1st Generation (GD 01-08) The one that started it all! Generation specific talk and questions here!

A/C + MT = Terrible in the city

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 25, 2012 | 03:10 PM
  #1  
sean5995's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Member
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 160
From: Kansas City, MO
A/C + MT = Terrible in the city

Alright, I have a 2008 MT fit and when i have the A/C running it seems to take away alot of power from shifting. Is this normal or should i be concerned? Is there anyway that I can get this to stop or since its only a 4cyl just deal with it? Thanks for the input in advanced. -Sean
 
Old Jul 25, 2012 | 03:28 PM
  #2  
fujisawa's Avatar
Member
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,671
From: Boston, MA
5 Year Member
The AC compressor takes a certain amount of twisting power to run it, and at the low end of the RPM scale the engine is not making much power. As a result low-RPM shifts will feel like there's not much power left over to motivate the car. As a simple example using hp, say the AC takes 5hp to run, and at the low end of the RPM range you are only producing 25hp from your engine. When you turn that AC on it's going to feel like you've got 20% less power, which you would definitely notice!

I had the same issue in my CRV (manual trans), because even though it was a bigger engine it was still a low-torque 4-cyl. On bigger-engined cars like a V6 american car, no problem - you don't even notice the AC is on really, and the car's normal gas mileage is so bad it hardly matters. Hehe.

There is no way around it except to turn off the AC while accelerating I'm afraid. Or rev the engine a little higher than you would otherwise.
 
Old Jul 25, 2012 | 03:30 PM
  #3  
Texas Coyote's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (3)
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 7,388
From: Anderson County Texas
5 Year Member
The under the hood temperature becomes crazy hot in the summer down here and you guys further north are having record heat this one... Cool denser air makes for more power and more miles per gallon... My car suffers terribly in the summer.. Hood louvers have helped some as has using Redline water wetter and one heat range colder plugs but not enough to make me happy...The A/C condenser sitting in front of the radiator also contributes to the problem by giving off heat as well as putting an extra load on the engine like fujisawa pointed out in his post.
 

Last edited by Texas Coyote; Jul 25, 2012 at 03:36 PM.
Old Jul 25, 2012 | 04:11 PM
  #4  
Subie's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,334
From: CA, USA
Unhappy Just deal with it

As already cited by TC and fuji, you just have to adjust/tweak your thought process and adjust your driving accordingly... It's a small displacement engine and the added load (AC) is just amplified more compared to a bigger engine.
 
Old Jul 25, 2012 | 06:07 PM
  #5  
FITdrummer13's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 149
From: Johns Creek, Ga
Yes!!!!! I HATE turning on my a/c because it robs so much power from this little guy :P bleh I just roll down the windows instead ;P
 
Old Jul 25, 2012 | 07:01 PM
  #6  
eurobeaner's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 140
From: Indianapolis IN
Or..... Hit the gas pedal. It's the one on the right. Fixes most my power issues
 
Old Jul 25, 2012 | 08:12 PM
  #7  
zilla8's Avatar
Member
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 544
From: Los Angeles
Man I feel for you guys that have to deal with this issue.I'm in Socal near the beach and I really don't have to use my AC much at all.

I had to go to the Valley last week and I did run my AC a bit but it was no problem.I had a 2011 Mustang 5.0 and there was no drop off in power with the AC on lol

I don't notice the issues with the Fit's small motor and limited power but I'm sure if I was driving across country it would be a different story.

I just rent a larger car with v6/v8 when I travel and need cold ac.
 
Old Jul 25, 2012 | 09:08 PM
  #8  
fujisawa's Avatar
Member
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,671
From: Boston, MA
5 Year Member
Originally Posted by zilla8
in Socal near the beach and I really don't have to use my AC much at all.

I just rent a larger car with v6/v8 when I travel and need cold ac.
Or the heat, I bet :P

Re renting a car, you've got the right idea. On a long road trip, I think you come out ahead by renting a car. A good guide is that the cost per mile including depreciation is somewhere between $0.50 (older car) and $2.00 (new car, unreliable, luxury = Jaguar et al). A real beater might get you down to $0.30 per mile.

If a rental costs $50, it'd make sense to rent if you were going more than 100 miles and could deal with the annoyance of going to/from the rental place. If you were going 200 miles you could get a car for $100/day (and very few rentals cost that much). Math checks out
 
Old Jul 26, 2012 | 02:51 AM
  #9  
EpilepticFit's Avatar
Member
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 175
From: Annandale, VA
Do what I sometimes do. Turn off the A/C when you are accelerating. Pump it up at red lights and when you are on the highway keeping a regular average speed or decelerating. It's kinda like pushing the turbo boost button on KITT except the opposite.
 
Old Jul 26, 2012 | 08:47 AM
  #10  
mhadden's Avatar
Member
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 293
From: On the road...
Originally Posted by EpilepticFit
Do what I sometimes do. Turn off the A/C when you are accelerating. Pump it up at red lights and when you are on the highway keeping a regular average speed or decelerating. It's kinda like pushing the turbo boost button on KITT except the opposite.
Ditto. Do this and keep it in recirc mode. That way when you turn it off to accelerate, it doesn't get to hot to fast.
 
Old Jul 27, 2012 | 08:40 PM
  #11  
BenH79's Avatar
New Member
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 6
From: Jacksonville, FL
Originally Posted by sean5995
Alright, I have a 2008 MT fit and when i have the A/C running it seems to take away alot of power from shifting. Is this normal or should i be concerned? Is there anyway that I can get this to stop or since its only a 4cyl just deal with it? Thanks for the input in advanced. -Sean
I just recently purchased my first Honda Fit - 2008 Sport MT also! I live in Florida, so the heat/humidity is always brutal in the summer. I noticed this same problem sean. You almost cannot survive in the south w/o AC. I really can't wait for autumn/winter to see the difference! I think I will do a MPG test starting tomorrow since I am low on fuel and need to fill up.
 

Last edited by BenH79; Jul 27, 2012 at 08:50 PM.
Old Jul 28, 2012 | 10:50 AM
  #12  
sean5995's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Member
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 160
From: Kansas City, MO
As of right now I have just been turning the A/C off at stop lights and then once I get going turn it on at will. It is a hassle but oh well. I am thinking about getting on of the fans that plug into the outlet and just have that running.
 
Old Jul 28, 2012 | 12:53 PM
  #13  
ErinM's Avatar
Member
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 31
From: Montana
I have a 2008 MT too and have the same issues. My A/C doesn't work all that well to begin with and definitely takes a lot of power. I also turn it off at stoplights in order to give myself a "power boost" . Does anyone know if that is hard on the car? Turning it on and off like that? Summers in Montana don't last too long, but this one has been hotter than usual. Blech. Also not happy that I don't have a heat gauge so I can keep an eye on things. I am a little paranoid about running the A/C all the time and not being able to see my heat gauge for that little engine.
 
Old Jul 28, 2012 | 05:46 PM
  #14  
Potenza's Avatar
Member
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 152
From: Indianapolis
It's a 1.5L economy motor, not a Dodge Viper... you're going to lose some mpg and power with the A/C on in the city.
 
Old Jul 31, 2012 | 03:36 PM
  #15  
sean5995's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Member
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 160
From: Kansas City, MO
I raced a Dodge Viper the other day. I think we all know the outcome of that race. ..
 
Old Aug 2, 2012 | 12:27 PM
  #16  
Subie's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,334
From: CA, USA
Originally Posted by sean5995
I raced a Dodge Viper the other day. I think we all know the outcome of that race. ..
You mean you thought about it then all of a sudden all you saw were tail lights and exhaust...
 
Old Aug 4, 2012 | 08:29 AM
  #17  
pcs0snq's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,049
From: lake worth FL
Not trying to be a smart ass but the Fit is far from a performance car. It's very good at a few things but not that. As was said, if the OP wants that power back when accelerating, just click the A/C switch off to stop the compressor and but also make sure to leave the vent on Internal so your not pulling in HOT outside air.

It would not be too hard to install a throttle position switch and drive a relay that cut's the compressor out at WOT. This was a common feature not long ago on small power cars like the Fit. If that's not enough, consider a Nitrous system or sell it.

I live in South Fla and rarely use the A/C, but have a few times and when not in Eco mode. I do not notice the compressor as far as power bc I'm never WOT.

have fun
 

Last edited by pcs0snq; Aug 4, 2012 at 08:31 AM.
Old Aug 5, 2012 | 01:37 AM
  #18  
fitster's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,089
From: Coquitlam, BC, Canada
the first time i use my ac this season i kill my batt?
 
Old Aug 8, 2012 | 04:58 PM
  #19  
sean5995's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Member
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 160
From: Kansas City, MO
Fitster, what do you mean exactly that it killed your batt? Do you never use ac?
 
Old Aug 9, 2012 | 12:36 AM
  #20  
fitster's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,089
From: Coquitlam, BC, Canada
no clue

i rarely use ac
it was a really hot day

optima yellow top too oh well
only lasted me 2.5 years
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
newcarsmell16
General Fit Talk
12
Jan 13, 2016 09:08 PM
Surviver of the Fittest
2nd Generation (GE 08-13)
8
Sep 7, 2008 07:41 PM
docjim2
General Fit Modifications Discussion
1
Sep 25, 2006 10:35 AM
doogiefish
General Fit Talk
21
Aug 9, 2006 01:04 AM
techman41973@yahoo.com
Other Car Related Discussions
6
Jun 10, 2005 06:34 PM




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:22 AM.