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Old 11-21-2017, 12:24 PM
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CEL's are primarily tied to 02 sensors. Not the only thing, but the primary thing.

I'd have the codes pulled to see what it shows and go from there. There's definitely something not right if you're getting a CEL ever.
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 12:51 PM
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Know exactly what the CEL code is P0012, it seems to an extremely common not to worry about gremlin with my generation of Miata. Computer misreads oil pressure, which then over times it leading to the CEL...at least thats my understanding.

Has been intermittent ever since I got the car back in the summer. Got it to shut up for a a few hundred miles recently which led me to get the SMOG so I can transfer the title officially to me from my aunt. Obviously I'd rather it not be there at all.
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 01:39 PM
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glad to hear it's a non issue!
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 02:09 PM
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Keeping an eye on eibach springs for black friday. Still torn between pro-kit 1.0F/0.8R (black civic) and sportlines 1.4F/1.2R (gunmetal). Both have 20mm spacers (I have a set of 15mm I bought for cheap from the gunmetal picture owner after he bought volks.)

ProKit dont need rear camber arms. But that 0.4" difference maybe noticable visually?


 
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Why would sportline need camber arms?
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 03:21 PM
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you want some forward rake on a ff car, but go swifts instead if they make them for your car. prokits suck with stock dampers.
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mike410b
Why would sportline need camber arms?
Other civic owners have gotten the prokit to be within alignment/camber spec with stock configuration. But with the sportline it drops just enough to make rear camber adjustment outside factory suggested spec.

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you want some forward rake on a ff car, but go swifts instead if they make them for your car. prokits suck with stock dampers.
Emailed swift a few times and no response on whether they are making a set for the non-type-r's.

H&R's definitely do a forward rake with a 1.7"F and 1.0"R drop. Just keeping an eye out for any black friday deals.
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 04:26 PM
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How far outside?
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 04:29 PM
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Probably just barely lol.

Saw a White AND a red Golf-R at work today...such a clean looking car from the factory.

Any hatch on prokit with stock tires

 

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Old 11-21-2017, 04:30 PM
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Would just REPRESENT #CAMBERGANG #STANCENATION #CANIBEAT #HELLAFLUSH

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I think I'm at -2.6* ish
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 04:35 PM
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Put a Pro-kit on my 2002 SE-R specV. The car gained 0.10 60" at the dragstrip. I couldn't keep it from squatting and unloading the front. Was a disaster for autocross. Also had it dragging a$$ with passengers in the rear. I was very not happy. The rear spring rates they run on front drive cars is just way too soft. They are built to make sure the car under no circumstance will ever have snap oversteer. The will plow on a dry road until you finally give up and just go slower.

Switched back to stock springs and was much better. Then switched to JIC Magic coilovers. Was amazing.

The reason I bought them for the specV is I had them on my '93 Taurus SHO and they were excellent. Back in the '90's Eibach was quality stuff and had spring rates based on the enthusiast. The ones for the SHO's had a sharp rake and were super stiff in the rear. Like good front drive springs should be.

Today I feel they are just churning out safe/mediocre springs that people buy just for the drop.
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 04:40 PM
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Put a Pro-kit on my 2002 SE-R specV. The car gained 0.10 60" at the dragstrip. I couldn't keep it from squatting and unloading the front. Was a disaster for autocross. Also had it dragging a$$ with passengers in the rear. I was very not happy. The rear spring rates they run on front drive cars is just way too soft. They are built to make sure the car under no circumstance will ever have snap oversteer. The will plow on a dry road until you finally give up and just go slower.

Switched back to stock springs and was much better. Then switched to JIC Magic coilovers. Was amazing.

The reason I bought them for the specV is I had them on my '93 Taurus SHO and they were excellent. Back in the '90's Eibach was quality stuff and had spring rates based on the enthusiast. The ones for the SHO's had a sharp rake and were super stiff in the rear. Like good front drive springs should be.

Today I feel they are just churning out safe/mediocre springs that people buy just for the drop.
Well the claimed rates are stiffer than stock, at least on the prokit. The rear sportlines are softer.

Dont really wanna break the bank on the civic. $200ish for springs isn't bad...just dont want to drop $1k again on coils for a DD. It handles well...just want to drop and handle a little better. If i ever autoX....the miata is the logical one to use...granted the civic would be fun.
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 04:51 PM
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the problem with prokit is they make your car handle like crap without stiffer dampers.

i'd leave it stock until you can get coilovers with adjustable dampers in this case.
yah the GolfR is a nice sleeper for middle aged older folks like me.
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 04:53 PM
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speaking of which, i should be getting those cobalt bits today.. oh, ups already delivered!
guess i will be drilling holes in my R's pedals on Friday.
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 05:01 PM
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I've heard nothing but good things about the eibachs for the civics even on stock dampers. I've had them previously and H&Rs. Just not sure I'll like the "rake" the H&Rs will do. But I was extremely happy with the H&Rs on my EK hatch and the Swifts on the GE8. Swifts would be an easy yes...

I'm not sure if I'm middle aged...suppose if I only live to 68 then Im right in the middle...lol.

Forget I'm 34 sometimes.

Why are you drilling holes again?
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 05:07 PM
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Stock rates: 141F/162R
Pro-kit: 157F and 120-183 progressive Rear.
Sportlines: 148F/103R

This means the Pro Kit rear starts out ~25% softer than stock and, once compressed, will eventually reach a 183 rate. By then, the front drive car has unloaded the front tires and is spinning. Bad for the dragstrip and the road course.

Notice that the stock springs are ~15% stiffer in the rear vs the front. I'd be looking for that or more in an aftermarket spring.

Something in the 150f/170r would seem to be reasonable based on your stock rates.

Not saying to not buy the Eibach's. Just didn't have good luck on my last go around with them. Looking forward to hearing an honest opinion if you go with them.

As a side note, guys on my ecoboost forum swear by H&R's also and won't touch Eibachs.
 

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Old 11-21-2017, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by GAFIT
Stock rates: 141F/162R
Pro-kit: 157F and 120-183 progressive Rear.
Sportlines: 148F/103R

This means the Pro Kit rear starts out ~25% softer than stock and, once compressed, will eventually reach a 183 rate. By then, the front drive car has unloaded the front tires and is spinning. Bad for the dragstrip and the road course.

Notice that the stock springs are ~15% stiffer in the rear vs the front. I'd be looking for that or more in an aftermarket spring.

Something in the 150f/170r would seem to be reasonable based on your stock rates.

Not saying to not buy the Eibach's. Just didn't have good luck on my last go around with them. Looking forward to hearing an honest opinion if you go with them.

As a side note, guys on my ecoboost forum swear by H&R's also and won't touch Eibachs.
I do see that. The whole progressive spring thing was weird in the rear for me. The H&Rs dont mention rates but fairly certain they are progressive as well.
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 05:28 PM
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shinjari- huh, maybe on the civics it is worth a try?
yah 34 is over a decade ago for me.

drilling Sparco race pedals on my R
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 05:32 PM
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Sorry for the derailment...

Strictly looking at the drop specs and rates, I'd go with the Pro Kits between the two.

I think a mild drop does wonders and I'd be really concerned about bottoming out the rear with the sport lines. They are very soft and a decent drop. That combo could have it dragging butt with passengers or luggage.
 
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Old 11-21-2017, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
yah 34 is over a decade ago for me.

drilling Sparco race pedals on my R
You're like.....ooooold!

Oh, wait. So am I

I'd ask for pics when complete, but I know the answer
 


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