Why did you buy a M/T Fit?
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From: NYC
I don't know how to drive an auto.
With MT you can anticipate the traffic and so have the power there when you need it. With AT there’s always that painful lag while it figures out what you want. And then when it gives it to you about 20% of the power is lost in the tranny.
And people pay more for this?
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From: right coast
I chose a MT Fit because it requires a person to actually drive a car. MT automobiles are for people who derive pleasure from driving and knowing when and what gear to be in for all driving situations. Driving a MT automobile requires driver interaction at all times which leads to a much more cautious driver. I hate driving behind a soccer mom driving her snoozamatic minivan chatting away on her mobile or texting and not paying attention to her driving.
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i've had a lot of cars and my favorites were always stick shift. Just the control and i feel like i'm more aware when driving. Plus it helps you maintain focus since both hands are being used almost all the time. So you can't mess around with your phone or other things
I love manual and can never see myself doing another auto car.
I love manual and can never see myself doing another auto car.
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From: Englewood
[QUOTE=YouKantPimpInaKIA;1183847]With the Direct Couple Torque Converter and 5 speeds forward, the A/T has more possible forward gear combinations than the M/T 
And when the converter is not locked up, there is slippage.
It would be nice if you could keep the converter locked up, and trans in 5th gear, when cruising in 5th gear. Like at 60 mph, and you want to pass another car, and the engine has enough torque at that rpm, to accelerate in 5th (converter locked) to do the job, but, no, the trans unlocks the converter, and shifts down to a lower gear.
Stay in 5th gear, damnit.
And when the converter is not locked up, there is slippage.
It would be nice if you could keep the converter locked up, and trans in 5th gear, when cruising in 5th gear. Like at 60 mph, and you want to pass another car, and the engine has enough torque at that rpm, to accelerate in 5th (converter locked) to do the job, but, no, the trans unlocks the converter, and shifts down to a lower gear.
Stay in 5th gear, damnit.
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From: IL
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Oh god! If that's the worst thing that happens to me.....I'll get over it. I can't believe how many folks buy this thing for performance.....or expect that from this car. It's an economy car folks. Really!
With the Direct Couple Torque Converter and 5 speeds forward, the A/T has more possible forward gear combinations than the M/T
And when the converter is not locked up, there is slippage.
It would be nice if you could keep the converter locked up, and trans in 5th gear, when cruising in 5th gear. Like at 60 mph, and you want to pass another car, and the engine has enough torque at that rpm, to accelerate in 5th (converter locked) to do the job, but, no, the trans unlocks the converter, and shifts down to a lower gear. Stay in 5th gear, damnit.
And when the converter is not locked up, there is slippage.
It would be nice if you could keep the converter locked up, and trans in 5th gear, when cruising in 5th gear. Like at 60 mph, and you want to pass another car, and the engine has enough torque at that rpm, to accelerate in 5th (converter locked) to do the job, but, no, the trans unlocks the converter, and shifts down to a lower gear.
Stay in 5th gear, damnit.
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From: Englewood
I just hate stepping on the gas to pass someone, either with my foot, or cruise control, and have the trans drop a gear or 2 and have the engine rev so high, it sound like it's going to blow up.
I guess I don't like beating on my car.
I guess I don't like beating on my car.
Doing anything that you'd expect a car to do in day to day driving is not beating on the car. It is designed to do that stuff. Don't worry so much. You're doing more damage lugging the motor in 5th trying to pass than revving out 4th and passing like you're supposed to.
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From: Englewood
You don't get it, and that's ok
Doing anything that you'd expect a car to do in day to day driving is not beating on the car. It is designed to do that stuff. Don't worry so much. You're doing more damage lugging the motor in 5th trying to pass than revving out 4th and passing like you're supposed to.
Doing anything that you'd expect a car to do in day to day driving is not beating on the car. It is designed to do that stuff. Don't worry so much. You're doing more damage lugging the motor in 5th trying to pass than revving out 4th and passing like you're supposed to.
At 50 mph, and I step on the gas to pass, in 5th gear, the engine is hardly lugging!
Project 2009 Honda Fit Dyno Run Photo 6
The car is barely making 70hp at 4k. VTEC is barely coming into play there. The motor is designed to rev, stop worrying about it. If you're worried about winding out the motor you picked the wrong car. This is not an old V8 that redlines at 5k.
Also if you're going 50mph in 5th and you're trying to pass by stomping on the gas then yes you are lugging it. Downshifting to 4th is much more efficient (both for power and economy). When you floor the throttle in 5th all you're doing is dumping a shit ton of fuel for no reason.
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From: WV
When I looked at Fits I asked for a manual. I wanted to increment the amount of fun in my life. Test drove a shiny red Sport with a fat salesman riding shotgun. The car seemed underpowered (but it was probably my reluctance to rev it higher than four grand, being new and all). Coupled with the awkward rev-hang and clutch delay valve it wasn't a fun experience. My ATL commute does not require a MT to be fun (hallucinogens have helped). The A/T is well behaved (a small engine really needs lots of shifts to be in its zone of happiness). I steal my son's miata when I feel the need to row gears.
Why do you feel the need to hold a gear when shifting is normally called for? This is provided for with the Sport's paddles if you desire the non-shifting, non-clutching experience. People are dying for 6pd manuals so they get that extra shift exercise.
Why do you feel the need to hold a gear when shifting is normally called for? This is provided for with the Sport's paddles if you desire the non-shifting, non-clutching experience. People are dying for 6pd manuals so they get that extra shift exercise.
I'm sure the MT Fit is a fun ride, but I find my AT does everything I need in traffic and it gets awesome gas mileage as well.
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From: New Mexico
OK, I probably skew all the stats here. My last auto tranny car was a '71 Buick Skylark GS. Every single car since then has had a stick: a Dodge, two Toyotas and another Honda before the Fit.
Three reasons. 1. Better fuel economy. 2. Less complicated than an automatic, less to go wrong. 3. It's just fun to row through the gears.
Three reasons. 1. Better fuel economy. 2. Less complicated than an automatic, less to go wrong. 3. It's just fun to row through the gears.
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From: Cary, NC
My 2013 Fit Sport MT replaced my 1999 Saturn SW2 MT. I like an MT because I feel more in control, MTs are usually more gas efficient, MTs tend not to break (vs ATs) and, with these small engines, the MT usually has more available power. Also, in case of battery trouble, they can be started easily by pushing.
My 2013 Fit replaced my 1999 Saturn SW2 manual. I like the MT because I feel more in control, MTs are usually more gas efficient, MTs tend not to break (vs ATs) and, with these small engines, the MT usually has more power. Also, in case of battery trouble they can be started easily by pushing.
Not in this case. Just more control over use of that power, versus the cars computer making those choices for you based on your inputs.
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From: Englewood
Here, check this out:
Project 2009 Honda Fit Dyno Run Photo 6
The car is barely making 70hp at 4k. VTEC is barely coming into play there. The motor is designed to rev, stop worrying about it. If you're worried about winding out the motor you picked the wrong car. This is not an old V8 that redlines at 5k.
Also if you're going 50mph in 5th and you're trying to pass by stomping on the gas then yes you are lugging it. Downshifting to 4th is much more efficient (both for power and economy). When you floor the throttle in 5th all you're doing is dumping a shit ton of fuel for no reason.
Project 2009 Honda Fit Dyno Run Photo 6
The car is barely making 70hp at 4k. VTEC is barely coming into play there. The motor is designed to rev, stop worrying about it. If you're worried about winding out the motor you picked the wrong car. This is not an old V8 that redlines at 5k.
Also if you're going 50mph in 5th and you're trying to pass by stomping on the gas then yes you are lugging it. Downshifting to 4th is much more efficient (both for power and economy). When you floor the throttle in 5th all you're doing is dumping a shit ton of fuel for no reason.
From what I have read (not that I believe everything I read online) VTEC doesn't come on until 5400 rpm.
Also, if I'm doing 50 and want to pass, I wouldn't "stomp on the gas" Not needed to increase speed enough. I know when the engine is lugging, and I agree that it's not good for an engine.