Check Engine Light - Continuing
#81
I got the new MAF sensor today and asked about the exemption for inspection. As it turns out, that $400 figure I heard about is correct, but it must be $400 spent on labor alone. Then the state decides whether or not to grant the inspection exemption. We're over $600, but it's not all labor.
#83
Since August, and nothing is immediate. I have to wait to get an appointment. They probably have to order a part. Then I have to wait two or three days to see if the Check Engine light comes back on.
#84
I got the new MAF sensor today and asked about the exemption for inspection. As it turns out, that $400 figure I heard about is correct, but it must be $400 spent on labor alone. Then the state decides whether or not to grant the inspection exemption. We're over $600, but it's not all labor.
#88
I sent an email and a tweet to Honda about the Ck Eng problem a couple of weeks ago, and I just received this.
"Thank you for contacting Honda Automobile Customer Service. We appreciate you as a customer and the opportunity of responding to your concern regarding the check engine issues you are experiencing.
We are sorry to hear that you have been unable to properly register your vehicle given this issue. Your vehicle was effected by Safety Recall: Ignition Coils which indicates, "The noise suppression capacitors inside the ignition coils may degrade over time causing the MIL to come on, the engine or fuel injection system to malfunction, or in severe cases, the engine to stall. NOTE: If the MIL is on with DTC P0300 (random misfire detected) or P0301–P0304 (cylinder misfire detected), refer to service bulletin 16-034, MIL Comes On with DTC P0300, P0301, P0302, P0303, P0304, and do that procedure first. Then, make sure you do this bulletin to complete the repair." This Safety Recall was completed on 2016-05-06. The Safety Recall indicates that "replace the four ignition coils and, if necessary, clean the spark plug connection ends."
We would recommend that you contact the Honda dealership that performed the repairs and inquire if the repair that has been recommended now is in any way related. If the issue is related to the previosu repair the dealership can contact Honda directly on your behalf. If it is determined that the current issue is a separate one, the vehicle owner would be responsible for repair cost."
That coil recall goes way back, and I'm pretty sure we had that done on both Fits. At one time in this process, I did have a code that indicated a misfire in cylinder 3. With the new MAF sensor, everything is fine again.
"Thank you for contacting Honda Automobile Customer Service. We appreciate you as a customer and the opportunity of responding to your concern regarding the check engine issues you are experiencing.
We are sorry to hear that you have been unable to properly register your vehicle given this issue. Your vehicle was effected by Safety Recall: Ignition Coils which indicates, "The noise suppression capacitors inside the ignition coils may degrade over time causing the MIL to come on, the engine or fuel injection system to malfunction, or in severe cases, the engine to stall. NOTE: If the MIL is on with DTC P0300 (random misfire detected) or P0301–P0304 (cylinder misfire detected), refer to service bulletin 16-034, MIL Comes On with DTC P0300, P0301, P0302, P0303, P0304, and do that procedure first. Then, make sure you do this bulletin to complete the repair." This Safety Recall was completed on 2016-05-06. The Safety Recall indicates that "replace the four ignition coils and, if necessary, clean the spark plug connection ends."
We would recommend that you contact the Honda dealership that performed the repairs and inquire if the repair that has been recommended now is in any way related. If the issue is related to the previosu repair the dealership can contact Honda directly on your behalf. If it is determined that the current issue is a separate one, the vehicle owner would be responsible for repair cost."
That coil recall goes way back, and I'm pretty sure we had that done on both Fits. At one time in this process, I did have a code that indicated a misfire in cylinder 3. With the new MAF sensor, everything is fine again.
#92
Yes, after the OEM MAF. I haven't checked the codes yet since the car isn't here, but I suspect it will be P0171. All the warning lights are on, including tire pressure. Both the dealer and the mechanic said that isn't unusual. One problem can trip another code.
#94
assuming its injectors.... thats covered under warranty right? any vacuum hose leaks?
https://www.fixdapp.com/blog/p0171
https://www.fixdapp.com/blog/p0171
#95
this one is worth book marking:
DTC Troubleshooting: P0171 (45-2), P0172 (45-1) (5MT)
NOTE: If some of the DTCs listed below are stored at the same time as DTC P0171 and/or P0172, troubleshoot those DTCs first, then recheck for P0171 and/or P0172.
P0107, P0108: Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor
P0135: Primary Heated Oxygen Sensor (Primary HO2S) (Sensor 1) heater
1.Check the fuel pressure.Is fuel pressure OK?
YES - Go to 2.
NO - Check these items:
2.Start the engine. Hold the engine at 3,000 rpm (min-1) with no load (in Park or neutral) until the radiator fan comes on.3.Check the primary HO2S (Sensor 1) output with the scan tool.Does it stay at less than 0.3 V or more than 0.6 V?
YES - Replace the primary HO2S (Sensor 1).n
NO - Go to 4.
4.Turn the ignition switch OFF.5.With a vacuum pump (A), apply vacuum to the evaporative emission (EVAP) canister purge valve (B) from the evaporative emission (EVAP) canister side.
Does it hold vacuum?
YES - Go to 6.
NO - Replace the EVAP canister purge valve.n
6.Turn the ignition switch ON (II).7.Check the manifold pressure with the scan tool.Does it indicate atmospheric pressure?
YES - Go to 8.
NO - Replace the MAP sensor.n
8.Start the engine.9.Check the MAP sensor with the scan tool.Is a MAP of 40.0 kPa (300 mmHg, 12.0 in.Hg) or less indicated within 1 second after starting the engine?
YES - Check the valve clearance and adjust if necessary. If the valve clearance are OK, replace the injector.n
NO - Replace the MAP sensor.n
DTC Troubleshooting: P0171 (45-2), P0172 (45-1) (5MT)
DTC Troubleshooting: P0171 (45-2), P0172 (45-1)
DTC P0171 (45-2): Fuel System Too LeanDTC P0172 (45-1): Fuel System Too RichNOTE: If some of the DTCs listed below are stored at the same time as DTC P0171 and/or P0172, troubleshoot those DTCs first, then recheck for P0171 and/or P0172.
P0107, P0108: Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor
P0135: Primary Heated Oxygen Sensor (Primary HO2S) (Sensor 1) heater
1.Check the fuel pressure.Is fuel pressure OK?
YES - Go to 2.
NO - Check these items:
- If the pressure is too high, replace the fuel pressure regulator.n
- If the pressure is too low, check the fuel pump, the fuel feed pipe, the fuel filter, and replace the fuel pressure regulator.n
2.Start the engine. Hold the engine at 3,000 rpm (min-1) with no load (in Park or neutral) until the radiator fan comes on.3.Check the primary HO2S (Sensor 1) output with the scan tool.Does it stay at less than 0.3 V or more than 0.6 V?
YES - Replace the primary HO2S (Sensor 1).n
NO - Go to 4.
4.Turn the ignition switch OFF.5.With a vacuum pump (A), apply vacuum to the evaporative emission (EVAP) canister purge valve (B) from the evaporative emission (EVAP) canister side.
Does it hold vacuum?
YES - Go to 6.
NO - Replace the EVAP canister purge valve.n
6.Turn the ignition switch ON (II).7.Check the manifold pressure with the scan tool.Does it indicate atmospheric pressure?
YES - Go to 8.
NO - Replace the MAP sensor.n
8.Start the engine.9.Check the MAP sensor with the scan tool.Is a MAP of 40.0 kPa (300 mmHg, 12.0 in.Hg) or less indicated within 1 second after starting the engine?
YES - Check the valve clearance and adjust if necessary. If the valve clearance are OK, replace the injector.n
NO - Replace the MAP sensor.n
#96
assuming its injectors.... thats covered under warranty right? any vacuum hose leaks?
https://www.fixdapp.com/blog/p0171
https://www.fixdapp.com/blog/p0171
#97
#98
Fortunately(?), the car was totaled in a four-car accident. My son is okay, but I'm sure the car will be totaled. We have a new Fit arriving within a few days, and the dealer gave us a Civic loaner in the meantime. An unlicensed driver in a van slammed into a Hyundai which slammed into my son's Fit, which barely tapped a Jeep. The cars were all stopped at a construction site, but the driver of the van didn't see them.
#100
Unfortunately, the hood can't be opened without a crowbar. I'd hate to pay another $263 (or whatever) for MAF for my car. I did save the brand new right side view mirror and LaneWatch camera, though.