So what's up with Honda?
#21
10-12-2015, 05:35 PM
I've had 3 Honda Civics ... a 1980 Station Wagon (toughest little car I've ever had), an EX Coupe and an Si Coupe. I remember them all fondly. Then came a series of financial and personal set backs. I eventually would up with a 2008 Suzuki SX4 while looking for a used 2nd gen Fit. Few to be had at any reasonable price. The SX4 was the best little car no one had ever heard of. American Suzuki just didn't know how to market them. They pulled out of the NA market and the resale/trade in value dropped like a rock (excuse to get rid of it). It was a demo with only 900 miles on it in Dec. 2009. It was an automatic while all the Civics had been manuals. I prefer manuals.
The 2015 Fit EX 6 speed is probably the last car I'll buy. I'll be 75 on Bruce Lee's birthday. I'm in remarkable good health but I try to be realistic. The only flaw I see in the Fit is the horribly flimsy hatch floor between the rear wheel wells with no easy DIY fix.
I apologize for my snarky attitude. But then again there was a reason I choose "Short Fuse" for my CB handle back in the day.
#22
10-12-2015, 06:03 PM
So recalls seem to be par the course these days.....not sure which auto manufacturer hasn't recieved one.....part of the problem are the vendors they source parts from and others the result of cost-cutting which is what just about every business is doing to maximize profits.....
Honda messed up in that they had a range of acceptability for density for the main shaft and allowed production with said density at the lower end....
meaning this new fit wasnt meant to be the little Honda that turns over 200k that we have come to love and expect from the big H.....
this is disappointing but falls in line with what every manufacturer is doing, gone are the days of dependability as they hope buyers treat their cars like their other electronic devices and upgrade to get new tech.
I hate this trend....other cars I have been looking at to replace this fit are either using CVT, Turbos, and tons of electronics that put a question mark on the makes reliability down the road.
We should be disappointed and express that disappointment as Honda fans...no need for us to continue to buy their product if they continue like this, though I'm not sure which manufacturer to go to....
Honda messed up in that they had a range of acceptability for density for the main shaft and allowed production with said density at the lower end....
meaning this new fit wasnt meant to be the little Honda that turns over 200k that we have come to love and expect from the big H.....
this is disappointing but falls in line with what every manufacturer is doing, gone are the days of dependability as they hope buyers treat their cars like their other electronic devices and upgrade to get new tech.
I hate this trend....other cars I have been looking at to replace this fit are either using CVT, Turbos, and tons of electronics that put a question mark on the makes reliability down the road.
We should be disappointed and express that disappointment as Honda fans...no need for us to continue to buy their product if they continue like this, though I'm not sure which manufacturer to go to....
#23
10-12-2015, 06:03 PM
So recalls seem to be par the course these days.....not sure which auto manufacturer hasn't recieved one.....part of the problem are the vendors they source parts from and others the result of cost-cutting which is what just about every business is doing to maximize profits.....
Honda messed up in that they had a range of acceptability for density for the main shaft and allowed production with said density at the lower end....
meaning this new fit wasnt meant to be the little Honda that turns over 200k that we have come to love and expect from the big H.....
this is disappointing but falls in line with what every manufacturer is doing, gone are the days of dependability as they hope buyers treat their cars like their other electronic devices and upgrade to get new tech.
I hate this trend....other cars I have been looking at to replace this fit are either using CVT, Turbos, and tons of electronics that put a question mark on the makes reliability down the road.
We should be disappointed and express that disappointment as Honda fans...no need for us to continue to buy their product if they continue like this, though I'm not sure which manufacturer to go to....
Honda messed up in that they had a range of acceptability for density for the main shaft and allowed production with said density at the lower end....
meaning this new fit wasnt meant to be the little Honda that turns over 200k that we have come to love and expect from the big H.....
this is disappointing but falls in line with what every manufacturer is doing, gone are the days of dependability as they hope buyers treat their cars like their other electronic devices and upgrade to get new tech.
I hate this trend....other cars I have been looking at to replace this fit are either using CVT, Turbos, and tons of electronics that put a question mark on the makes reliability down the road.
We should be disappointed and express that disappointment as Honda fans...no need for us to continue to buy their product if they continue like this, though I'm not sure which manufacturer to go to....
I hope you're wrong but I fear you are right. Everything is made crappier today. I own my own AC business and the new equipment is more efficient, much more techy, and fails at a ridiculously high rate. I don't know if the manufactures are trying to cut corners to save money or they want the cars to fail sooner. Maybe both. Either way it sucks for the consumer.
#24
10-12-2015, 06:17 PM
I hope you're wrong but I fear you are right. Everything is made crappier today. I own my own AC business and the new equipment is more efficient, much more techy, and fails at a ridiculously high rate. I don't know if the manufactures are trying to cut corners to save money or they want the cars to fail sooner. Maybe both. Either way it sucks for the consumer.
#25
10-12-2015, 06:30 PM
there was a "Honda Customer Service" guy that was pretty frequent here when the 2015s came out. Now he's gone.
#26
10-12-2015, 07:05 PM
#27
10-12-2015, 07:07 PM
no, the handle is HondaCstServ. Try to PM him. HondaGeek just sells doesnt really do Quality Assurance.
#28
10-12-2015, 10:29 PM
Then carry the complaints to the manufacturer/seller directly instead of "unofficial" sites like this. I'm pretty sure that Honda is aware of this and other "unofficial" places, but really pay little or no attention to them. If it became a hate site and was troublesome, they would take action, ore way or the other.
#29
10-13-2015, 12:24 AM
Note that the 3rd or 4th attempt at an Acura NSX replacement is priced right up there with current supercars, not undercutting them like the original. Price point IS the point.
#30
10-13-2015, 07:11 AM
I agree. I think most companies pay a lot of attention to popular internet forums like this. I know for a fact they do in the air conditioning world. My concern is that they might not really do that much about some quality issues, because it seems most companies are sacrificing quality to cut costs.
#31
10-13-2015, 08:07 AM
The thing to understand here is that these parts (going by what we know from the published info from Honda) were within acceptable tolerance, just at the low side. Still *acceptable* though. My guess is that they found that the low tolerance is actually too low in the real world, for some use cases.
A hundred years ago, before computers, an engineer would design a part using the TLAR method (That Looks About Right). If it broke in the field, they just beefed it up more until it didn't break, which is why my 65 year old farm tractor is still running as good as the day it was new. Technology allows us to design much closer to "just good enough, plus a bit extra," which works fine for 95% of typical use cases, but which also means once the part is done, it's done. You'll only find 65 year-old Fits in museums one of these days...
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#32
10-13-2015, 11:37 AM
In the manufacturing world, all parts have an acceptable tolerance (finished dimensions or other material property can vary plus or minus by a certain amount). The tighter the tolerance, the more expensive it is to make the part (one reason aviation parts are ridiculously expensive).
The thing to understand here is that these parts (going by what we know from the published info from Honda) were within acceptable tolerance, just at the low side. Still *acceptable* though. My guess is that they found that the low tolerance is actually too low in the real world, for some use cases.
A hundred years ago, before computers, an engineer would design a part using the TLAR method (That Looks About Right). If it broke in the field, they just beefed it up more until it didn't break, which is why my 65 year old farm tractor is still running as good as the day it was new. Technology allows us to design much closer to "just good enough, plus a bit extra," which works fine for 95% of typical use cases, but which also means once the part is done, it's done. You'll only find 65 year-old Fits in museums one of these days...
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The thing to understand here is that these parts (going by what we know from the published info from Honda) were within acceptable tolerance, just at the low side. Still *acceptable* though. My guess is that they found that the low tolerance is actually too low in the real world, for some use cases.
A hundred years ago, before computers, an engineer would design a part using the TLAR method (That Looks About Right). If it broke in the field, they just beefed it up more until it didn't break, which is why my 65 year old farm tractor is still running as good as the day it was new. Technology allows us to design much closer to "just good enough, plus a bit extra," which works fine for 95% of typical use cases, but which also means once the part is done, it's done. You'll only find 65 year-old Fits in museums one of these days...
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#33
10-13-2015, 12:12 PM
Most of the 7 Wonders of the Ancient World are gone, mostly for natural disasters or war. The exceptions are the pyramids. There were several designs, trial and error, the older ones are crumbled ruins. The better, surviving ones were built by ancient engineers who had the time and resources provided by pharoses who wanted to be remembered.
#34
10-13-2015, 04:47 PM
Where does one get a list of these recalls? Shouldn't I get a notification from Honda? I would like a list of the recalls when I go to the dealer for my first oil change. I only have a couple of issues so I have not taken the car back for them because they don't effect the performance of it.
#35
10-13-2015, 05:06 PM
Where does one get a list of these recalls? Shouldn't I get a notification from Honda? I would like a list of the recalls when I go to the dealer for my first oil change. I only have a couple of issues so I have not taken the car back for them because they don't effect the performance of it.
Go to the Honda website and submit your VIN, all 17 characters. Follow the instructions. It could be that there is NO recall for your particular Fit.
My EX 6 speed, built 12/14, sold 5/2/15, has not been subject to any of the 3 recalls.
#37
10-14-2015, 06:51 PM
Proof? ToV members has complained about the lack of a Type R for decades now. It MAY show up in late 2016 as a turbo charged V6 Civic with hang on aero panels, not a magic normally aspirated 4. A way out of the price bracket of most Honda buyers.
Note that the 3rd or 4th attempt at an Acura NSX replacement is priced right up there with current supercars, not undercutting them like the original. Price point IS the point.
Note that the 3rd or 4th attempt at an Acura NSX replacement is priced right up there with current supercars, not undercutting them like the original. Price point IS the point.
Lets say they are stupid if they don't. I don't believe they are stupid
#39
10-16-2015, 03:37 PM
Got my 3rd recall done yesterday...The coils. It does run better, with no stumbling like before. Just hope there is no 4th or 5th recall
#40
10-17-2015, 05:30 PM
At least a "recall" means that the problem will be fixed, unlike issues like the sagging front bumper cover.