Hyundai & Kia Lied
 

Hyundai and Kia got caught lying about they're great gas mileage. I'll try to post a link, I hope it works.

Hyundai and Kia Acknowledge Overstating the Gas Mileage of Vehicles - NYTimes.com

Unfortunately the penalty is a bit weak. What incentive do they have to not do it again?

the only things going for them was cheap and cheap to run.


that's going to be an expensive blow to their company image. maybe their elephant can scold them by saying 'bad' in korean now.

Hahahah thats right!!! :) honda!

Hope they're working on their grammar there. Isn't English *fun*? :)

Yup, the news caught my attention too. 40 mpg was definitely an attention-getter.

The engineers forgot they used ethanol free gas in their tests so when e10 is used the mpg fell. The test fuel was probably high octane too and done in a controlled environment which in the real world their data does not even come close.

Honda seems to underestimate their mpg. I've alway got better mpg than what they said. You also can't predict how people drive the vehicle too.

That sounds about right. They wanted to use the market ploy about how many of their vehicles get over 40mpg, so they had to do whatever they could to make it happen.

Honda definitely underestimates their mpg. My window sticker said 35 mpg highway, and I have never gotten under 36 with a mix of hwy and city.

I had noticed the discrepancy when Motor Trend had their long-term Elantra for a few months and couldn't seem to break 28 mpg despite their best efforts.

Granted, you can't always account for how people are going to drive a certain car...but I usually take fuel-efficiency ratings with a shaker of salt. The only thing that seems new or even worrying about the Hyundai/Kia "fiasco" is that someone cocked up the test procedures, willingly or otherwise.

There are other manufacturers vehicles that don't measure up in fuel economy on all their vehicles as well, so maybe they should look at those to if they're going to pursue it. One example at least from what I've read is the new Subaru Impreza's average mpg's seem to often be hovering much closer to the city estimates which is upper 20's. yet it's rated at 27 city and 36 highway i believe.

That seems to be the case with any AWD vehicle I have driven. I'm wondering what scenario they got 36mpg with?

I don't get the big fuss. Lots of other automakers are guilty of this. Every new car I've owned thus far doesn't nearly touch the estimated MPG ratings posted on the car pre-sale. IMO, with the amounting of driving my fiance and I do, doesn't really matter anyways. Just as long as the car is reliable and gets CLOSE to decent MPG, we're fine. Hell, MY Mazdapseed 3 gets better MPG than my Fit, however my Fit is cheaper to fill up lol! In the end, if you're REALLY depending on that *estimated* MPG rating, you're pwning yourself from the start.

hahaha that's a funny.

The Impreza MPG estimate has looked fishy to me for a while. I won't be surprised if they catch them out for the same thing. However, they DID just design a new engine family for it, with DI, and downsized by 20% to a 2.0, so it could be legit - the car is supposedly quite slow now..

HOLY TYPO BATMAN lol. Mazdaspeed NOT Mazdapseed lol.

my friend owns a hyundai, he said that hyundai is paying him for the extra gas he is spending lol

are they paying for the car's extra ugliness too?

Of course, all manufacturers do this.

In for results of class action lawsuit.

honda > everyone. haha
damn that sucks. as big of a blow this could end up being for them, I'm sure they'll only get better for it (hopefully) and back it up with some cars that actually get crazy mileage

I can't believe how off they were with the Kia Soul.

Just ridiculous.

if you are true in your words then i will surely purchase any car of hyundai this will benefit me by paying. not only me but many of the new users will come into hyundai car section

You had to figure the 40mpg on all the other makes and models was pie in the the sky. If you look at Consumer Reports best fuel efficiency cars The most fuel-efficient cars | Consumer Reports

There is really only three cars that average 1 mpg better then the Fit you would think with all the cars claiming 40mpg highway there would be more gas vehicles ahead of the fit.

Makes me wonder what lies they have gotten away with in the past

It's called "Marketing" and "Sales"...

Just commenting on this because a few people brought it up...Weird that so many (as mentioned here and other places) have a tough time achieving estimated mpgs in their subarus. My WRX sticker states 19/25 and I'm consistently getting 24 calculated. My commute is 15 miles round trip so hmmm... Idk.

I average about 23/24 (never the speed limit) with my '02 Rex as well. :-) The new Imprezas are supposed to ave. low 30s'.

Seriously? They gotta pay me then!

they all do
 

Read somewhere that some manufactuers dont even have to test or show test results. An estimated epa is when they put out what they feel it should return in MPG's based on:

-engine size
-past iterations of engines
-modifications to engines (direct injection) to raise mpg's

Given the way the tests are, its no revelation that so many fail to reach the high end of their estimates but instead are a few above the city mileage.

I had an elantra for a month while my fit was in the shop and I ranged from 19-27 with 25 being the average. I drove about 1000 miles (good old enterprise) under all types of conditions.


I rarely get over 27 mpg in my fit...though I own up to it given the way I drive and the fact I load the car up all the time.


Love my fit but needs to be about 3 inches wider with better seats...since Honda routinely fails to bring over a hatchback civic thereby limiting my choices to the Fit or the CRV, I guess I'll be taking a closer look at either:

Impreza
Elantra GT (better standard features for price)

I find it a shame that Honda can get so much right then just ignore the consumer the rest of the way...

The Fit's not really "designed for the US", is the issue. In other parts of the world it's considered a family hatch. Here it's just slotted into the subcompact section as a filler; they have to offer something cheaply and luckily it's pretty good. But yes, between the Fit and the CRV there's room for another hatch in the lineup, if you ask me.

Personally? Accord wagon.

You just had to know that claims of 40 mpg averages were out of whack. Owners who based buying decisions on inaccurate mileage estimates may have purchased different vehicles otherwise.

I agree that Honda seems to understate their fuel economy statistics and consistently exceed owner expectations.

That is because you get articles like this one that do not use real world numbers only the car's ratings Next-Gen 2015 Honda Fit Getting More Efficient DI Engine, CVT

I wonder that this article states the next generation fit would accelerate 15-percent quicker than today's engine with the five-speed automatic what about the manual?

What is weird to me is how Honda got 27/33 with the fit, in order for me to get those mpg id have to drive in 4th gear on the freeway and lock out the overdrive or drive at WOT up the canyons. Lowest MPG ive gotten so far was 35.7mpg and that's with a 650lbs of Costco water and a 145lb passenger.