. Your speedometer accuracy does not translate to similar odometer accuracy or vice versa: while the Fit's odo is way off, the speedo is dead on at highway speeds. OTOH, the Miata's speedo reads 4 mph high at 70 mph while it's odo is pretty accurate.
Tom
If you have an optimistic odometer and you are outside the class action suit, contact Honda customer relations, complain and keep detailed records of your complaints. This is my course of action as an uncovered Canadian. Canadian Class Action has been started; Hooray!
Check your odometer accuracy using a GPS on a straight stretch of road where you can safely pull over at the beginning and end of the test run. Modern GPS will give accuracy of about 50ft and determine if your odometer is out by more than 0.1% in less than 10 miles.
Read the class action settlement carefully; it will tell you if you are covered. If your odometer is accurate, you have no problem.
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I'm expecting to get my Fit next week. Since the Honda Odometer Class Action web page states:
If you bought or leased a model year 2002 through 2006 Honda or Acura automobile or a model year 2007 Honda Fit, in the United States or its territories, between April 13, 2002 and November 7, 2006, you may be entitled to receive benefits under a class action settlement.
Do you think it would be safe to assume that this Odometer variance issue has been resolved?
I'm just not used to seeing the bright digital readout. It's probably fine, but the next time we're on the freeway (which is never free to move) we'll test it anyway.
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