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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 12:18 AM
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MPG: why such a huge discrepancy?

I'm in the market for a 2010 fit. but i am somewhat hesitant, as i do not want to end up with one of those new fits that can't attain any better mpgs than 33. It seems that there are fits out there that aren't getting anywhere near the amazing 40+ mpg. so i'm trying to figure out if there are any clues about identifying anything that could give us some insight into why this is so (separate from driving styles of course).... has anyone been able to make any connections? I know a guy who had a fit "lemon"; it was an 08 that never acheived anything above 32mpg. he finally got fed up with it and traded it in for an accord and is getting the same mpg that he did with the fit. i told him to take it back and get another fit, as i know many fits are achieving much, much better. He has light foot, too! What are people doing that end of with a fit that's not getting the great mpgs?
 
Old Jan 20, 2010 | 12:33 AM
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my experience is that city driving MPG sucks... mid 20s at best.

lots of highway driving and you're sure to ave mid 30s... or better.

i drive 37 miles a day of mixed driving and average in the low 30s mpg.
 
Old Jan 20, 2010 | 01:06 AM
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Epa ratings are pretty accurate unless hypermiling or driving like you care about mpg.
 
Old Jan 20, 2010 | 01:15 AM
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I think any high numbers are coming from highway driving. If this guy you know was getting low numbers on the highway, either his fit was whacked or he was driving whacked, or he never hit open road. The mpgs go up drastically on the highway. City, you're looking at 28- 30 in my experience. Still very good. I go two weeks between fill ups. How can you complain about that! Mixed, you're looking at 32-35, maybe a little more if it leans more to highway driving. That is very respectable. Take a look at EPA numbers even today, in car commercials. The mileage quoted is ALWAYS highway EPA and even then, it's just 30...if that! Imagine how bad CITY is! You also have to consider your mileage for the TANK, not just the real time gauge. I can fill up and get a whopping 40 mpgs or more for a short time. I think the highest I got it was 54...for that moment...while coasting after a trip meter reset! LOL! The reality is what the numbers are over the course of a tank. The Fit gets 28- 35 and WILL do that- not just luck. If you get more, it's because of you're driving habits and an open road- and it WILL get more too.

I've said it before- the Fit is NOT a hybrid [yet]. If you want hybrid numbers, get a hybrid. I think what the Fit offers is as close as you'll come to hybrid numbers though. Good luck with your choice.
 
Old Jan 20, 2010 | 01:43 AM
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The EPA ratings are extremely off. I drive mostly city, and I absolutely cannot get lower than 33mpg. Calculated (not going off the gauge). If I drive calmly and like a sane person I can easily get 40mpg. Read around on the forums and you will see 90% of Fit owners get way over the EPA ratings.
 
Old Jan 20, 2010 | 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by qbmurderer13
The EPA ratings are extremely off. I drive mostly city, and I absolutely cannot get lower than 33mpg. Calculated (not going off the gauge). If I drive calmly and like a sane person I can easily get 40mpg. Read around on the forums and you will see 90% of Fit owners get way over the EPA ratings.

i dont know if the fuel mixture from state to state makes a difference or climate makes a difference.... but i dont push my car hard at all, and my "in town" driving in NJ only gets mid 20s mpg.

having said that, my driving is mixed (city/highway), my lifetime mpg is 31.5 mpg and that's pretty much exactly the EPA estimate as well.
 
Old Jan 20, 2010 | 02:07 AM
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 02:11 AM
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it really depends on how you drive. i have a mix of highway and city and get around 34-35mpg. including traffic
 
Old Jan 20, 2010 | 07:31 AM
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I'm at 37mpg and all country road driving, no hypermiling, no highway, and only weekends in the "City" (if you can call 15 stoplights to get to the grocery store City.

Temerature conditions will effect economy, especially when it gets really cold (My car idles about 30+ minutes/week to warm up unlike when it is warmer out).

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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 07:47 AM
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I think a lot of people are defining "city" as not being highway driving so our definitions are slightly different. Those of you who are getting 30mpg city, I'm going to guess that you mean driving in the suburbs. That usually means longer stretches of road before stop lights/signs and generally better paved roads.

When I talk about city driving, I'm talking about driving in the heart of the city. That means a few hundred feet between stop lights, stop-and-go traffic, and the need to accelerate hard when pulling into traffic. The best I've done so far is 25mpg.

If any of you actually drive in the city and are doing better, please tell me what you're doing to get that kind of fuel economy.
 
Old Jan 20, 2010 | 07:59 AM
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I am getting consistently 34-35 avg (I drive about 50% city and 50% highway). I don't do anything special to increase mileage and my car has less than 1000 miles so perhaps that will improve. My city driving is not as much stop and go though because I live in an area with only a few congested spots. Otherwise, you can cruise at 40+ without many stops.
 
Old Jan 20, 2010 | 08:19 AM
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Cars are made in factories. Manufacturing tolerances are negligible. Driving conditions and the driver are the two biggest factors as far as MPG are concerned. If you're getting shitty mileage, either your car is broken, your foot is too heavy, or you live in a mountaineous region. Winter blend gas can also have an adverse impact on mileage.

Don't blame Honda.
 
Old Jan 20, 2010 | 09:04 AM
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I Think some of it is the age thing. I am 50 + and drive more reasonable speeds. I also have a 5 speed manual. I often read posts here claiming red line speeds,and highway speeds of 70+ by members. Speeds over 70 reduce the Fit's gas mileage {personal experimentation & experience} Driving the actual 65mph limit on our limited access roads of Pa, I can obtain up to 43mpg in summer,and 38-39mpg in cold weather. Mixed driving I have NEVER gotten less then 33mpg,even in winter with winter tires on. Mixed driving in warm weather yields 36-37mpg on average. I don't do a lot of constant city driving to give any real #'s.



I am amazed by posters that get less then 30mpg. What do you do, drive around in 3rd gear??? Drive totally loaded to vehicle capacity all the time?? Red line each gear?? I find skipping 4th{sometimes},and shifting into 5th at speeds over 35mph,not hard on the car,and yield great mileage. I also tend to back off the throttle,and allow the Fit to coast in gear to a stop,instead of on the gas to last minute,and then hammer brakes typical of younger drivers{also see brake pad wear complaint posts}

Pennsylvania has advertising now aimed at high speed drivers wasting gas. I also heard there may be a bill introduced to lower limited access highways back to 55 to conserve gas,like in the 70's because of oil companies production shortfalls to conserve resources.

How you drive is up to you,I don't care. I am extremely happy with my Fit's gas milage. I have nearly hybrid mileage,without the hybrid price.

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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 09:11 AM
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If my commute was flat, I'd probably get closer to 33 MPG, but as is I'm getting between 30 and 31.7. If I get off of work in a bad mood, I'll see as low as 29, but that was after several full throttle starts and driving just a little bit faster than Uncle Sam intended....>.<
 
Old Jan 20, 2010 | 09:14 AM
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And i probably should add I'm not complaining about my mileage and I know it's my fault I'm getting that mileage, but it's so much fun to let it wind up.
 
Old Jan 20, 2010 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PaFitter
I am amazed by posters that get less then 30mpg. What do you do, drive around in 3rd gear??? Drive totally loaded to vehicle capacity all the time?? Red line each gear?? I find skipping 4th{sometimes},and shifting into 5th at speeds over 35mph,not hard on the car,and yield great mileage. I also tend to back off the throttle,and allow the Fit to coast in gear to a stop,instead of on the gas to last minute,and then hammer brakes typical of younger drivers{also see brake pad wear complaint posts}
I'm 28, but couldn't agree with you more. I'm at 36.23mpg average over the 18k miles my 2009 Fit Sport MT has traveled - with a high tank mpg of 42.xx and a low of 27.xx, so I've seen quite a range of average tank mileages, and know the conditions that yielded each number. The Fit's mileage drops like a rock above 65mph on the highway. The 27.xx tanks (two full tanks in a row) were all highway, with the cruise set at 80 - in Canada in November (likely a winter mixture, and I'm not sure if New Brunswick/Nova Scotia gas sucks, because I've never seen mpg like that, and probably never will again). The 42.xx tanks were a mix of rural PA roads, minimal stoplight-to-stoplight driving, and highway with the cruise set at 60. Cruise at 65, plus reserved acceleration (shift at 2-2.5k RPM, medium throttle) yields me ~40mpg in the warmer months, ~37mpg during the winter. AC usage also causes a definite drop of several miles per gallon.

I track every tank, tire pressure, driving conditions, etc... I'm convinced the differences people are posting are due to either driving conditions, heavy AC usage, driving style, or a combination of all 3.
 
Old Jan 20, 2010 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PaFitter


I am amazed by posters that get less then 30mpg. What do you do, drive around in 3rd gear??? Drive totally loaded to vehicle capacity all the time?? Red line each gear?? I find skipping 4th{sometimes},and shifting into 5th at speeds over 35mph,not hard on the car,and yield great mileage. I also tend to back off the throttle,and allow the Fit to coast in gear to a stop,instead of on the gas to last minute,and then hammer brakes typical of younger drivers{also see brake pad wear complaint posts}
Less than 30mpg in stop and go city driving with top speeds of 35mph is entirely normal. (EPA rating of 28 City). Some will get less, some will get more.

The problem is the definition of city driving. Most think if they're driving in a city that's city driving when they're really driving under ideal conditions; steady speeds, few stops.

My normal routine I consistently get 34mpg. This is mostly on freeways with a fair bit of slowing down (metro Atlanta). A long weekend when I'm driving "surface streets" to publix and back I get 27mpg.

The other issue isn't just people's driving habits (hypermiling) but their hyperbole. Take extreme mpg, low or high, with a grain-o-salt. Consider the type of car this is. It garners enthusiast "tuners" that drive the crap out of it, hypermilers that get out and push half the time. Stingy old farts like us that "just drive normal," and a large portion of first time car owners.
 
Old Jan 20, 2010 | 09:54 AM
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The most accurate total info you can get is to go to the Eco-Fit section and study the 2 MPG polls (the AT one and the MT) The 2 gens of Fits are similar I know as I have owned both. I say that because I think the polls have the 2 gens mixed together.
I can tell you that the revised in 08 EPA equations are way off for the MT, and if you total up some poll averages appear to be somewhat closer for the AT. I average about 38MPG with 20% city, now with my winter blizzaks on for a month it seems to have dropped by 2 (although some of that is because of warming up my car for comfort on really cold days) MT Sport 20K miles
 

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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 10:53 AM
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My normal routine I consistently get 34mpg. This is mostly on freeways with a fair bit of slowing down (metro Atlanta). A long weekend when I'm driving "surface streets" to publix and back I get 27mpg.
YOU LIE!!!

You know out of the last 20 tanks you only got about 4 with more than 33 mpg. The rest were all between 30.5 and 32.5. You're rationalizing "if traffic were a touch better and you didn't make that extra trip for a gallon of milk yesterday" all your tanks would have been 34 mpg. The Truth is you really get about 32mpg on average.

See how easy it is? And if you add in the software bug (for those that don't manually calculate their mpg) in the Fit's mpg computer that added 10-15% to mpg (fixed with PCM reflash recently) with people's propensity to take their best figures and present them as average you can easily get a systematic distortion of 15%-20% over what the Fit actually achieves.

Coupled with the wildly divergent demographics of this group you're going to get numbers all over the place.

Go by the EPA ratings and you won't be disappointed.
 
Old Jan 20, 2010 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mrmatte
I'm in the market for a 2010 fit. but i am somewhat hesitant, as i do not want to end up with one of those new fits that can't attain any better mpgs than 33. It seems that there are fits out there that aren't getting anywhere near the amazing 40+ mpg. so i'm trying to figure out if there are any clues about identifying anything that could give us some insight into why this is so (separate from driving styles of course).... has anyone been able to make any connections? I know a guy who had a fit "lemon"; it was an 08 that never acheived anything above 32mpg. he finally got fed up with it and traded it in for an accord and is getting the same mpg that he did with the fit. i told him to take it back and get another fit, as i know many fits are achieving much, much better. He has light foot, too! What are people doing that end of with a fit that's not getting the great mpgs?
The easiest explanation is your friend was rationalizing getting rid of the Fit for the Accord (sounds like he bought the wrong car in the first place) and is comparing his best mileage from the Accord with the worst from his Fit.
 



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