General Fit TalkGeneral Discussion on the Honda Fit/Jazz.
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In response to your mileage claim for the Fit in Europe, it should be noted that the numbers you state are for imperial gallons. Converted to U.S. gallons your average mileage is not 45 MPG it is really on 38 MPG (per U.S. Gallon). Still njot bad for an auto tranny.
Well, I’m not sure you are responding to my tread, since I did nowhere mention about 45 mpg.
Anyway I did convert the figures according the factors found in following page.
For flat, terrain which Toronto streets are I have no quams. I have a DX 5sp Auto. The thing leaps off the line and gets up to speed quicker than expected -- seriously. It's hilarious I was thinking was going to be getting Corolla performance.
1. Double clutching has been useless for decades on everything but 18 wheelers. If you're thinking of heel-toe shifting, that's entirely different.
not entirely true. dropping 2 or more gears should be double-clutched if you have a fairly weighty drivetrain. it spares your synchros from a good deal of abuse. double clutching a fit, since it drives (for all intents and purposes) one wheel, is more a matter of convenience.
also, in many cars now you will have to dbl clutch into first. i'd rather not go into a long drawn out treatice on why, but just know that you do . this is especially critical with all the hondas i have driven/owned. bimmers can usually downshift into first while moving without much trouble if you revmatch properly, but honda transmissions just need everything moving before it slids in nice and comfy.
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2. CVTs basically stink for everything but economy driving.
damn them!
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3. The shift actuation method is completely and wholly irrelevant to shifting performance. It doesn't matter if you are hitting paddles, moving a lever, stepping on a button, or yelling "shift" into a microphone. Your shifting performance comes from the shift mechanism, and a clutch is going to trounce any torque converter sold in a consumer car. Hydro-electric clutches and DSGs are of course a different story.
never speak in absolutes in a situation with so very many possibilities.
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4. No one complained about DBW on the NSX in 1989 did they? How is the new S2000? When you're talking about results, the technology is used is irrelevant compared to the implementation quality. DBW works well and is fairly responsive on the Fit.
my sti's dbw reacts better than a cable-driven tb. the dbw on the ford f150 and on the mustang gt both have a significant amount of lag. people have measured nearly a second of lag on the mustang. some tuning should help this, but yeesh...that's horrible.
audi a6 has over one second of dbw lag. why do you think people distrust dbw in economy cars? it's because dbw in more expensive cars has let so many people down already. thankfully i haven't noticed any lag in the fits i've driven.
on the mt/at debacle that went on/is going on: i'm a mt fan till the end. then again i shave with a straight razor and can pass for sasquatch while nude, so i'm just about the damn pinnacle of manliness *bites a cows ass off and swallers it whole*
not entirely true. dropping 2 or more gears should be double-clutched if you have a fairly weighty drivetrain. it spares your synchros from a good deal of abuse. double clutching a fit, since it drives (for all intents and purposes) one wheel, is more a matter of convenience.
also, in many cars now you will have to dbl clutch into first. i'd rather not go into a long drawn out treatice on why, but just know that you do . this is especially critical with all the hondas i have driven/owned. bimmers can usually downshift into first while moving without much trouble if you revmatch properly, but honda transmissions just need everything moving before it slids in nice and comfy.
This is true, and in fact I do double clutch under certain circumstances, but the greater context here was performance driving and double clutching is pretty worthless there. If you're dropping two gears at once, driving with a cold transmission, or worrying about your syncros while hunting for good lap times, you're doing something wrong.
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damn them!
never speak in absolutes in a situation with so very many possibilities.
That is a good recipe for being wrong but not in this case. Modern gear selection mechanisms simply aren't the bottleneck in shifting performance, the mechanics behind the actual change are.
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my sti's dbw reacts better than a cable-driven tb. the dbw on the ford f150 and on the mustang gt both have a significant amount of lag. people have measured nearly a second of lag on the mustang. some tuning should help this, but yeesh...that's horrible.
audi a6 has over one second of dbw lag. why do you think people distrust dbw in economy cars? it's because dbw in more expensive cars has let so many people down already. thankfully i haven't noticed any lag in the fits i've driven.
Right, all I'm trying to say here is that the implementation alone should be evaluated, not the name of the technology or the cost of the car. There's going to be good and bad implementations of most designs and technologies; that doesn't make the design or technology itself bad as a whole.
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on the mt/at debacle that went on/is going on: i'm a mt fan till the end. then again i shave with a straight razor and can pass for sasquatch while nude, so i'm just about the damn pinnacle of manliness *bites a cows ass off and swallers it whole*
After reading many seemingly very different reports on fuel mileage i think part of the problem is tank filling.I just bought 08 Fit sport with AT.Left dealer with tank reading full.After 120 miles tank read about 1/2.I fueled up with nozzle held on lowest flow when getting near full
On starting out tank read a little over full and I drove 40 miles before it came down to full reading.This would make a big differance in ful mileage figures.I suspect the fuel flow at most service stations shuts off early on this car.Put the last of it in slowly to get tank full.40 miles is big diff.
Mack
CVT's are nothing new..Honda has been using then since early 80's at least.
My Helix is an '04, but was designed in '85 and it has a CVT. It works fine, never a problem, people are just scared to try new things they don't understand. Otherwise CVT would be more common in the US, but give us time.
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My Hondas:
'08 Fit Sport
'04 Helix
'75 400Four Super Sport
'75 ST90
'75 QA 50
'74 Trail 70
'71 Mini Trail 50
...there are a lot of great posts in this thread by members who don't even seem to exist anymore!
Well, the ones they wanted to speak the CVT dead already in the past, my have disappeared, because Honda didn’t give them right with the new released Fit!
For flat, terrain which Toronto streets are I have no quams. I have a DX 5sp Auto. The thing leaps off the line and gets up to speed quicker than expected -- seriously. It's hilarious I was thinking was going to be getting Corolla performance.
Does that mean you think it's faster than the Corolla?
I have an 06 Automatic Corolla and may be buying an '09 Manual Fit Sport. I love how the Fit has side airbags, ABS, power windows, etc... Way more than my Corolla has. Plus, the Corolla's suspension is so awful that it feels like I'm going to flip every time there's a turn on the freeway.
My biggest worry is going from a 126hp engine to a 118hp engine. This is because I've driven in a Toyota Yaris Automatic and it was SO UNBELIEVABLY SLOW. Will I have problems with the '09 Fit's smaller engine?
Great car. City and steady highway: 30-35 mpg. Hilly terrane with lots of coasting and minimum braking: 45+ mpg. Love the turbo-like power surge on regular gas (thanks V-Tec!) at 4,000+ rpm. So Cal's Angeles Crest Highway is a perfect drive for a Fit. A Mini Cooper S may be more fun to drive but has heavy expensive run flat tires, needs premium gas, is cramped, and tries too hard to be cute and trendy.
. this is especially critical with all the hondas i have driven/owned. bimmers can usually downshift into first while moving without much trouble if you revmatch properly, but honda transmissions just need everything moving before it slids in nice and comfy.
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