gasket sealer type to use?
A friend has a minor leak around his 1991 Civic valve cover.
He replaced it with a new Honda OEM about a year ago and it recently started leaking again. I vaguely remember mention of an aproved sealer that could be sued that would mess up the O2 sensor. I tried going back and searching with no luck. He has a new OEM valve cover gasket and would like help changing it Monday evening. Any suggestions as to what type sealer is good? Terry |
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Just to get the ball rolling, as someone who has replaced various components
on her 19991 Civic that use sealant like you mention (e.g. valve cover gasket, oil pan gasket, engine block coolant drain bolt) a few times now: I don't think I've used sealant either of the times I've replaced the valve cover gasket (also known as the "cylinder head cover"). My Chilton's manual says use it "if necessary." (Instructions for replacing the gasket are in section 3, "Engine and Engine Rebuilding." They're also probably free online at www.autozone.com 's free repair guides.) Putting the cover in place carefully is important; if the gasket becomes twisted during installation of course it won't seal correctly. I recommend a torque wrench for the cover nuts. They're only supposed to be tightened to 7 ft-lbs. on my Civic. I tighten each one gradually, and bicycle spoke fashion. Also, the grommets that go around the four (on my car) cover bolts do harden and fail after a while, leaking oil. How old is your friend's car? Maybe the oil is coming from these. His car may be due for new grommets. I estimate six years is a good time to replace these. The sealant you have in mind may be "Permatex Ultra Grey," advertised as "sensor safe RTV silicone gasket maker." One can go to www.permatex.com , click on "Automotive" on the left, then "Under Hood." The different sealants and their applications are listed. Note that the "Ultra Grey" description specifically states it's good for valve covers. There are other Permatex sealants listed there that are also said by Permatex to be good for valve covers. I'm pretty sure Autozone carries most Permatex products. If you need a low range torque wrench just for this job, consider a cheap-o Pittsburgh model from Harbor Freight. Currently it's a little under $30, but HF has a lot of sales. I mention it because valve cover replacement jobs are the main reason I have a low range torque wrench. I compared the cheap-o torque wrench to my larger torque wrench and it seems accurate enough. It just probably won't last as long. <r2000swler@hotmail.com> wrote > A friend has a minor leak around his 1991 Civic valve cover. > He replaced it with a new Honda OEM about a year ago and it > recently started leaking again. I vaguely remember mention > of an aproved sealer that could be [us]ed that would mess up > the O2 sensor. I tried going back and searching with no luck. > > He has a new OEM valve cover gasket and would like help changing > it Monday evening. Any suggestions as to what type sealer is > good? |
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r2000swler@hotmail.com wrote in
news:1120943334.487688.163190@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com: > A friend has a minor leak around his 1991 Civic valve cover. > He replaced it with a new Honda OEM about a year ago and it > recently started leaking again. I vaguely remember mention > of an aproved sealer that could be sued that would mess up > the O2 sensor. I tried going back and searching with no luck. > > He has a new OEM valve cover gasket and would like help changing > it Monday evening. Any suggestions as to what type sealer is > good? Any sensor-safe RTV is OK. Permatex is good. You're supposed to use Hondabond, the closest aftermarket equivalent of which is Permatex UltraGrey. I just use pretty much any hi-temp RTV I can find. Right now it's the orange stuff, just because I had a tube handy when I did the valves last. You put a tiny dab in the sharp corners where the cam bearing caps meet the cylinder head. If the gasket is OEM and the surface is totally, squeaky clean, with no grains of grit /anywhere/, the use of RTV in that location is optional and you can just smear a micro-thin layer of oil on the gasket before assembly, then wiggle and thump it into place to make sure the sharp corners settle into place properly. Also...and this is critical...do NOT lose those little rubber grommets on the nuts. They prevent leaks. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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Elle:
He changed the valve cover gasket and those little rubber seals in May 2004. He had "seakage" at the start, but it was so slight as to not be an issue. It is now seaping way too much and he has to go to Columbus next week. I have a nice selection of tools, with the correct torque wrench. I suspect he might have pinched/twisted the gasket. Thanks for the reply Terry |
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TeGGeR® :
Thanks for the quick reply. He is picking up some Permatex ultragray this (Sunday) afternooon. We will change the gasket Monday evening. He will leave the car stting all day so we don't have deal with a hot engine. I changed mine, and a young friend's and never bothered with sealant. But this guy is a little spooked. Thanks Terry |
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TeGGeR® wrote: > r2000swler@hotmail.com wrote in > news:1120943334.487688.163190@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com: > > >>A friend has a minor leak around his 1991 Civic valve cover. >>He replaced it with a new Honda OEM about a year ago and it >>recently started leaking again. I vaguely remember mention >>of an aproved sealer that could be sued that would mess up >>the O2 sensor. I tried going back and searching with no luck. >> >>He has a new OEM valve cover gasket and would like help changing >>it Monday evening. Any suggestions as to what type sealer is >>good? > > > > > Any sensor-safe RTV is OK. Permatex is good. You're supposed to use > Hondabond, the closest aftermarket equivalent of which is Permatex > UltraGrey. I just use pretty much any hi-temp RTV I can find. Right now > it's the orange stuff, just because I had a tube handy when I did the > valves last. I've tried Permatex Super Blue (or whatever "Blue" it was called). > You put a tiny dab in the sharp corners where the cam bearing caps meet the > cylinder head. > > If the gasket is OEM and the surface is totally, squeaky clean, with no > grains of grit /anywhere/, the use of RTV in that location is optional and > you can just smear a micro-thin layer of oil on the gasket before assembly, > then wiggle and thump it into place to make sure the sharp corners settle > into place properly. > > Also...and this is critical...do NOT lose those little rubber grommets on > the nuts. They prevent leaks. They can be replaced. I replaced a bunch of them on an '89 Integra valve cover. The originals were hard and shriveled after about 70K miles. Oh - the spark plug tube gaskets sometimes need to be replaced when removing the valve cover. About $2-3 each. |
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TeGGeR® wrote:
> r2000swler@hotmail.com wrote in > news:1120943334.487688.163190@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com: > > >>A friend has a minor leak around his 1991 Civic valve cover. >>He replaced it with a new Honda OEM about a year ago and it >>recently started leaking again. I vaguely remember mention >>of an aproved sealer that could be sued that would mess up >>the O2 sensor. I tried going back and searching with no luck. >> >>He has a new OEM valve cover gasket and would like help changing >>it Monday evening. Any suggestions as to what type sealer is >>good? > > > > > Any sensor-safe RTV is OK. Permatex is good. You're supposed to use > Hondabond, the closest aftermarket equivalent of which is Permatex > UltraGrey. I just use pretty much any hi-temp RTV I can find. Right now > it's the orange stuff, just because I had a tube handy when I did the > valves last. > > You put a tiny dab in the sharp corners where the cam bearing caps meet the > cylinder head. > > If the gasket is OEM and the surface is totally, squeaky clean, with no > grains of grit /anywhere/, the use of RTV in that location is optional and > you can just smear a micro-thin layer of oil on the gasket before assembly, > then wiggle and thump it into place to make sure the sharp corners settle > into place properly. > > Also...and this is critical...do NOT lose those little rubber grommets on > the nuts. They prevent leaks. > > just a data point - new oem gasket on mine doesn't leak at all - no additional sealant. |
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y_p_w <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:VceAe.1636$dU3.1196@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net: > > > TeGGeR® wrote: >> >> Also...and this is critical...do NOT lose those little rubber >> grommets on the nuts. They prevent leaks. > > They can be replaced. Yes, but my point was that some people lose them, don't bother replacing them, and end up with oil leaks. Then they try to stop the leak by tightening the nut down really hard and end up snapping the stud. I replaced a bunch of them on an '89 Integra > valve cover. The originals were hard and shriveled after about 70K > miles. Mine are still fine after 250K and 14 years. > > Oh - the spark plug tube gaskets sometimes need to be replaced when > removing the valve cover. About $2-3 each. I replace those every few years. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
news:GqudnTOLyaMgJkzfRVn-hg@speakeasy.net: >> > just a data point - new oem gasket on mine doesn't leak at all - no > additional sealant. > No sealant on my OEM either, and it's new this year. I'll put some sealant on next year when I reuse it. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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TeGGeR® wrote:
> jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in > news:GqudnTOLyaMgJkzfRVn-hg@speakeasy.net: > > > >>just a data point - new oem gasket on mine doesn't leak at all - no >>additional sealant. >> > > > > No sealant on my OEM either, and it's new this year. I'll put some sealant > on next year when I reuse it. > had the cover off mine twice already - still no leaks! |
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TeGGeR® wrote:
> y_p_w <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote in > news:VceAe.1636$dU3.1196@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net: > I replaced a bunch of them on an '89 Integra > > valve cover. The originals were hard and shriveled after about > > 70K miles. > > Mine are still fine after 250K and 14 years. Are we talking about the same thing? Little black round combination metal/rubber thing with a hole through it. Has maybe four little dimples at the top. Threads go through the hole and nut screws at the end of the threads. I found mine slightly dry and definitely nowhere near new looking. I figured at $2.50 a pop, it wasn't too much to replace them. > > Oh - the spark plug tube gaskets sometimes need to be replaced > > when removing the valve cover. About $2-3 each. > > > I replace those every few years. BTW - I only applied the dab of sealant on the valve cover beacause it was recommended in my factory service manual. A dealer parts dept said they could sell me some special "black" Honda silicone sealant, but that Permatex "Super Blue" or similar sealant should do the job just fine for less. |
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"y_p_w" <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1121108378.270765.156850@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com: > TeGGeR® wrote: >> y_p_w <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote in >> news:VceAe.1636$dU3.1196@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net: >> I replaced a bunch of them on an '89 Integra >> > valve cover. The originals were hard and shriveled after about >> > 70K miles. >> >> Mine are still fine after 250K and 14 years. > > Are we talking about the same thing? Evidently not. > Little black round combination > metal/rubber thing with a hole through it. Has maybe four little > dimples at the top. Threads go through the hole and nut screws at > the end of the threads. Mine are one-piece, made of some sort of hard rubber or plastic material. The grommets on our Tercel are more as you describe, with pliable rubber surfaces. I just replaced all of them on the Tercel. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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