1990 Civic left rear wheel bearing?

I got a call this afternoon from a friend who says he has a
"rumbling" noise from the left rear tire area. My first guess
was wheel bearing. He says when he turns right the noise goes
away. And that it wasn't noticable except on WET roads.

Could this be tire cupping?

I plan on going over Saturday afternoon and swaping left front
with left rear and see, or hear what happens.

This frined took early medical retirement and is fighting
the SS office so he is pretty tight moeny wise.

Before I even think about changing the wheel bearing what am
I thinking about getting into?

I am afriad of the no good deed goes unpunished sequence.

Looking at the manual I see that I will have:
unstake the nut
remove the nut
remove the hub

Am I understanding that the bearing is permantly attached
to the hub?

replace the hub
replace the nut with a NEW on
restake nut

Is that it or does the brake assembly have to be removed?


Terry

r2000swler@hotmail.com wrote:
> I got a call this afternoon from a friend who says he has a
> "rumbling" noise from the left rear tire area. My first guess
> was wheel bearing. He says when he turns right the noise goes
> away. And that it wasn't noticable except on WET roads.
>
> Could this be tire cupping?
>
> I plan on going over Saturday afternoon and swaping left front
> with left rear and see, or hear what happens.
>
> This frined took early medical retirement and is fighting
> the SS office so he is pretty tight moeny wise.
>
> Before I even think about changing the wheel bearing what am
> I thinking about getting into?
>
> I am afriad of the no good deed goes unpunished sequence.
>
> Looking at the manual I see that I will have:
> unstake the nut
> remove the nut
> remove the hub
>
> Am I understanding that the bearing is permantly attached
> to the hub?
>
> replace the hub
> replace the nut with a NEW on
> restake nut
>
> Is that it or does the brake assembly have to be removed?
>
>
> Terry
>

so, your friend tells you what they think it is, then you tell us what
you think your friend thinks it is? that's not a recipe for successful
diagnostics.

go check the car out personally, then report back.

r2000swler@hotmail.com wrote in
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> I got a call this afternoon from a friend who says he has a
> "rumbling" noise from the left rear tire area. My first guess
> was wheel bearing. He says when he turns right the noise goes
> away. And that it wasn't noticable except on WET roads.
>
> Could this be tire cupping?


If it's only noticeable on wet roads, it's unlikely to be the wheel
bearing. A wheel bearing would be independent of road moisture.

Tires make some really weird noises when they wear oddly.


>
> I plan on going over Saturday afternoon and swaping left front
> with left rear and see, or hear what happens.


Excellent idea.


>
> This frined took early medical retirement and is fighting
> the SS office so he is pretty tight moeny wise.
>
> Before I even think about changing the wheel bearing what am
> I thinking about getting into?
>
> I am afriad of the no good deed goes unpunished sequence.
>
> Looking at the manual I see that I will have:
> unstake the nut
> remove the nut
> remove the hub
>
> Am I understanding that the bearing is permantly attached
> to the hub?


The bearing is pressed into the hub, just like the front. You need a
big-ass press to squeeze the thing out of there. You can remove the
trailing arm then take that to a machine shop to get the hub bearing
replaced. That's easy enough except for the rust.

I don't think it's the bearing though. The rear wheel bearings are well
protected from the elements and rarely go bad, unlike the fronts...


>
> replace the hub
> replace the nut with a NEW on
> restake nut
>
> Is that it or does the brake assembly have to be removed?


Removing the brake is the least of your worries. That's easy.


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snip

Removing the brake is the least of your worries. That's easy.

TeGGeR®
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You are starting to scare me.

Terry

r2000swler@hotmail.com wrote in
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> TeGGeR® wrote:
> snip
>
> Removing the brake is the least of your worries. That's easy.
>
> TeGGeR®
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> You are starting to scare me.
>
> Terry
>


Halloween is *next* month. BOO!


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TeGGeR:
Is the nut going to be THAT hard to remove?
Is this like the never damned enough timing belt nut?
That was a real PITA!

Terry

r2000swler@hotmail.com wrote in
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> TeGGeR:
> Is the nut going to be THAT hard to remove?
> Is this like the never damned enough timing belt nut?
> That was a real PITA!
>


Actually, it won't be. I just checked my manual and have discovered that
you do NOT /necessarily/ need a press (sorry about that) to remove the old
bearing.

The staked nut is torqued to 134 ft-lbs, so would be easily shifted by a
250ft-lb DeWalt electric impact gun as cheaply rented by most industrial
supply houses.

DON'T remove the nut at the BACK of the trailing arm!

The hub bearing itself is pressed into the hub. I do not now know the price
difference between the bearing alone and the hub/bearing assembly.

This extract is specifically for the '92-'95 Civic with disc brakes, but
ought to be applicable to your '90 with drums or discs.
http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/...ub_bearing.pdf


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TeGGeR® wrote:
> r2000swler@hotmail.com wrote in
> news:1126923887.057866.171100@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com:
>
>
>>TeGGeR:
>>Is the nut going to be THAT hard to remove?
>>Is this like the never damned enough timing belt nut?
>>That was a real PITA!
>>
>
>
>
> Actually, it won't be. I just checked my manual and have discovered that
> you do NOT /necessarily/ need a press (sorry about that) to remove the old
> bearing.
>
> The staked nut is torqued to 134 ft-lbs, so would be easily shifted by a
> 250ft-lb DeWalt electric impact gun as cheaply rented by most industrial
> supply houses.

easily shifted by a 1/2" breaker bar too!

>
> DON'T remove the nut at the BACK of the trailing arm!
>
> The hub bearing itself is pressed into the hub. I do not now know the price
> difference between the bearing alone and the hub/bearing assembly.

honda won't sell you the bearing alone, just the assembly, which is
interesting given that they'll happily sell other bearings on their own.
i think this means there's no convenient way to extract the races
from the hub once pressed in.

>
> This extract is specifically for the '92-'95 Civic with disc brakes, but
> ought to be applicable to your '90 with drums or discs.
> http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/...ub_bearing.pdf
>
>

Thanks for the link.
I am trying to get my ducks in a row before I do anything other
then swap tires.

Terry

jim beam wrote:

easily shifted by a 1/2" breaker bar too!


honda won't sell you the bearing alone, just the assembly, which is
interesting given that they'll happily sell other bearings on their
own.
i think this means there's no convenient way to extract the races
from the hub once pressed in.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Thanks for the information.
I want to know what would be involved IF I decide to be
helpfull/foolish
and agree to help him change the bearing/hub.

Terry

I left one step out.
The brake drum has to be reoved first.
This isn't going to be fun.

Terry

Is the staked nut the one on the outside of the hub?
I have disc brakes in my 94 civic.
134ft lbs when I reassemble?
I had to grind off the old bearing race on the axle stub.


"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> r2000swler@hotmail.com wrote in
> news:1126923887.057866.171100@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com:
>
>> TeGGeR:
>> Is the nut going to be THAT hard to remove?
>> Is this like the never damned enough timing belt nut?
>> That was a real PITA!
>>
>
>
> Actually, it won't be. I just checked my manual and have discovered that
> you do NOT /necessarily/ need a press (sorry about that) to remove the old
> bearing.
>
> The staked nut is torqued to 134 ft-lbs, so would be easily shifted by a
> 250ft-lb DeWalt electric impact gun as cheaply rented by most industrial
> supply houses.
>
> DON'T remove the nut at the BACK of the trailing arm!
>
> The hub bearing itself is pressed into the hub. I do not now know the
> price
> difference between the bearing alone and the hub/bearing assembly.
>
> This extract is specifically for the '92-'95 Civic with disc brakes, but
> ought to be applicable to your '90 with drums or discs.
> http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/...ub_bearing.pdf
>
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

"Rocky" <jcadellano.spam@optonline.net> wrote in
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> Is the staked nut the one on the outside of the hub?


Yes. The one on the back face of the trailing arm holds the spindle to the
trailing arm.


> I have disc brakes in my 94 civic.


Same procedure.


> 134ft lbs when I reassemble?


Yes. Then stake.


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