I bought a 2002 Accord EX in Sept.2004 with 41K miles from a lady.
Now a year later I decided to sell it as I moved and I can walk to
work, and I can rent a car cheap on the weekends. I couldn't figure why
for the past two weeks people would never call me back after I gave
them the VIN number. Finaly somebody told me today what he saw on
carfax about my car.

I did check the VIN on carfax before I bought it last year and the
history looked clean, no inconsistent odometer readings.
I'm attaching the present carfax report below. Could someone explain
what might have caused the jump from 39K miles to 72K and then back to
40K??? Is there a way for me to verify this, can I report it somewhere?
Any advice on what I should do next will be highly appreciated.

Thank you,
slava.
-----------------------carfax report follows---------------

CARFAX searched more than 3 billion records from over 5,300 sources
and found 12 record(s) for this 2002 HONDA ACCORD EX
(1HGCG56662A077939)

Date:
Mileage Reading:
Source:
General Comments:


01/30/2002 5 Service Facility
Vehicle serviced
State inspection completed


04/03/2002 Dealer Inventory
Virginia
Vehicle sold


04/03/2002 Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Bristow, VA
Registered as
personal vehicle


04/25/2002 11 Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Bristow, VA
Title or registration issued
First owner reported


05/30/2002 7,700 Service Facility
Vehicle serviced
Air conditioning serviced


04/15/2003 39,865 Service Facility
Vehicle serviced


04/17/2003 Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Bristow, VA
Title or registration issued


04/10/2004 72,656 Virginia
Inspection Station
Gainesville, VA
Passed emissions inspection


04/21/2004 73,365 Service Facility
Vehicle serviced


04/22/2004 Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Bristow, VA
Title or registration issued
New owner reported


08/19/2004 40,750 Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Haymarket, VA
Title or registration issued
New owner reported
POTENTIAL ODOMETER ROLLBACK

CARFAX AdvisorTM
The readings causing this rollback were collected by a DMV or
other verifiable source. Please verify the mileage with your dealer or
a qualified mechanic.

09/13/2004 41,050 Maryland
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Chevy Chase, MD
Title #34805328
Registration issued or renewed
Loan or lien reported

 

slavarevutchi@yahoo.com wrote:
> I bought a 2002 Accord EX in Sept.2004 with 41K miles from a lady.
> Now a year later I decided to sell it as I moved and I can walk to
> work, and I can rent a car cheap on the weekends. I couldn't figure why
> for the past two weeks people would never call me back after I gave
> them the VIN number. Finaly somebody told me today what he saw on
> carfax about my car.
>
> I did check the VIN on carfax before I bought it last year and the
> history looked clean, no inconsistent odometer readings.
> I'm attaching the present carfax report below. Could someone explain
> what might have caused the jump from 39K miles to 72K and then back to
> 40K??? Is there a way for me to verify this, can I report it somewhere?
> Any advice on what I should do next will be highly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
> slava.
> -----------------------carfax report follows---------------
>
> CARFAX searched more than 3 billion records from over 5,300 sources
> and found 12 record(s) for this 2002 HONDA ACCORD EX
> (1HGCG56662A077939)
>
> Date:
> Mileage Reading:
> Source:
> General Comments:
>
>
> 01/30/2002 5 Service Facility
> Vehicle serviced
> State inspection completed
>
>
> 04/03/2002 Dealer Inventory
> Virginia
> Vehicle sold
>
>
> 04/03/2002 Virginia
> Motor Vehicle Dept.
> Bristow, VA
> Registered as
> personal vehicle
>
>
> 04/25/2002 11 Virginia
> Motor Vehicle Dept.
> Bristow, VA
> Title or registration issued
> First owner reported
>
>
> 05/30/2002 7,700 Service Facility
> Vehicle serviced
> Air conditioning serviced
>
>
> 04/15/2003 39,865 Service Facility
> Vehicle serviced
>
>
> 04/17/2003 Virginia
> Motor Vehicle Dept.
> Bristow, VA
> Title or registration issued
>
>
> 04/10/2004 72,656 Virginia
> Inspection Station
> Gainesville, VA
> Passed emissions inspection
>
>
> 04/21/2004 73,365 Service Facility
> Vehicle serviced
>
>
> 04/22/2004 Virginia
> Motor Vehicle Dept.
> Bristow, VA
> Title or registration issued
> New owner reported
>
>
> 08/19/2004 40,750 Virginia
> Motor Vehicle Dept.
> Haymarket, VA
> Title or registration issued
> New owner reported
> POTENTIAL ODOMETER ROLLBACK
>
> CARFAX AdvisorTM
> The readings causing this rollback were collected by a DMV or
> other verifiable source. Please verify the mileage with your dealer or
> a qualified mechanic.
>
> 09/13/2004 41,050 Maryland
> Motor Vehicle Dept.
> Chevy Chase, MD
> Title #34805328
> Registration issued or renewed
> Loan or lien reported
>

looks pretty clear to me - there was rollback. the two high mileages
are only 11 days apart and have nearly 1000 additional miles accumulated
in that time. that's consistent with a car that was in heavy daily
usage that allowed it to rack up 30+k extra miles in just a year. if
the odometer had been replaced due to defect, it would roll back to
zero, not 40k.

you can call dmv to see what your options are, but it's probably best to
sell it as a higher mileage vehicke rather than have it look like /you/
are the one attempting to perpetrate the fraud. you'll take a hit on
the price, but at least you'll succeed in selling it if the buyer knows
what they're getting.

 

jim beam wrote:
> looks pretty clear to me - there was rollback. the two high mileages
> are only 11 days apart and have nearly 1000 additional miles accumulated
> in that time.

and even ignoring THAT, that leaves the "816 miles" driven in 16 months!

 

I would consider hiring a lawyer or bringing suit in small claims
court. You got significantly burned. Maybe you're entitled under your
state's law to triple damages etc. That could make it worthwhile, and
you'll be doing a public service to boot.

 

> looks pretty clear to me - there was rollback. the two high mileages
> are only 11 days apart and have nearly 1000 additional miles accumulated
> in that time. that's consistent with a car that was in heavy daily
> usage that allowed it to rack up 30+k extra miles in just a year. if
> the odometer had been replaced due to defect, it would roll back to
> zero, not 40k.
>
> you can call dmv to see what your options are, but it's probably best to
> sell it as a higher mileage vehicke rather than have it look like /you/
> are the one attempting to perpetrate the fraud. you'll take a hit on
> the price, but at least you'll succeed in selling it if the buyer knows
> what they're getting.

thanks for your reply. I checked the the same VIN at Autocheck.com and
here
is what I get (i had to type the whole thing as somebody faxed it to
me):

04/18/2002 Bristow, VA Motor vehicle dept. Registr.
event renewal.
04/25/2002 Bristow, VA 11 Motor veh. dept. title
04/17/2003 Bristow, VA Motor. veh. dept. registration
event/renewal
04/10/2004 Gainesville, va independent emission
source inspection

04/22/2004 Bristow, VA motor veh.dept. registration
event/renewal
08/19/2004 Haymarket, VA 40,750 motor. veh.dept. title
09/13/2004 chevy chase, md 41,050 mva title

As you can see the mileage is consistent. The mileage is simply not
recorded
at all check points. Should I trust CARFAX or Autocheck?

Thank you for you help,
slava.

 

Just curious - is there any way the person who perpetrated this fraud
could be nailed by the law - this "lady" maybe a front for a band of
crooks. Hope there is a way to nail this crook.

 

slavarevutchi@yahoo.com wrote:
> As you can see the mileage is consistent. The mileage is simply not
> recorded
> at all check points. Should I trust CARFAX or Autocheck?

Look at the dates and numbers again. Autocheck doesn't record the
mileage for 4/10/04 or 4/21-4/22/04, when the high mileage shows up in
Carfax. Think of it this way: Carfax got the info from somewhere, right?
Either the info is wrong (check with Carfax) or there's a scam. Someone
else already observed: how likely is it that this car only had 800 miles
put on it in 16 months?

 

butch burton wrote:
> Just curious - is there any way the person who perpetrated this fraud
> could be nailed by the law - this "lady" maybe a front for a band of
> crooks. Hope there is a way to nail this crook.
>
gypsies often use women as the front for their scams.

 

SoCalMike wrote:
> butch burton wrote:
> > Just curious - is there any way the person who perpetrated this fraud
> > could be nailed by the law - this "lady" maybe a front for a band of
> > crooks. Hope there is a way to nail this crook.
> >
> gypsies often use women as the front for their scams.

I spent some time investigating the matter yesterday. The lady I bought
the car from had me make the check to some dealership, the same
dealership
was on the title. I guess I was so excited to get my first car, and
being new to this country I didn't suspect much. I checked with my bank
and
they gave me the name of the guy who cached the check, some turkish
name.
I found the number for the dealership on the net in a directory
listing, called them up, turnes out it is somebody's cell phone. The
guy, not a native English speaker, sounded as if I just woke him up, I
asked if he knew the turkish guy, he said yes. I explained the
situation and he promised to get a hold of him, and that he would call
me back. He never did of course. I called the lady
up a few times, she pretends she doesn't remember what happend a year
ago, then I ended up talking to her boyfriend who insulted and
threatened
me, and by the way he had a very turkish accent :)
I don't know if I want to pursue this matter any further at this point.

I reported the odometer rollback to NHTSA, Odometer Fraud dept. The
person I spoke to didn't sound very promising, she said they will mail
me some information about my rights.

vr.

 

Wow what a scam operation - suggest you contact the police where this
"dealership" is located. If it is a big enough town, they have a
"Bunko" or fraud squad. This sounds like a practiced squad of crooks -
if the feds are not interested - try the local city, county or state
police. When I lived in VA I remember the state cops being very
active. You might share the name(s) of the dealer, any other people
involved and it's location.

These people have to be put in jail - hopefully the males involved get
a room mate wearing a pink jump suit.

 

I take back everything I said, you probably don't want to sue them.
This could be dangerous and unproductive, as you sort of hinted at.
I've been there myself -- had a guy's probation officer tell me that it
wasn't a good idea to do anything after a car wreck with the guy. She
flat told me he was vicious and dangerous.

However, I would turn over all your information to the police, as well
as your state department of tranportation agency that regulates "car
dealers." You can bet they're making a nice living off this scam, and
it will keep right on going until law enforcement steps in. If they
fail to take meaningful action, you might go to the local TV news and
discuss with them (off the record), to raise public awareness and
prompt the officials to act.

 

check with the VA DMV to see why they list your car with the wrong mileage.
-------------
Alex

 

Had a thing on TV about this. They are called Curbsiders.


"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:dgs4vu$acp$17@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
> check with the VA DMV to see why they list your car with the wrong
> mileage.
> -------------
> Alex
>

 

yes, it looks like Curbsider is the right term here. So what's the best
way to advertize the car so I can still sell it. Even if I advertize
100K instead of 46K miles, people will look at Carfax and will never
consider it because of the mileage inconsistency. It's going to be hard
to find somebody who will look at the actual condition of the car and
ignore the Carfax data.

If I report the inconsistency to VA DMV what are the chances that they
will do something about the Carfax records?

I really appreciate all your comments/advices.
thank you.
slava.

 

slavarevutchi@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> yes, it looks like Curbsider is the right term here. So what's the best
> way to advertize the car so I can still sell it. Even if I advertize
> 100K instead of 46K miles, people will look at Carfax and will never
> consider it because of the mileage inconsistency. It's going to be hard
> to find somebody who will look at the actual condition of the car and
> ignore the Carfax data.
>
> If I report the inconsistency to VA DMV what are the chances that they
> will do something about the Carfax records?
>
> I really appreciate all your comments/advices.
> thank you.
> slava.

==============================

Find somebody who knows how to turn your odometer FORWARD, to the
correct reading. It's easy. There's a form inside the front cover of
your owner's manual to record the details (and cover the mechanic's
rear) Then hope somebody buys it without checking carfax.

'Curly'

 

yes, that's one option :)
I think everybody checks Carfax these days.
Suppose I do this and I manage to sell it to someone
who doesn't check Carfax. What if that someone later
on whant's to sell it, finds out about the problem on Carfax
and comes after me...

slava.

 

slavarevutchi@yahoo.com wrote:
> yes, that's one option :)
> I think everybody checks Carfax these days.
> Suppose I do this and I manage to sell it to someone
> who doesn't check Carfax. What if that someone later
> on whant's to sell it, finds out about the problem on Carfax
> and comes after me...

It's called "honesty is the best policy". Be up-front about the issue
and your ass is covered.

 

slavarevutchi@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> yes, that's one option :)
> I think everybody checks Carfax these days.
> Suppose I do this and I manage to sell it to someone
> who doesn't check Carfax. What if that someone later
> on whant's to sell it, finds out about the problem on Carfax
> and comes after me...
>
> slava.

---------------------------

The maker provided the form for such a case as yours. If you put it back
the way it's supposed to be, selling it with the correct (actual)
mileage indicated, you're covered. I've spoken to an Alberta agency that
polices rollback, and they don't even seize the vehicle, or make sure
the odometer ever gets corrected. They just prosecute. I guess nobody
thought that was important :-(

'Curly'