Thanks Loudbang and BurntZ we have been having a wild winter rain for the last 2 weeks and I noticed the water coming in on the rear passengers floor, hummm? And this sure looks like what you's guys have described here in this post. I will check this weekend clean and re-seal.
Thanks to everyone that has added their findings here.
It is a shame that Hondee would let this type of poor QC happen. I have pulled cars apart from the late 60's and 70's that where missing seam sealer all together in some spots and just chalked it up to "up in smoke" from back in the day. But WTH were they smoke'n in Japan when they where building the GD3?
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Leak Found
 

72 degrees today and I knew there was something I wanted to do :confused: on MzFiT then it hit me! check the hatch area for bad seam sealer. And sure enough right in the upper most corner of the hatch frame passenger's side there it was! a 1/64" crack in the seam sealer!! going up into the spot welds on the roof about 5". Cleaned it all up and J.B. welded her up. Also found about 8oz. of water under the spare tire.

Driver's side look alright at this time but the roof moldings are easy enough to remove that this will be a maintenance check from now on.


Thanks again for all the good information on this thread. :D

I've got a small amount of water coming in to the passenger side trunk, not quite into the spare tire well tho. I will try removing those rubber strips and looking for cracks...thanks for the info!

Glad you found it, :thumbups: BUT:


Will JB Weld be flexible enough not to crack as the body flexes? (which is probably the reason these issues occur)



Other makes have problems with leaks or rust due to this issue, as well. On my wife's van, we used RTV type window glass sealer (that "wicks" into any opening and remains flexible) to fill body seam cracks that could potentially cause rust in the rocker panels. :hyper:

I'd imagine there's probably a lot of people with this issue who'll never know because they never look under hatch floor/cover (or have AAA/some other roadside assistance/simply won't ever change a tire themselves). I noticed some water was getting in and ending up in the spare tire well, but it was only a little, so at first I wrote it off to being residual from me opening the hatch when it was raining/snowing to retrieve things. I dug deeper when I noticed the water would come back after I dried it out and hadn't opened the hatch.

One day I took everything out of the hatch area and removed the rear interior panels, but could find no obvious sources of the leak. Thanks to this thread, I found the true (I think) source of the water ingress! Here's a step-by-step of my experience:

First, I pried up the rubber roof rails. After doing this, I realized the best way to do this is to pry about a foot forward of the rearmost part of the rail, as this pulls the metal clip forward so it's released from the little knob it fits over. You can see in the pictures that there's a lot of little bits of debris under there, which needed to be wiped out before applying silicone.

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Under passenger-side rail

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Under passenger-side rail closeup - You can see the crack running down the right side.

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Under driver-side rail (you can see that my prying up from the rear-most part of the rail caused the clip to come off - I levered it back on with a small flathead screwdriver)

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Under driver-side rail closeup - Crack is somewhat visible.


Be sure to open the hatch and see how far the crack goes. You'll need to clean and then seal up the full length of the crack. As you can see here, the crack extends down quite a bit.
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After cleaning, the cracks are more obvious (I used a simple household multi-surface cleaner e.g. 409 but soap and water would be great too):
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passenger-side crack (upper view)

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passenger-side crack (lower view)

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driver-side crack

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drive-side crack (lower view - hard to see because of rubber electrical conduit)

The silicone I used was a small tube of clear GE Silicone II (this stuff: GE Silicone II 2.8-oz. Clear Window and Door Caulk-GE500 3TG at The Home Depot), but any silicone caulk would work here. Whatever you use, you want it to be something that can flex, as otherwise it'll just crack again the first time the car's chassis flexes.

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passenger-side crack after applying (clear) silicone caulk and smoothing with my (nitrile-gloved) finger

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driver-side crack after same


It was about 32 degrees Fahrenheit outside when I did this, which is not preferable (the stuff I used wants 40 degrees at a minimum), so hopefully it'll still cure ok. I went a little light on the amount of silicone applied because of this. If you're working in temperatures above 40 degrees, go ahead and lay it on thick if you like. I left the rails loose while it cures, as I don't want the rails to be effectively glued down should I need to get in there again.

Thank Jared.
That is exactly how the cracks look on my car, i did not have time to seal them before winter,i gonna wait in april, I planned to use leak seal, might spray some on nitril glove and apply it that way. Thank it is a really good post. that's will help a lot.

Jared592: Appreciate the detailed explanation and photos. I spent 3 hrs removing and resealing my taillight housings to no avail. I will try your approach and report back. A big, big thank you if it works.

Frisbeedad that was exactly where mine was. Almost the exact cracks in the seam sealer. Mine was mostly coming into the rear P.S. It took abit of time for all the moisture to dry up from the padding. The thing is if your car has moisture on the inside of the glass, there's a leak letting water in.
The D.S. has the wiring coming out under the crack and is a little more challenging to seal w/o getting on the rubber seal. But be sure to check there too.
You're headed in the right direction here! :D
Carbuff said he had other vehicles leaking in the same areas.
I used JB weld which is supper strong and so far it looks like the day I applied it. I used a 3/16 craft brush with a squared tip not tapered, after cleaning w/ a tooth brush and Tile-x, rinsed w/ water and let dry or use a hair dryer to speed things up. The hair dryer will also flow the JBW out really smooth.
L.B. thanks again brother! good info.
The Hatch Man :D

I brought my 2007 honda fit to an auto upholstery shop yesterday for the same problem. I have had my carpet soaked and causing a smell from the mold. I bought a used carpet from a junkyard but wanted to make sure I get the leak fixed before replacing. Here are some pictures from today's water test. The tech is going to try silicone but not sure if it will work. I will keep everyone posted on the progress.

[IMG]https://www.dropbox.com/s/m07u4u31r8...2014.28.06.jpg[/IMG]

Jared 592 could you please let us know if what you did fixed the problem? And thank you so much for your photos as well as everyone else's helpful information.

I am having a similar problem. I first noticed moisture underneath the very back of the rear seats which I originally thought was from melted snow. After a heavy rain over the weekend and the floors considerably more wet, we looked in the trunk trying to figure out how the water was getting in and found water in the trunk spare tire well. After having seen everyone's photos here, I took at look at the trunk and saw a crack inside the trunk at the top on the passenger side, which is the side that seems to get wetter. I believe if I take the strip off the roof, I will find the crack continues.

I've caulked bathrooms before, but never any kind of major car maintenance work. Would you say it is similar to caulking a bathtub?

Ok guys so after this weekends 3 day downpour I am happy to report that there are no more water leaks entering my 2007 honda fit sport. After the last water test and after stripping the entire interior molding including door panels, the upholstery shop found 4 points of entry. 2 in the trunk just behind the tail lights which also came in through the cracks on the rear roof under the rubber seal. (same as Jared592 pictures). Basically water traveled through the cracks into the chassis and leaked out through two points behind the taillights. To fix this they had to seal the cracks in the roof and remove the tail lights and caulk inside to prevent water from leaking into the trunk. The 3rd entry was coming from the rear passenger door and this was fixed by replacing the inner plastic lining and caulking along the bottom of the door. They also recommended that I replace the window molding which I have not done yet but the problem seems to be gone. The last point of entry was coming from a poor installation of the windshield by Safelite. The upholstery shop tried to address it with caulking but in the end I had to take it to a Safelite location where they replaced the windshield free of charge since they have a lifetime guarantee on all work. The shop manager told me that he was going to help me out because technically they could not warranty the work after someone else tampered with the windshield so thanks to him! I hope this helps because I know how frustrating this problem can be for Fit owners and I do plan on contacting Honda corporate to file a complaint on the poor integrity of this model.

It is similar to caulking a bathtub and is very straightforward, definitely not any kind of major car maintenance. It's like spreading a thin layer of mayonnaise on a sandwich, except instead of bread you're just trying to cover a little crack. If you've made a sandwich before, you can do this. ;)

I've been planning on getting in the spare tire well, getting it bone dry, and then checking back after a rain storm (or simulating one with a hose). I'll post an update with results when I do that.

Checked the trunk again now that's it been a month or so since I silicone'd up the cracks. Dry as a bone. Previously, I would've had a puddle of water under the spare even without recent rain.

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Thanks so much Jared592 especially for the photos! Sorry I didn't realize sooner you had posted a reply, I really appreciate it. And thank you illardscott, your description was really helpful too. I have a feeling water is entering my car from several points as well, including the rear passenger door.

Evidently this is a known flaw with this year's model and in Japan if you take it to the dealer, they will fix it for free. Unfortunately I couldn't find any official notice, but it was written about on a message board in Japanese. I am also planning on writing to Honda.

High And Dry after 4 months!
 

Still dry inside MzFiT no more moisture problems. The roof seams are def. faulty design.
4 months with lots of rain & snow and all is dry I call this prob. repaired.

At first I thought it was the rear P.S. door leaking, until one day at work is was really coming down so I folded the rear seat back down and saw a little stream of water going towards the r.p.s. foot well. So with that I came back here to our F.F. search engine and found Loudbangs posts and pix from there. On 12/12/13 I found the cracks and repaired with JB Weld and an hobby brush 3/16" wide square tip short stiff brissels. Clorox spray cleaner and a toothbrush.
It took about 3 weeks for everything to dry out and the windows to stop getting moisture on the inside of the glass. Now we are receiving heavy spring rains and all is dry.

Thanks to everyone for adding pix and their own personal stories on this thread.

"I love it when a plan comes together"... John "Hannibal" Smith

Big Mike :D

I have cracks too. But living in Vegas I don't really worry too much about the rain!

I'll probably end up sealing them when I have time but right now they don't pose a problem.
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I think Honda should really do something about this. I'm pretty sure every GD Fit has this problem, and like Jared said; people don't mind touching the spare tire well area, hence never finding out.

Like some reinforcement welds, and make a fuss about how it hampers the structural rigidity of the car (which it probably doesn't, but still), etc. etc. lol.

Started a thread on this...now I have to check mine. Good help here!!!

More Spare Tire Well info
 

The roof rail procedure outlined by Jared592 (and others) is spot-on and eliminated 90 - 95% of the water coming into the spare tile well. I had already sealed the taillight gaskets which seemed like the answer but didn't do much. By the way, if you're not afraid to flex the rear bumper cover you can get the taillights out without removing the whole bumper cover. BUT, to stop the last 5 - 10%, I had to completely seal the rubber tailgate gasket. The lip that supports the gasket is formed from overlapping layers of sheet metal that are spot welded in various places. Even though my gasket looked good and seemed to be seated flush somehow water gets under it and flows down the ridges of this lip. You wouldn't believe the tiny trickle of water that eventually created a small puddle. Basically I covered this lip (all the way across the top and past the midpoint of the taillight mount on each side) with auto/boat silicone sealer and pushed the rubber gasket back on. You have to make sure it goes back UNDER the gray part of the taillight mount and OVER the black interior trim at the bottom (if you have taken that off before). It rained over night and it seems to be holding. No rain today until right now as I write this. If I check it tomorrow and there's a puddle, you won't hear from 'cause I'll shoot myself. I have some great pictures but I don't know how to post them.

Haha, don't shoot yourself over a moist rear. Upload the pictures on imgur: the simple image sharer. The site'll give you links to use on message boards like this one.

Photo upload
 

I have an account with Photobucket and DropBox. I think i've used Photobucket before now that I think of it. Will give it a try in the next few days. By the way, more rain over the weekend and still dry.

OK, if you need to seal the hatch gasket (if the roof rail procedure doesn't catch it all) here's what I did. Again, you can't see where the water comes in--it's behind the interior panels which you don't have to remove but I did to eventually see this little trickle that soon makes a small puddle around the jack in the spare tire well.
My Fit is not usually this filthy but it's been a long winter and I'm busy. Anyway here's the area I'm talking about on the driver's side:
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On the passenger side, I've pulled the gasket off (you can do about 2 ft sections so it stays in place while you seal it):
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If you want to remove one screw and one plastic pin down on the floor and carefully pry back the interior panel you can seal this spot which is exactly where the water enters the interior:
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I didn't make a work of art out of it because the panel covers it up again anyway. If you get the gasket itself sealed the water should never get to this point but I did it anyway.:
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But back to the top you see this flange made of the overlapping sheet metal:
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You want to get silicone sealer all along the outer edge especially:
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It doesn't hurt to fill all the little seams where this metal edge overlaps itself. I went down well below where the tailight housing is:
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When you push the gasket back on, some of the sealer might squeeze out. You let it set and trim it off neatly if you want but you need to get it UNDER the gray edge of the taillight housing highlighted here: A small plastic putty knife helps or use a large screwdriver very gently:
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And lastly, if you've had the sill at the bottom edge off for any reason you need to get the rubber edge OVER that:
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Screw/button your interior panels back in place and that's it 1/2 hrs tops. Again, the roof rail is probably the main source but I had to do this as well to get it 100%. Supposed to rain all week here so the acid test is coming. Good luck

Thanks!
 

Hey everyone, just wanted to say thanks for the information on this issue. The same thing happened to my '07. I followed the information, sealed the cracks, and my spare tire well is dry again.

Cheers,
John

A different roof leak
 

Besides my Fit, I have a 1990 Integra. I have water coming in through the passive seat belt tracks along the door frame. I dropped the headliner and the ENTIRE moonroof assembly to reseal it against the roof. Didn't help at all. Now I see the Teg has the same roof rail seals as the Fit (and probably most Hondas). So, I'm now gonna try this procedure again with my antique car. Three weekends spent on the moonroof project but if this stops the leaks, I won't mind the wasted time.

Take some pics of that if you can. It'd be interesting to see if the same issue exists on a ~25-year-old Honda as well.

1990 Teg
 

Oh yeah, I will. And on the Integra forum especially. It's a common problem and I've seen 6 different possible solutions.

It's great to see all the replies but there might be an even bigger issue here: safety. If the cracks spread, it can affect the body's stability and integrity, especially if it's in a rollover collision. This is something the NHTSA should look into and consider for a recall.

I have a 2008 Fit. Same issues.
I have water in the tire well PLUS under the carper behind both front seats. Does this sound like multiple cracks or can it be from the same one?

Sounds like your rear passenger doors are leaking too...the plastic seal underneath is the culprit most likely. Reseal this plastic or try making the canopies out of aluminum tape that is described in this or another thread.

I had water in the spare tire well and underneath both seats in the back. I found a rock in the rubber gasket lining the trunk which I removed which stopped the water getting into the trunk. But the water underneath the rear seats continued, especially on the passenger side. I then sealed the crack on the roof (which was on the passenger side). This seems to have solved the water leak completely. Thanks again to everyone for the info and photos, without which I would never have been able to do this.

Just happened to be in my spare tire area today and figured I'd throw in a long-term update since the fix I mentioned/took pictures of earlier in this thread. Still nice and dry in there!

Last time I checked mine, My repairs had hold too. There's was a little bit of humidity, but it was probably rain water going in for me moving sttuf around in the trunk while it was raining. Now that spring is back I should do a little verification.

its the roof antenna. i had this issue. noticed water running down the headliner.
i pulled the headliner down removed everthing and applied silicone, re-installed, no more issues. the honda gasket and mouning system form this antena is weak and prone to leak over time.

Well, it Seem like the repairs did not hold up this winter/spring, it was find during 2014, but it seem now it is leaking again. I'm going to test if it is my repairs that cracked or because I missed a spot Or if it is the antenna, like SS rich suggested. I like my cars, but this is a annoyance.

Thanks for all the info on this problem. Looks like the BPM 08 I have has had this prob. for a while. It's from MA. last title. So that explains the hatch latch and probably bad seam sealer around the gasket?

The hatch latch is a common problem unrelated to a water leak. The bracket rusts and causes it to bind.

My problem area were cracks in the factory sealant under the roof strips. I resealed with silicone and been dry ever since. (Also don't forget to check under the whole strip. I found small cracks in the factory sealant near the windshield too.)

I guess I'm very lucky if I only have leakage from left and right into the spare tire but nothing in the rear passenger seats yet! Would you guys recommend a product like brake kleen to clean out the grit from where the weather stripping sits?

That won't fix the tire-well leak. You need to re-seal the body seam along the top of the roof.


The carpet water comes from the inside of the doors.

oh yeah i meant cleaning out the grit before applying the sealant lol because I assume the sealant likes to sit on a clean surface to actually have an effect :P

although I don't have leakage onto the carpets for now... do you think I should still try to seal from inside the doors?

In that case, yeah... wipe it with Brake Cleaner then seal with a 'flowable' sealant. (I used windshield sealant on ours) Remember, the rubber seal around the hatch opening is NOT the problem...cracks in the body seam that runs front-to-back along the roof are what lets water in.

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Regards the doors, not all the doorseals drip into the car. But, if you have floor mats it may not be that apparent...feel the carpet near the doors (especially in back) after a rain. If it feels damp, take action. (There are several Topics here explaining how to prevent door leaks)

hey guys i finally did this mod with some silicon that matched my car's color and was waterproof score! (silver)

although I did notice a tiny crack on the driver front side as well in addition to the cracks in the rear that everyone has but haven't experienced any leaks in the front as of yet (although my left door is rusted on the inside so not sure if that had anything to do with it?)

the hardest part of the repair was spreading the silicone evenly on to the surface as the clearance near the hatch and its back was kind a in a way. I used a plastic butter knife trying to spread it as even as I can but even that was too big for the gap where the weather roof strip sits!

the next day i had to look closely to where it was uneven and water may buildup if you don't make a smooth slope for the water to flow! I decided to go ahead and silicone the front of where the weather strips sits as there is a crack on my driver side (small) but none on the passenger at the moment.

I will pray when rain hits again haha, thanks for everyone that contributed to this thread!