flaws per 100 vehicles ranking
 

Here is Power's ranking and the number of flaws reported per 100 cars:

Kia 83
Porsche 84
Hyundai 92
Toyota 93
BMW 94
Chevrolet 95
Buick 96 (tie)
Lexus 96 (tie)
Lincoln 96 (tie)
Nissan 101
Ford 102
GMC 103 (tie)
Infiniti 103 (tie)
Volkwagen 104
INDUSTRY AVERAGE 105
Audi 110
Mercedes-Benz 111
Cadillac 112
Jeep 113
Ram 114
Chrysler 115
Mitsubishi 116
Dodge 117
Subaru 118
Honda 119
Acura 122
Scion 123
Jaguar 127 (tie)
Mazda 127 (tie)
Mini 127 (tie)
Land Rover 132
Volvo 152
Fiat 174
Smart 216

:( Wow, some heads ought to roll at Honda with those stats. :eek3:

Just one data point, but I had far more and far more worse problems with my '13 Volkswagen Beetle TDi. Actually, other than the CVT software flash and inner door bracket recalls, I've really had no substantive issues with my Fit.

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No indication of the severity of the flaws. I had two recalls on my Suzuki SX4, Loctite not used properly on the outside mirrors (a very minor flaw) and a passenger seat airbag sensor (major IMHO). As I read the "report" no weight is given for each flaw.

I've read many articles about infotainment systems skewing these numbers. They really aren't a great way to know if your car won't start or if it's just hard to get a radio station.

Here's one: http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/23/-j-d-power-quality-ratings-analysis/

That list is a joke. Volkswagen is way worse than Honda, I know, I lived through the hell that is owning a VW Golf.

My Honda Fit, zero problems.

Over the year I've owned the Fit, I had the door handle bracket recall, which took three visits to correct issues caused by the work performed (black sealant of the passenger window and a water leak inside the rear driver's side door).


The rear axle was built improperly and couldn't be aligned, causing excessive wear on the right rear tire. The axle had to be replaced under warranty, and I consequently had to buy a new set of tires when the one tire was worn out at 15,000 miles.


I'm still staring at a 1/8" gap between the "A" pillar and the dashboard and an 1/4" difference in height between the "A Pillar and the vent trim.


The gap between the bumper cover and the front fender has grown to 1/4" and continues to spread. Neither Honda nor the dealer has a solution to either problem.


I know I'm not alone here. I've been a member of this forum for over five years. I've owned both a GE and a GK Fit. I've seen the kind of topics discussed here. The first and second gen. forums seem to be mostly filled with threads on modifications and customizing the cars-you know, fun stuff (at least until the air bag recall). The 3rd gen. forum seems to be full of complaints about quality.

For those of you whose Fits are "perfect", you are either lucky, or your standards are much lower than mine.

I do consider myself to be one of the lucky ones. I've read about the issues many Fit owners are complaining about here on the forum. Fortunately I haven't experienced any of them. 11,000+ miles so far and no problems - no recalls either. So far, so good.

Those of us who are satisfied (or have sub-Uncle Gary standards) are less likely to post here. Personally, I come here for the DIY projects and tips. Griping is generally not my thing.

Yes, I feel fortunate to be lucky. This is my first car in 35 years, and my first new car. It would have been such a bummer to get one with issues.

I wouldn't say I have low standards (I have the same issues, mind you), but those of us with a 2015 were early adopters, which comes with all the niggles of owning a first year model. Also, given the price tag ($17.5K OTD for a EX manual) I'm still extremely satisfied. One poster on here posted pictures of how his amazing dealership fixed the front bumper cover issue with just some glue and foam. Easy fix if it bothers you so much. Honda's reputation for quality did lessen in my eyes with this model, but I still feel it's above par for what I've owned in the past and in this price range. :wiggle:

[QUOTE=DannyJ7;1347794]I wouldn't say I have low standards (I have the same issues, mind you), but those of us with a 2015 were early adopters, which comes with all the niggles of owning a first year model. Also, given the price tag ($17.5K OTD for a EX manual) I'm still extremely satisfied. One poster on here posted pictures of how his amazing dealership fixed the front bumper cover issue with just some glue and foam. Easy fix if it bothers you so much. Honda's reputation for quality did lessen in my eyes with this model, but I still feel it's above par for what I've owned in the past and in this price range. :wiggle

I am planning to fix my front and rear bumper (gap ) could you post the link of the pictures.

I've probably scanned most of the threads on the forum. No idea where it's at.

[QUOTE=oiric2006@gmail.com;1347795] First off, stop calling the 2015 Fit a "first year model". It's not. It came out in Japan and Asia a year earlier as a 2014 model. Just because it didn't come here until '15 doesn't make it a "first year model". Honda had an entire year to work out the bugs before it arrived in '15. As it is, it almost didn't arrive here in meaningful quantity until nearly the end of the '15 model year.


Second, what does price have to do with anything? I work hard for my money and $17,500 isn't chump change to me, even if it is to some of you.

Easy there guy. Just expressing my opinion on the matter. Not trying to get into an argument about this, but the safety regulations in each country differ (see the difference between JDM and USDM bumpers). Those differences can be the difference between some of the fit and finish issues we have with our Fits. I'm not justifying the gaps in quality, just stating that I'm still pleased with my purchase.

I apologize. I also owned an '09 Fit (also a "first year in the U.S." model), and it was the best new car I'd ever owned. Never an issue the entire time I owned it. Naturally, I had very high expectations for the '15.


Fact is, I really like this car, and that's why the unfixable issues probably bother me as much as they do. Fact is, I'm not a Honda fanboy, and I'm not willing to apologize or make excuses for them.


That said, I'm done discussing this. I realize I've spent entirely too much time here discussing the issues I've had with the car and my disappointment with Honda in general. I've no doubt overstayed my welcome, and I'm sure everyone is as sick of hearing about these problems as I am talking about them.

Anyone have a steering column that is not level? I noticed on mine that the stalks were uneven and that the plastic cover is also uneven to the gauge cover. I made some shims to level the column. I have a 16 lx

I checked mine and it looks ok. Did you by any chance take a picture of it before you leveled it?

It's actually still not perfect. Takes about 5 mins to take the shims out or add. I will take some pictures when I get back from vacation

Honda really has dropped the ball when it comes to certain things. The reason for this is that they spend too much money developing stuff like jets and robots?

Back in the day, they made engines. When they stuck to engines on wheels, they did okay, but now it's a big corporate environment, and we, their customers, are paying the price.

My first honda was a cb360 motorcycle. That thing was bulletproof, and when it did breakdown, the odds were that if a good kick didn't fix it, a screwdriver would. Now when things break on a honda, there's a chance that not even the honda mechanics can fix it.

Sheesh, and I thought I was an old fuddy-duddy. CB360? When was that? 40, 50 years ago? The twin or four cylinder?

Ordinary cars back then didn't have fuel injection of any sort, few if any emission controls, disc breaks. Air condition, power steering and brakes were options on all but luxury cars.

BTW, the executive jet is highly rated.

Hondas are not perfect and judging from the long list that proceeds Honda and the even longer one that follows, I'd say that there's room for improvement. But if a company doesn't improve, expand, innovate, diversify, it dies. Studebaker used to make somre pretty good cars and the Raymond Lowy coupe was spectacular ... on the outside. Same old engine, transmissions, etc. Pretty much the same with the Avanti. Later they were produced with light V8s, Ford and Chevy. Still OHV push rod engines.

My 360 was a two cylinder model, right before the hawk came out. There was never a 360 4 cylinder model, but they did have a 350 4 cylinder. My bro had one and it was a very smooth, but busy engine. I later had a 400 4 super sport that was one of the smoothest bikes I've ever owned.

I think that maybe the real problem with honda is that it is no longer honda. The name remains the same, but Sochiro Honda died in 1991 and Takeo Fujisawa in 88. With their passing, the company just wouldn't be the same. I know old Japanese guys who were kids in 1940, and Japan produced a different breed of men back then. They grew up in the rubble of post-war Japan (one guy I know remembers passing burning bodies as his family escaped the fire bombing) and they oversaw the reconstruction.

Look at Sochiro Honda's bio and you'll see what I mean. Working for a guy like that wouldn't be like your average corporate environment. He'd know you personally, and if you had anything to do with sagging bumpers on one of his babies, he would have personally flensed the skin off of your body with one of your saggy bumpers.

Nowadays, it's a multinational corporation with nothing but an army of bean counters in charge of a bunch of slovenly employees.

In other words, it's become Chrysler.:(

I've rented hundreds of cars over the years, and been stuck with a number of Chrysler products. Honda is NOT Chrysler.

I don't think it's that bad, but the fact remains that the inspiration that drove honda is gone, and that's not a good thing. It's like steve jobs dying. Now apple is still apple, but not really. There is no "mister thunder" to poke his head into an office and say "you either do what I tell you, or you're gonna spend the rest of your days cleaning the VIP toilet!"

When Sochiro Honda decided to start manufacturing motorcycles in the states, he was bucking the idea that Americans aren't capable of meeting the exacting standards of Japanese. I think he was proven correct in that.

But now with these recurring problems such as misaligned dashboards and saggy bumpers coming out of the various plants, there is nobody who is going to tell the suits that this was a mistake, and that there are serious defects that aren't being addressed.

He had a vision that basically went like this: Employees will be happy producing things that they are proud to produce; Sales people will be happy selling cars; customers will be happy with their purchase of a Honda.

If at any point, an employee felt their skill was being ignored in favor of corporate profits, he would have been able to tell him. If a salesman felt like he was being forced to sell an inferior product, he had an audience, and any customer that felt he didn't get the best value for his money, that customer would have been listened to.

That's not happening now. There are no honda reps reading this forum so they could learn that we do have some issues with build quality, and that is because it is now a corporation with no vision and no direction.

Sochiro Honda cheated in high school, and helped his classmates cheat to graduate. But his greatest crime was being caught cheating. He learned from that mistake, and went on to produce products that were perfect, It wasn't the cheating that he was ashamed of, but rather the imperfection that allowed him to be caught cheating.

That vision is now gone.

Yeah, of all the crimes against humanity, saggy bumpers has to be right up there with the worst of them.

What planet are you from? Return post haste from whence you came.

Oh, and I'm sure there's a rocking chair waiting for you from which you can throw rocks at dogs.

While I'm a not a Honda fan boy, I like them. I have admired Sochiro Honda for a long time from knowing that the built the company from absolutely nothing in post war Japan.

But Belch has gone way, way overboard in his criticism of the present day Honda Corporation. The company has, like most, current ups and downs. It looks like Honda is headed back up .. Civic Si, Type R, and the Acura NSX. Hint they will NOT be perfect, but they will be exciting.

No company is perfect, no perfect car has ever been produced, never will.

Now Belch can go bloviate and build his Sochiro Honda shrine.