2015 fuel injection issue: should I keep or trade?
2015 fuel injection issue: should I keep or trade?
After learning a lot here over years I have joined to ask for help... I gave my 2009 5 speed to my daughter, who cherishes it, and bought a 2015 6 speed, one of the first out of the Mexican factory. The 2015 is my 8th Honda and why would I expect anything but reliability? Well, at only 50k miles the dreaded warning light cluster is on - check engine, tire, steering, traction. My mechanic replaced the ignition coil on a misfiring cylinder but the lights returned so the car is going to dealer service and I anticipate learning the fuel injection system needs replacing.
Naturally, the 5 year powertrain warranty expired two months ago, but dealer service says Honda has extended repairs for this specific issue to 7 years/80k miles so the repair should be covered. Has anyone else heard this and had the fuel injection system replaced under the extended warranty?
My dilemma is whether to keep the car once repaired. I'm tempted to trade it for a Japanese-made 2nd or 3rd generation low-mileage Fit. I just missed out on a 2012 with 11k miles and am looking now at a 2017 EX with 8k. These sadly are automatics. I've always owned manuals, though I've driven many rental automatics and even enjoyed driving an automatic right hand 2016 Fit during a year I was stationed in England. I'm not sure I want to give up the less reliable manual for the hope of a more reliable lower-mileage automatic. However, I'm a 65-year-old woman who needs to take care of herself and others and having a trustworthy vehicle is critical. I've lost my faith in this particular car - it has also needed a battery and brake rotors cut at what felt like too-early intervals - but will the Japanese-built 2017 restore my trust? At the price of the trade-in difference and manual transmission?
Naturally, the 5 year powertrain warranty expired two months ago, but dealer service says Honda has extended repairs for this specific issue to 7 years/80k miles so the repair should be covered. Has anyone else heard this and had the fuel injection system replaced under the extended warranty?
My dilemma is whether to keep the car once repaired. I'm tempted to trade it for a Japanese-made 2nd or 3rd generation low-mileage Fit. I just missed out on a 2012 with 11k miles and am looking now at a 2017 EX with 8k. These sadly are automatics. I've always owned manuals, though I've driven many rental automatics and even enjoyed driving an automatic right hand 2016 Fit during a year I was stationed in England. I'm not sure I want to give up the less reliable manual for the hope of a more reliable lower-mileage automatic. However, I'm a 65-year-old woman who needs to take care of herself and others and having a trustworthy vehicle is critical. I've lost my faith in this particular car - it has also needed a battery and brake rotors cut at what felt like too-early intervals - but will the Japanese-built 2017 restore my trust? At the price of the trade-in difference and manual transmission?
I've got a Japan manufactured 2017 cvt and it's been great. But I'm a diesel mechanic and obsessed with preventative maintenance on my vehicle, so I change oil and oil filter every 3,000mi at the most with Mobil 1 extended performance oil & wix filter, air filter every 6 months. Also installed an oil catch can. Understandable if what I do and have done is not what you want to do though. I bought it at ~28kmi and instantly made changes, changed all the fluids and filters. It's a strong car.
Welcome. Known issues on the GK5 are:
1. Injector / rail assembly, as you're experiencing.
2. Starter failure, especially on pushbutton start models. Both the starter and the starter switch are suspect, and when one goes, it's usually ascribed to the other. Starter is a ~$700 replacement. Doesn't seem to affect the key start models the same way.
3. VTC actuator failure. Makes a horrible grinding noise on cold startup, but doesn't adversely affect anything else. Some here are having theirs replaced under warranty if applicable. My '16 LX does this. I can live with it.
4. Door leaks & sunroof integrity issues on the mid-cycle refresh. Still haven't been resolved.
So all else being equal, if the injectors are replaced under warranty, the major repair remaining might be the starter. I'd keep the car if you didn't have to pay for the injectors.
1. Injector / rail assembly, as you're experiencing.
2. Starter failure, especially on pushbutton start models. Both the starter and the starter switch are suspect, and when one goes, it's usually ascribed to the other. Starter is a ~$700 replacement. Doesn't seem to affect the key start models the same way.
3. VTC actuator failure. Makes a horrible grinding noise on cold startup, but doesn't adversely affect anything else. Some here are having theirs replaced under warranty if applicable. My '16 LX does this. I can live with it.
4. Door leaks & sunroof integrity issues on the mid-cycle refresh. Still haven't been resolved.
So all else being equal, if the injectors are replaced under warranty, the major repair remaining might be the starter. I'd keep the car if you didn't have to pay for the injectors.
Thanks very much for answers so far. If I could trade for a Toyota like my late mom's 1991 Camry which she drove for 20 years, I would... and I can't afford a Subaru, nor do I want or need a larger heavier car. The 2017 EX CVT I'm considering trading for has a keyless starter so I should factor that into the decision. Tomorrow I'll get the dealer service dept. diagnosis and final word on the warranty extension, which was surprising to hear. I actually called the dealer from whom I bought the car before making an appointment with a different dealer. Dealer 1 said out of warranty, too bad, they were curt and rude. I'm really curious whether anyone else has heard of a 7 year/80k extension for fuel injection issues.
I too am thinking today that it might make sense to keep the car if the repair is covered.
My mechanic changes oil and filter for me every 3-5000 miles, same as all my prior Hondas going back to 1978. Never ever had a mechanical problem until now.
It occurs to me that my driving habits changed, though, with this particular car. I used to drive 15-20k miles yearly, short commutes and occasional long (500-1000 mile) trips. This car sat for much of 2016 while I was out of the country and has hardly been driven since lockdown in March. Did I inadvertently jeopardize the engine by NOT driving it?
I too am thinking today that it might make sense to keep the car if the repair is covered.
My mechanic changes oil and filter for me every 3-5000 miles, same as all my prior Hondas going back to 1978. Never ever had a mechanical problem until now.
It occurs to me that my driving habits changed, though, with this particular car. I used to drive 15-20k miles yearly, short commutes and occasional long (500-1000 mile) trips. This car sat for much of 2016 while I was out of the country and has hardly been driven since lockdown in March. Did I inadvertently jeopardize the engine by NOT driving it?
Naturally, the 5 year powertrain warranty expired two months ago, but dealer service says Honda has extended repairs for this specific issue to 7 years/80k miles so the repair should be covered. Has anyone else heard this and had the fuel injection system replaced under the extended warranty?
The GK5 Fit engine runs on full synthetic oil. Previous generations ran on regular oil. The GK5 Fit doesn't need changes at 3-5K like previous generations did. For me, it's more like 8-10K between changes. Use the % left in the Maintenance Minder to determine your oil status.
After learning a lot here over years I have joined to ask for help... I gave my 2009 5 speed to my daughter, who cherishes it, and bought a 2015 6 speed, one of the first out of the Mexican factory. The 2015 is my 8th Honda and why would I expect anything but reliability? Well, at only 50k miles the dreaded warning light cluster is on - check engine, tire, steering, traction. My mechanic replaced the ignition coil on a misfiring cylinder but the lights returned so the car is going to dealer service and I anticipate learning the fuel injection system needs replacing.
Naturally, the 5 year powertrain warranty expired two months ago, but dealer service says Honda has extended repairs for this specific issue to 7 years/80k miles so the repair should be covered. Has anyone else heard this and had the fuel injection system replaced under the extended warranty?
My dilemma is whether to keep the car once repaired. I'm tempted to trade it for a Japanese-made 2nd or 3rd generation low-mileage Fit. I just missed out on a 2012 with 11k miles and am looking now at a 2017 EX with 8k. These sadly are automatics. I've always owned manuals, though I've driven many rental automatics and even enjoyed driving an automatic right hand 2016 Fit during a year I was stationed in England. I'm not sure I want to give up the less reliable manual for the hope of a more reliable lower-mileage automatic. However, I'm a 65-year-old woman who needs to take care of herself and others and having a trustworthy vehicle is critical. I've lost my faith in this particular car - it has also needed a battery and brake rotors cut at what felt like too-early intervals - but will the Japanese-built 2017 restore my trust? At the price of the trade-in difference and manual transmission?
Naturally, the 5 year powertrain warranty expired two months ago, but dealer service says Honda has extended repairs for this specific issue to 7 years/80k miles so the repair should be covered. Has anyone else heard this and had the fuel injection system replaced under the extended warranty?
My dilemma is whether to keep the car once repaired. I'm tempted to trade it for a Japanese-made 2nd or 3rd generation low-mileage Fit. I just missed out on a 2012 with 11k miles and am looking now at a 2017 EX with 8k. These sadly are automatics. I've always owned manuals, though I've driven many rental automatics and even enjoyed driving an automatic right hand 2016 Fit during a year I was stationed in England. I'm not sure I want to give up the less reliable manual for the hope of a more reliable lower-mileage automatic. However, I'm a 65-year-old woman who needs to take care of herself and others and having a trustworthy vehicle is critical. I've lost my faith in this particular car - it has also needed a battery and brake rotors cut at what felt like too-early intervals - but will the Japanese-built 2017 restore my trust? At the price of the trade-in difference and manual transmission?
Last edited by wasserball; Oct 28, 2020 at 04:50 PM.
Update: fuel injection system covered under extended warranty
I'm updating in case others are facing fuel injection system replacement and to thank the above members for their advice. My 2015 manual transmission LX has been repaired by a local dealer service, at no charge. Though the car is a couple months past its 60k/5 year warranty, this dealer told me Honda is extending it "on a case by case basis, kind of like a recall but not quite." The fuel injection system and related parts (not sure what they would be and I think I'll ask for a breakdown) are now covered to 80k/7 years. They referenced the same service bulletin a member linked to above.
However, the service department at the dealership where I bought the car didn't offer the same extension. They insisted there's no such thing, the car's out of warranty, that's that. So apparently it is up to the individual dealer whether to extend the warranty. It seems pretty foolish of Honda to OK that kind of inconsistency. Maybe they didn't, and this dealer is wrong, and I'll never know because I won't be speaking to anyone at that dealership again.
I had scheduled an appointment with a third dealership about 2 hours away for a trade evaluation and to look at the 2017 EX CVT, but I canceled it. My 2015 is driving like new again and I decided a. I don't want to give up the manual and b. this is now the devil I know. I wish I had a fun car like wasserball's Porsche (I wanted an S2000 so badly at one time) then maybe I would rationalize the CVT, but I'll never be in that position. Originally I expected the 2015 to be my last gasoline engine vehicle. Guess I'm crossing my fingers now about that. So much has changed since I bought the car, in my own life and obviously in the world, that I'm letting expectations go.
Anyone else who stumbles on this thread because the warning light cluster is indicating fuel injection issues, if your Fit has under 80k miles, tell your service department what you learned here if they don't tell you first.
However, the service department at the dealership where I bought the car didn't offer the same extension. They insisted there's no such thing, the car's out of warranty, that's that. So apparently it is up to the individual dealer whether to extend the warranty. It seems pretty foolish of Honda to OK that kind of inconsistency. Maybe they didn't, and this dealer is wrong, and I'll never know because I won't be speaking to anyone at that dealership again.
I had scheduled an appointment with a third dealership about 2 hours away for a trade evaluation and to look at the 2017 EX CVT, but I canceled it. My 2015 is driving like new again and I decided a. I don't want to give up the manual and b. this is now the devil I know. I wish I had a fun car like wasserball's Porsche (I wanted an S2000 so badly at one time) then maybe I would rationalize the CVT, but I'll never be in that position. Originally I expected the 2015 to be my last gasoline engine vehicle. Guess I'm crossing my fingers now about that. So much has changed since I bought the car, in my own life and obviously in the world, that I'm letting expectations go.
Anyone else who stumbles on this thread because the warning light cluster is indicating fuel injection issues, if your Fit has under 80k miles, tell your service department what you learned here if they don't tell you first.
Update: fuel injection system covered under extended warranty
If this is a duplicate post I apologize. I tried submitting this a couple days ago but it hasn't appeared. In case other 2015 Fit owners are facing the fuel injection failure issue, I think it's important for them to know Honda has authorized dealers to cover fuel injection system replacement up to 7 years/80k miles. The coverage seems to ultimately be up to the dealership. The dealer who performed my repair did so at no cost to me based on the service bulletin members posted above, saying they were handling it "like a recall but on a case by case basis." But the dealer from whom I purchased the car refused to offer the extension.
So my 2015 LX MT is repaired and drives like new. I cancelled the trade evaluation I had scheduled with a third dealer and decided to keep the car rather than trade for the 2017 EX CVT because a. I just don't want to give up the manual transmission and b. this car is the devil I know. I appreciate the advice I received here. You helped me make a challenging decision. Now I guess I'll hope the 2015 lasts me until I either am too old to drive or electric vehicles become an affordable and widely available (and chargeable) option.
I don't think I'll be passing this Fit on to my daughter. Her 2009 base MT is going strong at 150k and she aims to drive and care for it until it gives up the ghost. What a car.
So my 2015 LX MT is repaired and drives like new. I cancelled the trade evaluation I had scheduled with a third dealer and decided to keep the car rather than trade for the 2017 EX CVT because a. I just don't want to give up the manual transmission and b. this car is the devil I know. I appreciate the advice I received here. You helped me make a challenging decision. Now I guess I'll hope the 2015 lasts me until I either am too old to drive or electric vehicles become an affordable and widely available (and chargeable) option.
I don't think I'll be passing this Fit on to my daughter. Her 2009 base MT is going strong at 150k and she aims to drive and care for it until it gives up the ghost. What a car.
get it fixed and keep it.
Our mexico 2015 has had zero issues in 130k miles. Doing the first part replacement on it next week which is to replace a dying rear wheel bearing. Noothing but normal maintenance on it since new.
Our mexico 2015 has had zero issues in 130k miles. Doing the first part replacement on it next week which is to replace a dying rear wheel bearing. Noothing but normal maintenance on it since new.
Welcome. Known issues on the GK5 are:
3. VTC actuator failure. Makes a horrible grinding noise on cold startup, but doesn't adversely affect anything else. Some here are having theirs replaced under warranty if applicable. My '16 LX does this. I can live with it.
So all else being equal, if the injectors are replaced under warranty, the major repair remaining might be the starter. I'd keep the car if you didn't have to pay for the injectors.
3. VTC actuator failure. Makes a horrible grinding noise on cold startup, but doesn't adversely affect anything else. Some here are having theirs replaced under warranty if applicable. My '16 LX does this. I can live with it.
So all else being equal, if the injectors are replaced under warranty, the major repair remaining might be the starter. I'd keep the car if you didn't have to pay for the injectors.
My 2015 has the VTC Actuator Failure.
Honda has a TSB on it:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...99108-5233.pdf
Trying to decide whether to have the Dealer fix it under the extended warranty or just leave it alone?
Thanks for bring this to my attention.
My 2015 has the VTC Actuator Failure.
Honda has a TSB on it:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...99108-5233.pdf
Trying to decide whether to have the Dealer fix it under the extended warranty or just leave it alone?
My 2015 has the VTC Actuator Failure.
Honda has a TSB on it:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...99108-5233.pdf
Trying to decide whether to have the Dealer fix it under the extended warranty or just leave it alone?
It'll stop the annoying sound at cold start-up and prevent the pistons from crashing into the valves when the engine falls out of time.
Seems like a no-brainer to me
From what I recall people who had this problem reported that the noise continued to get louder over time. If you wait until all your warranties are gone you will not be very happy if you have to fix it then. As BMWguy22 said, it's a no brainer.
I’m biased, although I don’t know the whole history of our Fit… iirc, was Jan ‘15 build, bought used CPO in June of ‘16, LX with 6 spd manual…. I dunno if the previous owner sold it at 40,000 miles after having to deal with associated issues in early builds, or if we got lucky - no outstanding recalls on it, car has about 70,000 miles on it and runs like a Swiss watch, never an issue - still with the tiny battery it came with, probably original, who knows? Tires were virtually knew when we bought it, still waiting for the Coopers to wear out, wanna go a lil wider. Our ‘15 has been a great car, no dealer trips other than oil changes while it was under warranty…. Maybe the previous owner had fuel injectors etc replaced I don’t know, but I have no reservations driving this thing anywhere, it’s just flat out affordable fun with the manual. … am always scanning the dash for lighting up like a Christmas tree, but so far so good. My wife likes it, can drive it fine, but doesn’t like crouching to get in… her Kia got totaled a couple months back, she was rear ended at a red light - no injuries, thankfully - we ended up getting a ‘21 HRV EX , she’s as happy as a pig in you know what. It’s a really nice vehicle, but prefer my LX Fit with no touchscreen stuff… am a manual trans/buttons/knobs/switches kind of guy. Just retired, so, an eventual set of new tires, I’ll be set until after she retires, at the least. I love my Fit, hope it performs as well as it has, been super reliable…. And if the muffler goes, I have the original muffler it came with, has a stainless Tanabe on since I bought it… sounds great… fun lil car, and reliable so far…. Wish y’all the best
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