How susceptible is the keyless entry and start to thieves?
 

Never owning a keyless entry vehicle or push start vehicle before, I'm curious how secure you all think the system from Honda is.

The system uses Keeloq I think.

The type of theft I'm talking about is where a pair of thieves works in tandem, one to follow you into a store or something and using a radio receiver/transmitter to pass the signal to the other thief who is next to your car to play the signal and unlock the vehicle. It's called a relay attack.



The Keeloq system uses a rolling/hopping code as an attempt to counter this.

How concerned are you all about vehicle theft of the entire vehicle or contents inside from an attack like this?

I've been thinking of trying to find a high quality RF shield to put my keys in if I'm in a store, some place where I might be susceptible to such an attack. Can't really find any in depth reviews on the quality of these pouches though to shield from such an attack, or if it's even necessary to worry about with the latest generation technology.

I am not concerned. You know how a car unlock company can pop any car door open regardless of how it locks? Thieves can do that too. Or just break the window. So basically if thieves are dead set on getting into your car they will, and they will probably use a much easier method that what you're talking about.

really, thats what insurance is for. You cant worry about the .0001% chance someone might steal your ride with some gone in sixty seconds impossible method

Really, all that technology and effort to steal a $20,000 car?

I am not at all worried about these sorts of attacks. The RF systems are probably more secure than the physical locks on the doors, in terms of difficulty of faking a key out. The ignition lock (which, I believe, is quite separate from the door lock key fob system), if at all like typical immobilizer systems, is far more secure than a physical key, both in terms of the number of possible keys (orders of magnitude more) and of the difficulty of bypassing it (requires model-specific ECU parts at the least). Both systems are far more secure than many garage door opener remotes still in use.

If someone wants to break into your car, they probably aren't going to try to unlock the door, or even check to see if it's locked in many cases; instead, they'll destroy a window or something. If someone really wants to steal the car, they can always use a trailer or a tow truck.

Thread like this one make me glad I have insurance that will cover my car if it get stolen! I also never keep anything valuable in it in plain view that would make it more of a target to get stolen.

Always remember also the NUMBER 1 method cars are stolen. Unlocked with the keys inside. :eek3:

I think a cargo cover is a reasonable investment if you leave things inside. $183 on Bernadi.

I'm not worried either, I don't keep anything in my car when I'm not in it.

I have a backup security with me all the time. Its called Walther 9mm

Pro thieves use tow trucks. They are much quicker and easier to use than any sort of keyless relay system.

I'm sure that as soon as keyless start systems came out some hacker was figuring out how to get around them, just as an intellectual exercise. Once they figured it out what better way to make their effort worthwhile than to put on seminars demonstrating how to do it?

If my car gets stolen, I have insurance. That just means I get to buy a new one lol.

But in all seriousness, if they want your car bad enough, they will get it, no matter what technology is there to help prevent it.

I think you guys are all right.

Just got insurance today for the car. Guess I'll have to have my piece of mind with the insurance.

Why can't I just install explosive reactive armor to the vehicle, and have a lifesign whitelist?:violin: