Fit Snow Wheels + Tires
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Fit Snow Wheels + Tires
So I've lurked around this forum in the past and I know the search for aftermarket steel wheels has been tough. Last night my old man brought over some 15" steel wheels he had purchased and we checked them for proper fit on my wife's 2009 Honda Fit Sport. Everything looks good. They fit hubcentric and they seem to clear everything without any issue. If anyone is interested I can try to find out where he bought them and a part number or something.
So that brings me to the dreaded TPMS situation. If possible I'd like to have the TPMS installed on this 2nd set of wheels. Ideally I'd think buying a 2nd set of TPMS would be the way to go since switching them from wheel to wheel seems like an awful idea. So my question is this - if I buy a set of 4 TPMS sensors and installed them in these new wheels will the car or snesors have to be programmed? And if yes is it a one time thing or would I have to reprogram EVERY time I switch from summer to winter tires/wheels and vice versa. Thank you all for any information you can provide me with.
So that brings me to the dreaded TPMS situation. If possible I'd like to have the TPMS installed on this 2nd set of wheels. Ideally I'd think buying a 2nd set of TPMS would be the way to go since switching them from wheel to wheel seems like an awful idea. So my question is this - if I buy a set of 4 TPMS sensors and installed them in these new wheels will the car or snesors have to be programmed? And if yes is it a one time thing or would I have to reprogram EVERY time I switch from summer to winter tires/wheels and vice versa. Thank you all for any information you can provide me with.
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I think it's every time you swap wheels. Would be interesting to know if there is a practical way to do it. I'd love to mount some snows on my steelies.
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So how does the system work? Does every set of TPMS have their own unique ID and the reprogramming is the setting of the car to recognize the sensor you just installed? If this is the case this is an awful design - it seems unreasonable to expect people to only run one set of wheels all the time.
Many people change their oil once every couple years, how is never swapping out wheels unreasonable?
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It's incredibly common up North to have 2 sets of wheels (one winter, one non-winter). I'm not saying everyone should be doing this but it's not exactly rare either. Would you want to run snow tires year round? I'd rather not.
It'd be fine if all season tires had performance at both ends of the spectrum, but they just don't.
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Is this the procedure that could be used if the someone got new sensors or is this something particular to a brand new car?
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True. So I saw this thread: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-...erational.html
Is this the procedure that could be used if the someone got new sensors or is this something particular to a brand new car?
Is this the procedure that could be used if the someone got new sensors or is this something particular to a brand new car?
https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/fit-...tml#post733192
Has anyone actually tried out these orange sensors?
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Ah - so I think I've found my answer in this thread:
https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/fit-...tml#post733192
Has anyone actually tried out these orange sensors?
https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/fit-...tml#post733192
Has anyone actually tried out these orange sensors?
Honda really f-uped owners as the way I understand it (other than the Orange ones) you have to buy a second set of sensors and go to the dealer every time you swap wheels and pay the $75? twice a year -0r- put tape over the TPMS light on the dash when you are running your second set of wheels.
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I do not recall an 'Orange Sensor' test here but if you google it looks like some other forums members have programmed/installed them.
Honda really f-uped owners as the way I understand it (other than the Orange ones) you have to buy a second set of sensors and go to the dealer every time you swap wheels and pay the $75? twice a year -0r- put tape over the TPMS light on the dash when you are running your second set of wheels.
Honda really f-uped owners as the way I understand it (other than the Orange ones) you have to buy a second set of sensors and go to the dealer every time you swap wheels and pay the $75? twice a year -0r- put tape over the TPMS light on the dash when you are running your second set of wheels.
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good reading about the Honda TPMS
Honda TPMS Sensor Replacement
Here is a youtube on the orange programmable sensors (not to be confused with the Orange retrofit kit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-PnpWi9XYA
Honda TPMS Sensor Replacement
Here is a youtube on the orange programmable sensors (not to be confused with the Orange retrofit kit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-PnpWi9XYA
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In Canada the Fits came with a tire gauge cause we change tires twice a year. So no $75 each time.
I just bent over and got 4 Steelies from my dealer. Geez 14s are $61 and 15s are $81. Of course I needed the 15ers. Got the tires elsewhere. They are all mounted and ready to put on.
I just bent over and got 4 Steelies from my dealer. Geez 14s are $61 and 15s are $81. Of course I needed the 15ers. Got the tires elsewhere. They are all mounted and ready to put on.
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Hey guys I'm kind of a noob when it comes to cars, I was just wondering if what I'm paying is a decent price. The guy quoted me at 107$ a tire for prielli winter tires 175/65/15 but I have to buy rims with them and he wants 40$ a rim for just plain black steel. And then installation for the rims into the tire he quoted at 129$ and its done by a third party. Is it neccessary to do the balancing and all the extra stuff when putting the rim into the tire? because all these are adding up to almost spending close to a 700, which is not in my budget. Thanks!
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Hey guys I'm kind of a noob when it comes to cars, I was just wondering if what I'm paying is a decent price. The guy quoted me at 107$ a tire for prielli winter tires 175/65/15 but I have to buy rims with them and he wants 40$ a rim for just plain black steel. And then installation for the rims into the tire he quoted at 129$ and its done by a third party. Is it neccessary to do the balancing and all the extra stuff when putting the rim into the tire? because all these are adding up to almost spending close to a 700, which is not in my budget. Thanks!
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I posted this on a honda fit forum and for some reason these guys don't know. One guy also seemed to think it wouldn't be unreasonable to have to reprogram your car every time you wanted to switch rims and acted like there was something wrong with me to want to have 2 sets of wheels for a car. A real enthusiast forum there 
Here's an explaination of how the TPMS sensors have to be re-programed by a Honda tech.
you will not be able to put the TPMS system into learning mode without a visit to your dealer.
The system learns the unique radio frequencies of each of the four sensors when the vehicle is set-up from the factory. From there, it ignores all other sensor signals other than the ones it knows. So it would ignore the TPMS sensor signals that you purchased. It doesn't know the difference between new sensors installed on the vehicle or an identical vehicle driving right next to it.
At the dealer, we use our factory diagnostic system to communicate with the TPMS control unit and tell it to look for other sensor signals. Then we use the TPMS tool to activate the sensor and tell it to transmit it's unique signal. The TPMS unit receives the signal and memorized the sensor ID.... so it will know to receive future signals from that sensor.
It is confusing, but where does it leave you?
Well, you have two options...
1. Install yout snow tires on the wheels with the correct TPMS sensors, and go to the dealer and have them do a TPMS sensor ID Learn.
They will not do it for free, expect a flat rate charge of an hour or so to do this. Cost will depend on hourly labor rate at your dealer (here it is 105/hr
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2. Dismount your original tires from the wheels and swap the original TPMS sensors from the aluminum wheels into the steel wheels. Then mount the snows on the steel wheels. This way the TPMS unit will be looking for the sensors it already knows, so the dealer trip will not be required. However, a lot of extra work will go into switching the sensors.
The downside to either method is that when you switch back in the spring, you have to do it all over again. Kind of a bum deal if you ask me.
The system learns the unique radio frequencies of each of the four sensors when the vehicle is set-up from the factory. From there, it ignores all other sensor signals other than the ones it knows. So it would ignore the TPMS sensor signals that you purchased. It doesn't know the difference between new sensors installed on the vehicle or an identical vehicle driving right next to it.
At the dealer, we use our factory diagnostic system to communicate with the TPMS control unit and tell it to look for other sensor signals. Then we use the TPMS tool to activate the sensor and tell it to transmit it's unique signal. The TPMS unit receives the signal and memorized the sensor ID.... so it will know to receive future signals from that sensor.
It is confusing, but where does it leave you?
Well, you have two options...
1. Install yout snow tires on the wheels with the correct TPMS sensors, and go to the dealer and have them do a TPMS sensor ID Learn.
They will not do it for free, expect a flat rate charge of an hour or so to do this. Cost will depend on hourly labor rate at your dealer (here it is 105/hr
)2. Dismount your original tires from the wheels and swap the original TPMS sensors from the aluminum wheels into the steel wheels. Then mount the snows on the steel wheels. This way the TPMS unit will be looking for the sensors it already knows, so the dealer trip will not be required. However, a lot of extra work will go into switching the sensors.
The downside to either method is that when you switch back in the spring, you have to do it all over again. Kind of a bum deal if you ask me.
My 4 rims from Honda - $367 Cdn
My snow tires - BFG Winter Slalom 185/65x15 - $590.
The tires were $113 but then all the other stuff like valve stems and balancing, some enviroment tax and sales taxes etc add up.
My snow tires - BFG Winter Slalom 185/65x15 - $590.
The tires were $113 but then all the other stuff like valve stems and balancing, some enviroment tax and sales taxes etc add up.
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I saw my tires on Tire rack for way cheaper, I would save a tonne but I just need to know how much I would get charged if I drove to the states and brought them back. Tire rack is asking 62$ a tire and 40$ shipping to a UPS in grand forks ND. Any body know how much I would have to pay when I get to the boarder?
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