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A recent report done by U.S. News & World Report puts the Fit at #3 of the Best small cars.:hyper: :hyper: Only being beaten out by her two big brothers the Civic :) and the Civic Hybrid:mad: . Personally, I disagree about the Hybrid; I think it's a waste of money.
To me its werid seeing a mazda 3 beating the scion xb. Now i dont like either of these cars. Although i use to sell cars at a local mazda dealership and by no means would i say the 3 is better than the xb and nor should it be in the same class wth was yahoo thinking?
Why? Are you missing the point? Is a hybrid... for the environment :D:D
But yeah, glad the fits up there!
I'm not missing the point at all.
Granted the Civic Hybrid gets the AT-PZEV(Advanced Technology Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle) emissions rating, but the Civic gets the ULEV-2(Ultra Low Emission Vehicle) emissions rating. But, considering what it takes to get the nickel for the batteries they use, like the acid rain and all. I'd say that a hybrid is worse for the environment.
Oh, and if you think you're saving you money...(I've posted this before)
This doesn't include tax and license. It does not include maintenance costs like the hybrid battery replacement, which I believe is at 100,000 miles.
Civic sedan base model: $15,010 Top MPG 34/highway
12,000 miles/year = 352.9 gallons of fuel @ $4.00/gallon Total cost $1411.76
Civic Hybrid base: $22,600 Top MPG 45/highway
12,000 miles/year = 266.67 gallons of fuel @ $4.00/gallon Total cost $1066.67
That's a savings of $345.09/year. The cost difference between the two vehicles is $7,590. So, you don't really SAVE money until you've made up the cost difference between the two models, which will take approximately 22 years.
I'm not missing the point at all.
Granted the Civic Hybrid gets the AT-PZEV(Advanced Technology Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle) emissions rating, but the Civic gets the ULEV-2(Ultra Low Emission Vehicle) emissions rating. But, considering what it takes to get the nickel for the batteries they use, like the acid rain and all. I'd say that a hybrid is worse for the environment.
Oh, and if you think you're saving you money...(I've posted this before)
This doesn't include tax and license. It does not include maintenance costs like the hybrid battery replacement, which I believe is at 100,000 miles.
Civic sedan base model: $15,010 Top MPG 34/highway
12,000 miles/year = 352.9 gallons of fuel @ $4.00/gallon Total cost $1411.76
Civic Hybrid base: $22,600 Top MPG 45/highway
12,000 miles/year = 266.67 gallons of fuel @ $4.00/gallon Total cost $1066.67
That's a savings of $345.09/year. The cost difference between the two vehicles is $7,590. So, you don't really SAVE money until you've made up the cost difference between the two models, which will take approximately 22 years.
Sorry I didn't mean it to sound like I was attacking you. I wasn't, I just didn't see the logic until now. Good point, though.
But the problem now is the cost of oil and the means by which the US gets the oil. Sometimes it's more than just the money. The less oil we consume, the less demand there will be, and the less we'll fund other countries.
For example if we slowly switch to hybrids->electric/hydrogen powered cars, that money that goes to other hostile countries for oil will be back in US pockets and our economy will get a hell of a lot better then it has been.
We need just change more than anything right now, even if it does mean spending a little bit more money
yea i'm agreeing with seiko.. Its been pretty clear that a hybrid, purely financially.. doesnt make that much sense.. but why does doing what is better for the environment always have to have some type of financial incentive?
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I'm not missing the point at all.
Granted the Civic Hybrid gets the AT-PZEV(Advanced Technology Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle) emissions rating, but the Civic gets the ULEV-2(Ultra Low Emission Vehicle) emissions rating. But, considering what it takes to get the nickel for the batteries they use, like the acid rain and all. I'd say that a hybrid is worse for the environment.
Oh, and if you think you're saving you money...(I've posted this before)
This doesn't include tax and license. It does not include maintenance costs like the hybrid battery replacement, which I believe is at 100,000 miles.
Civic sedan base model: $15,010 Top MPG 34/highway
12,000 miles/year = 352.9 gallons of fuel @ $4.00/gallon Total cost $1411.76
Civic Hybrid base: $22,600 Top MPG 45/highway
12,000 miles/year = 266.67 gallons of fuel @ $4.00/gallon Total cost $1066.67
That's a savings of $345.09/year. The cost difference between the two vehicles is $7,590. So, you don't really SAVE money until you've made up the cost difference between the two models, which will take approximately 22 years.
The next Honda hybrid is supposed to be out next year, and cost about $18,000-$19,000. I believe it will be called the Insight.
[quote=Flyin172s;391356]A recent report done by U.S. News & World Report puts the Fit at #3 of the Best small cars.:hyper: :hyper: Only being beaten out by her two big brothers the Civic :) and the Civic Hybrid:mad: . Personally, I disagree about the Hybrid; I think it's a waste of money.[quote]
you might want to look at that again. they may have bumped the fit up a notch on the list. when i checked the fit was in second place (IMO that B.S.- FIT FT-#1-W!)
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Last edited by wontfit; 08-11-2008 at 09:45 PM.
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Yes you are missing the point. The report is not about which cars are the most affordable to own. It is which are the best and worst of the economy cars. If it was the former, then the Chevrolet Aveo would be near the top of the list.
Hybrid vehicles aren't the cheapest vehicles and I don't think anyone is disputing that. And don't go around flinging around environmental accusations unless you fully understand the arguments behind them. However, hybrids are some of the nicest vehicles to own. I'm insulted that the Fit got to bump the Civic Hybrid because the Hybrid is the better car by a wide margin. It's better than the regular Civic.
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