Scion xD: "The Fit is No"
 

Seen the ad yet online?

The top part says:

Accessorize without voiding your warranty*.
The Scion xD
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Below the orange car it says:

Rollover here for important information.
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So I did, and this is the footnote:

*Scion dealers installed accessory will not void warranty. Show vehicle only; not street legal; modified with non-genuine Scion parts which may void the warranty and adversely impact performance/safety.
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Their automatic gets worse mileage than my base. Their 49 state xD pollutes twice as much as the base fit. They're featuring a car that isn't street legal to promote buying their car when a person cannot go into a dealership and buy the car shown.

That just seems tacky, bogus, fraudulent, whatever you want to call it. And to dis the FIT while doing it?

How do you feel about the ad? Or what about the auto ads in general that have disclaimers and footnotes including "professional driver; closed course; do not attempt" kinds of things?

Frankly, I don't want to see a car doing things that I won't be doing, that are illegal, that require a helmet and extensive professional driving experience.

The FIT won me over with it's reliability, it's appearance, it's gas mileage, it's low pollution, and those wonderful magic seats.

Scion appears to want to win people over by bad mouthing the FIT and promoting street illegal vehicles???

I think I'll send them a letter. Because that kind of thing really chaps my hide.

I was going to buy an xD before the Fit. Then I realized my blood is Honda red.

I'm sorry Toyota but you suck. Bring back the Supra and the MR2 and then we'll talk.

i think they're just mad because all the people they thought were going to buy a scion, are now buying a honda fit.. because its better than an xb

hahaha this thread is funny

Yeah it is. It's like Toyota realized it was getting beat, so it resorted to childish name-calling lol. Leave Honda alone. They are just better than you, Toyota. Face facts.

I liked the xA. It was very similar in appearance to the Fit. There were a couple people in the parking garage, one had a black xA and another had a black Fit. Right next to each other.

I walked around the cars several times (way before buying) and I could have gone either way. I like the look of both. They were (i think) 2007 year models.

And I would have gone for the xB too, in all it's boxy glory. It also made sense for me. I like all the visibility. I like driving higher up, I don't want my bum on the floor boards anymore, nor do I want to have a hydraulic lift drivers seat necessary when my back really hurts.

When they changed both models, they completely lost me as a customer. They look much more cramped with less window space. They have the bigger rear pillars that will make a blind spot, just like I had in the old Cabriolet. They look like fake hooligan chopped top hot rod kinds of cars, if that makes sense. Fake because the top isn't chopped, they aren't hot rods. They just aren't going to appeal to the same customers. Even with the car being in the top slot for Consumer Reports, I won't buy it. I do not like the look.

Toyota has plenty of behemoth vehicles, why not a little two-seater again? One with all the options that cover everything from hybrid economy to pocket rocket supercharged? That would fill the space for the sports car, and the small commuter hybrid that they are missing. Yaris is good, but it's not a sports car and it's not hybrid.

Toyota died. They're strictly for the over 30 crowd. Even older xBs I see most of them driven by old dudes. I do like the older xB and xA, but every single new scion/toyota is shit compared to the competition.

Yeah! That's right!

And they're doing it so responsibly, you know, by misleading people.

HEY!!! Watch it with the "old" and "over 30" in the same paragraph!!!

The body gets worn out long before the mind does. As long as I don't look too closely in the mirror or move around too much, I think I'm still young.

Bonus, my eyesight is going a bit, so even looking closely in the mirror doesn't reveal the true horror.

I also liked the xA back in the day, but was still over-priced in my opinion. So I bought the '08 GD instead.

Isn't the xA slightly smaller than the GD? Never seen them side-by-side.

the only car that had worth to me from scion was the tc.. do they even make that anymore? lol that was there only chance at a sports car

**** a Scion.

About 3 inches.

Specs for 2006 Scion xA:
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2006/scion/xa/100570405/specs.htm

And 2007 Honda Fit:
2007 Honda Fit specs, auto safety at Edmunds

Fit totally kicks hind end. And I did compare the pollution at Fuel Economy.gov and Fit was so much less polluting for the 49 states. Why doesn't Toyota make their cars outside of California to be less polluting too? They have the technology. It's not like every other state WANTS pollution. And it's not like there is a wall between states that stops pollution from affecting everyone outside a state. Duh.

I realize looking at the two cars above, they don't really look the same. But with both cars being in black in the parking garage, the grilles blended much more. Tint on the windows, and the windows disappear.

I guess they still do...
http://blogs.edmunds.com/strategies/Reliability.jpg

Click on that image to enlarge it. I love how the Range Rover and the Sebring Convertible are SO BAD they couldn't make the graph big enough to show just HOW bad they were.

well, after the fit has been outselling in japan last few years, and they finally bring it here, toyota never had a chance

It boils down to this, Honda never had to sell out to make marketing Subcompacts viable in the US. Toyota had to kill the Supra, the Celica, and the MR-2 (and the hideous, but functional MR-S) to fund Scion. Why slaughter a namesake to create a sub-brand that caters to young hipsters with bad taste? Furthermore,when I was in the market for a sporty coupe, the Scion TC underperformed everything in its class, and that was three years ago. At the time the EP body Civic SI was the best buy for the price.

well i guess scion didnt count on mugen stepping up to the plate to add performance parts that doesnt "void the fit warrenty." take that scion and trd!!!!!

there is spoon, mugen, and j's who are dedicated to only tuning honda. how many companies are dedicated to toyota besides their inhouse trd?

Man do I miss the celica, i've always wanted one but im too broke. And to me every freakin' toyota looks like a camry! take a look at the corolla, matrix, and the new Murano wannabe (forgot the name), their front ends look identical imo.

I don't think I ever saw an ugly Celica, but I really like the old All-tracs and the GT-four's that we never got stateside. I would watch them crush every scion on the planet if they brought back the Celica GT-four and brought it to the US.

the tc is nice imo, but they have arse drivers...they try to take on just about every subcompact that's below their class, ive seen this tc that tried to go up against a stock nissan sentra...i was just embarassed for the guy, i was thinkin is this guy serious!?! i guess they need to have some retribution for getting their a**es handed to by civic si's sentra-r's and just about every vehicle within its class

trust me when i say that the hurt from toyota is felt far and wide. I'm a proud standing member of the PSTOC, Puget Sound Toyota Owner's Club. I have an 83 Supra that I love to death and a 85 Supra that I get to tinker with and drive.

The crap that toyota is spewing right now makes me ashamed of mentioning their name. I've disliked scions since day 1. the scion toyota celica. Drop the damn scion name and call it what it is.

I fell in love with my 07 gd3 when I first saw it and that love blossomed on the test drive. I looked at several yarii (yes, officially multiple yarii's are, yarii. Same with lexi and prii's) and couldn't come to grips with thinking about owning one. Especially since we don't get the 5 door model in the states.

When I first saw the xd I thought, "Cool, a car from toyota that can compete with the fit." Boy was I wrong.

Now if you want something that looks like a Celica, you have to buy a Mercedes:
Mercedes-Benz, Home of Mercedes-Benz Luxury Automobiles

I'm not sure if that's the same model I have seen around, but there was one that I was SURE was a new model Celica, only to be surprised it was a Mercedes.

My mom had the second generation Celica (hatch, round head lamps) and my dad the third generation (hatch, exactly the gold over brown shown), like here:
Toyota Celica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those were great cars. Neither car died, both were sold. Dad died before his car died. Mum went to the Honda CRX-si (at my insistance, LOL). She died before her car died, but she did put in one of those 20,000 mile used Honda engines.

I didn't want the Yaris for a couple reasons. My brother has one, and I sat in it, and it WOULD have been easier on my back. But the seat material not only grabbed every single cat hair off my shirt, but held a grip on those hairs too. The FIT is a bit better as far as being able to brush off cat hair.

At the time I was looking, the Yaris only had the two-door hatch or the sedan with four doors. I wanted a five-door (four doors and a hatch), and that wasn't available when I was looking with more seriousness last year. But NOW it's available.
2009 Toyota Yaris

It's a four-speed automatic. They are close to the same as far as mileage (the Yaris gets one more mpg city, by EPA estimates), and pollution is the same (for California cars).

Edge goes to the FIT for horsepower and cargo space.

The cat hair thing, though, that was annoying. And there was no way I would consider getting something without rear doors. It's far too difficult to twist and turn to access the back seat area with my own back pain. It makes the back seats completely unusable. Being able to fold down the rear seat is good, but I still can't access that area without climbing in the hatch (oh joy) or more twisting and turning.

Man I hate that ad also but I used to own a scion tc 5speed and I did a ton of mods on that car and it was awesome. But sadly an a**hole with a Chevy Equinox was coming out of an alleyway without even looking and hit the front of my car... I lost all my mods my rims and everything and insurance don't cover the mods... Sigh but yea the ad is just hateful.

blah, toyota keeps killing all their interesting models. now they have nothing interesting or sporty.

sure, i own a yaris. but is there anything terribly interesting about a stock yaris? hell no.

now everything toyota makes is a camry derivative w/ that damn 2.4L....tc = camry coupe, xb2 = camry wagon, matrix xr and xrs = camry wagon

slander by toyota on honda though. not cool.

id have traded my 04 matrix xrs for a fit in a heartbeat, but my wife didnt like the seat/pedal/wheel position...

i drove a new vibe w/ the 2zrfe and a 5 speed....felt pretty good, i liked it even in a car thats 200lb heavier

but maybe thats the misnomer on the entire thing.....xD should really be competing w/ the fit and vice versa.

its got 0.3L more displacement, 15-ish more HP, and subsequently worse MPG

as far as i knew the yaris and fit were still head-to-head...

id have no problem buying an 09 fit or an xD (er, if it were available in canada)

but toyota struck a low blow with "the fit is NO" campaign. dirty pool.

I agree wise man supra and the MR2 bring them back and in a price range we can afford. Man one day i will be able to afford a good DD like my fit and a sick Weekend car for moding fun

The Yaris DOES have something going for it that the Fit doesn't. You can get the car almost option free. Which reduces the cost by thousands. Of course, some would say that is a problem too. That the Fit has an advantage, because it comes with all the goodies, the power windows and locks, etc.

That allows more people to get into the car, because it IS less costly. And I could have gotten along just fine with the base Yaris 5-door where I am. I don't often listen to the radio, near the coast there isn't snow and I probably won't need the rear wiper too often. I didn't have one before, so I could get by without one now.

It did seem like the xA and the Fit were competitors. But switching the body style so much in the xD after discontinuing the xA, they lost a lot of potential customers. I do not see the xD appealing to retirees. Or commuters. Or families. The Fit DOES appeal to all those people, as well as young people and modifiers, etc.

The Yaris doesn't have the same aura that the Fit does. It's a good car. No doubt. Maybe it's just the versatility that is catchy with the Fit. Those Magic Seats!!!

Mine are flipped up right now. I have some recycling to go in. It's perfect for the bags full of cans and plastic bottles. And I still have the back hatch area for my groceries. Plenty of room in there for groceries.

I got the automatic Fit base, and it has a 5-speed automatic. Yaris has 4-speed.

Luggage volume on the Yaris 5-door with 60/40 fold down seats (an OPTION):
25.7 cu. ft. with available 60/40 split fold-down rear seat.
Otherwise the luggage volume is 9.32
Passenger volume: 84.6
Source:
Toyota Yaris - 2009 Performance & Specifications

xD:
Passenger Volume (cu.ft.) 84.5
Cargo Volume (cu.ft.) 10.5
about TWO INCHES LESS HEADROOM! (than the fit)
Source:
Scion

Meanwhile, over at Fit HQ:
Cargo Volume (cu ft, seat up/down) 20.6 / 57.3
Passenger Volume (cu ft) 90.8
Source:
2009 Honda Fit - Specifications - Official Honda Web site

The costs for comparibly equipped cars is about the same. And the price is also about the same as a Smart car. It kind of makes the Smart car look stupid. Ha! Smart is smart only as a city car, for parking ease. I considered it too. But it's just not as reliable as a Honda or Toyota.

ya, id love the have the seats from a fit....soooo much better than a base yaris.....

mine arent split fold in the back nor do they go flat....but from 06-08 in canada the non-RS models didnt have the option of split fold....which, imo, was retarded. all 04/05 echo hatchbacks got split fold rears...even the base models w/o power steering!

theyve sorta fixed that now....as the base 3dr in canada w/ the convience package get 60/40 rears and heated mirrors. but, in typical toyota fashion, in the 5dr you have to buy a TON of other stuff w/ a big package to get split fold rear seats.

agreed though that its nice that the yaris can come pretty stripped down (mine does have a/c either, lol)

but, from another point of view its nice that both the xD and fit come nicely equipped...saves somone like me a lot of hassle fretting about which packages to buy or not buy....base model already has all the items i'd want

still, toyota struck low w/ their ad campaign there.....id rock either car hardstyle

to add to what taffetawhite said, while they look close in size, they couldn't be more different on the inside.

the xa has an absolutley tiny backseat, and the hatch is non existant. very poor use of interior space.

stock handling is worse too.

dont forget the fit is 4x100...rims a-plenty!

then again, 5x100 is the new 4x100, lol

very true. i will say that toyota has always had the benefit of offering wheel offsets that are compatible with pretty much every BBS wheel known to man. (including your yaris!)

I was wanting an xb before the fit, thankfully I waited & got the fit