Aftermarket Brake Pads

#1 (**permalink**) 07-30-2005, 07:36 PM

I don't like the way my 2002 CR-V brakes feel - not enough "bite" to
the pedal even though the brakes work fine. But I don't know anything
about this (and many other) subjects. Would ceramic pads improve the
feel of the brake pedal without sacrificing performance?

strepto · #2 (**permalink**) 07-30-2005, 08:04 PM

Take a look at what www.ebcbrakes.com has to offer for your car. Affordable and good brakes. You'd want the Greenstuff brakepads, and maybe the TurboGroove discs.

Edit: Found this:

Front GreenStuff: DP 21655
Rear GreenStuff: DP 21193

Front Discs (TurboGroove): D1214

#3 (**permalink**) 07-30-2005, 09:49 PM

Ceramic impregnated pads are advertised to give better braking. As far
as I'm concerned... the jury is still out.

Professor
www.telstar-electronics.com

#4 (**permalink**) 07-30-2005, 10:41 PM

Buy OEM Honda pads.

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#5 (**permalink**) 08-02-2005, 10:30 AM

Has this problem recently started? How many miles do you have on your
CR-V? Has the dealer resurfaced your rotors and if so, how many times?
You may also want to check out how much thinkness is left on your
rotors as this could be a sign that you need to get new rotors.

Nick

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:01:31 GMT, #DavidB6061#@sbcglobal.net (DavidB)
wrote:

>I don't like the way my 2002 CR-V brakes feel - not enough "bite" to
>the pedal even though the brakes work fine. But I don't know anything
>about this (and many other) subjects. Would ceramic pads improve the
>feel of the brake pedal without sacrificing performance?

strepto · #6 (**permalink**) 08-02-2005, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Buy OEM Honda pads.

Why? Even the upgraded brakepads from EBC are cheaper then the OEM ones.

_karu_ · #7 (**permalink**) 08-02-2005, 10:53 AM

NO no no no no no..

EBC greenstuff --> sucked, POS

you guys have to read about it on many other forum.....forget about EBC..

A VERY GOOD COMBINATION:
-Hawk HPS brake pad
-Poweslot rotor

they make a very good combination....

there WAS a combination, namely Brembo Blank+AEM Nissin.
turns out...after quite a while....several vendor came out with a conclusion that brembo blank tends to crack after a certain use.......

_karu_ · #8 (**permalink**) 08-02-2005, 10:56 AM

Not very related to the topic....but here's a good information that I got from a very experienced member on my civic forum........

Provided by Zzyzx of 7thgencivic.com

heres a quick summary:

1. Cross drilled rotors DO NOTHING to improve braking or Reduceing Brake Fade.
2. Cryogenically Treating Rotors does nothing.
3. Changing the rear drums to Disks may actually Hinder braking.
4. Big Brake Kits in the front (Only) may also Hinder Braking.
5. Big brake kits can wreak havoc on ABS systems causing a measurable increase in stoping distance.
6. your tires may be the most important part of your braking system (After all you can only stop as quickly as your tires will let you).

#9 (**permalink**) 08-02-2005, 12:31 PM

<nospam@nospam.com> wrote
> > Buy OEM Honda pads.
>
> Why? Even the upgraded brakepads from EBC are cheaper then the OEM
> ones.

From reading here and elsewhere in the past year or so, the risk is that
non-OEM pads will reduce rotor life. E.g. harder non-OEM pads will reduce
rotor thickness more quickly than softer OEM ones.

OEM pads are not that expensive compared to "high quality" OEM ones.

I confess I have some expensive non-OEM pads on my 91 Civic now. But they
cost about the same as the OEM ones! In hindsight, I wish I'd bought OEM
ones. I monitor my brake pad and rotor thicknesses closely. So far so good.

#10 (**permalink**) 08-03-2005, 03:41 AM

nospam@nospam.com wrote:

> Not very related to the topic....but here's a good information that I
> got from a very experienced member on my civic forum........
>
> Provided by Zzyzx of 7thgencivic.com
>
> heres a quick summary:
>
> 1. Cross drilled rotors DO NOTHING to improve braking or Reduceing
> Brake Fade.

You should contact the Porsche research facility. They're apparently
unaware of this fact.

#11 (**permalink**) 08-03-2005, 03:41 AM

nospam@nospam.com wrote:
> Not very related to the topic....but here's a good information that I
> got from a very experienced member on my civic forum........
>
> Provided by Zzyzx of 7thgencivic.com
>
> heres a quick summary:
>
> 1. Cross drilled rotors DO NOTHING to improve braking or Reduceing
> Brake Fade.
> 2. Cryogenically Treating Rotors does nothing.
> 3. Changing the rear drums to Disks may actually Hinder braking.

only if the proportioning valve is not changed. and from what i can
gather from the number of "conversion kits" available that do not
include one, this seems to be the norm.

> 4. Big Brake Kits in the front (Only) may also Hinder Braking.

see above. any change in braking config requires the correct
proportioning valve.

> 5. Big brake kits can wreak havoc on ABS systems causing a measurable
> increase in stoping distance.
> 6. your tires may be the most important part of your braking system
> (After all you can only stop as quickly as your tires will let you).
>
>

strepto · #12 (**permalink**) 08-03-2005, 04:31 AM

Quote:

EBC greenstuff --> sucked, POS

You get what you pay for. The EBC greenstuff pads are totally OK for street use. Ive been using them on most of my cars and the car is sold and buildt, and its worth it for stock replacement. Nothing more. For track use i only use Endless pads.

Quote:

1. Cross drilled rotors DO NOTHING to improve braking or Reduceing Brake Fade.

Not true. The purpose of crossdrilling isn't to increase brake grip, its to cool the brakesystem and prevent overheating. If the brakesystem overheats it will reduce the brakeeffect and brakeresponse.

Quote:

2. Cryogenically Treating Rotors does nothing.

Also not true. Even tho its a waste of money, it does reduce pad and disc wear. I wouldn't say its nearly enough to actually bother doing it.

Quote:

3. Changing the rear drums to Disks may actually Hinder braking.

This is generalizing. In some cases yes, it may infact reduce braking because your brake booster and master cylinder isn't set up for it, and doesn't have the proper volume to compensate for the extra fluid pushed around.

Quote:

4. Big Brake Kits in the front (Only) may also Hinder Braking.

Same as above.

Quote:

5. Big brake kits can wreak havoc on ABS systems causing a measurable increase in stoping distance.

This is true! The problem isnt the bigbrakes, its the ABS. ABS in general reduces the stopping power of the brakesystem, but improves handling when braking. Track guys disable or remove ABS for this purpose.

Quote:

6. your tires may be the most important part of your braking system (After all you can only stop as quickly as your tires will let you).

Also true! The tires are 40 percent of the brakesystem. You can have the best brakesystem in the world, and it wont matter a bit if you dont have the tires to support it.

_karu_ · #13 (**permalink**) 08-03-2005, 09:53 AM

^nice responce....

Maybe I should ask the guy who posted those points again regarding your reply...im also curious about the truth of those points..

btw, in what car are you using the EBC greenstuff?

I apologize firsthand about it first....my opinion is more the fact we're facing when they're installed on 7thgencivic......they just sucked...making many problems.....