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Old Apr 24, 2018 | 02:14 PM
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6 speed?

will a 6 speed from a gk work in a ge? would it even be worth it to swap one in?
 
Old May 2, 2018 | 02:30 PM
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I'm curious too! I wonder if anyone has tried it...?
 
Old May 4, 2018 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by invalid
will a 6 speed from a gk work in a ge?
I don't know.

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would it even be worth it to swap one in?
This one is very easy -> NO !!!
It would be a complete waste of time & money.
Google search the gearing ratios of the 5-speed GE and the 6-speed GK and you will understand why.

If you're too lazy to Google it, basically the ratios of the 5th gear GE is equal to the 6th gear GK, which makes this completely redundant. Long term you will only end up changing gears more often and potentially wearing out your clutch throw-out bearings or clutch plates sooner as a result.
 

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Old May 4, 2018 | 11:45 PM
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IMHO if the 6 speed will Work and the final gear ratios ARE the same it will be worth it, you will have greater acceleration 1-5 and the still good mileage with the matching ratio. This has been proven many times with RSX/EP3s the 5 and 6 speed have the same final gear ratio but the ratios on the 6 speed between are much shorter a 6 speed car acclerates faster than a 5 speed. I believe it would be an even more noticeable difference on a car with such low power like the fit. If it fit I would do it no questions asked, wearing out my clutch and shifting are of no concern to me.
 
Old May 5, 2018 | 08:47 AM
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It is not worth it.

Not even a little bit.

Even if it is straight swap. (which I doubt)
 
Old May 7, 2018 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cutsheal5
IMHO if the 6 speed will Work and the final gear ratios ARE the same it will be worth it, you will have greater acceleration 1-5 and the still good mileage with the matching ratio. This has been proven many times with RSX/EP3s the 5 and 6 speed have the same final gear ratio but the ratios on the 6 speed between are much shorter a 6 speed car acclerates faster than a 5 speed. I believe it would be an even more noticeable difference on a car with such low power like the fit. If it fit I would do it no questions asked, wearing out my clutch and shifting are of no concern to me.
Are you able to quantify this improvement, even ballpark it?
Could one hope to get as much as 10% faster acceleration with the 6 speed over 5 speed?

While this may be true for racing applications where a fraction of a second is considered a great improvement, in regular driving you won't feel any difference. Even if you have a sensitive and well calibrated butt-meter, you likely won't feel this 10% improvement on your daily commute.

And I believe the opposite to be true in that a 5 to 6 speed swap would be more beneficial and noticeable in a car with a powerful engine and not in an eco car with a tiny engine. Maybe I'm wrong about this one, but my logic is this:

10% improvement out of a 117 hp engine = 12 hp extra
10% improvement out of a 420 hp engine = 42 hp extra
While you're likely not going to notice the extra 12 hp, the 42 hp should be noticeable in any car.
 

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Old May 7, 2018 | 03:24 PM
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it was just a thought. thanks for chiming in everyone. i for some reason didnt even look up the gear ratios. i guedss its back to deciding if im going to kswap or sell lol. i love my fit but the lack of power has bothered me for a while now.i thought maybe a 6 sdpeed would make it feel a bit quicker. even if it does i dont think it would be worth the cost.
 
Old May 9, 2018 | 12:42 PM
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invalid, did you really buy the Fit because it was fast & furious, or fun to drive?



I think people get the Fit for completely different reasons:
* economical to purchase & maintain
* reliable
* very practical in terms of cargo carrying capacity
* amazing in the city (nimble, great visibility, easy to park & fits into tight places)
* good on gas

No car is perfect and you likely won't find everything you want in any one single car. It's all about the compromising and prioritizing.

Rather than spending lots of money on "improving" the Fit, I believe the best option is to buy another car that was designed for driving enthusiastically (sporty coupe) and keeping the Fit for everything else.
 

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Old May 9, 2018 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrei_ierdnA
invalid, did you really buy the Fit because it was fast & furious, or fun to drive?



I think people get the Fit for completely different reasons:
* economical to purchase & maintain
* reliable
* very practical in terms of cargo carrying capacity
* amazing in the city (nimble, great visibility, easy to park & fits into tight places)
* good on gas

No car is perfect and you likely won't find everything you want in any one single car. It's all about the compromising and prioritizing.

Rather than spending lots of money on "improving" the Fit, I believe the best option is to buy another car that was designed for driving enthusiastically (sporty coupe) and keeping the Fit for everything else.
It must be nice to be able to afford a car for every purpose. There are those of us who cannot, and those of us who don't wish to overly complicate our lives with a plethora of "stuff".
 
Old May 9, 2018 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Gary
It must be nice to be able to afford a car for every purpose. There are those of us who cannot, and those of us who don't wish to overly complicate our lives with a plethora of "stuff".
I do not believe in 'stuff' either. However, I love cars.

No cars does everything.

I don't make a bunch of money.

But I make time, money & space for the things that really matter.

In my case, those things are books, cars & little else.

The poster above makes a good point.

The Fit serves many purposes extremely well. So it may be wise to do as recommended.
 
Old May 9, 2018 | 07:14 PM
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Why would a 6 speed not benefit? Keep in mind that generally Si models had six speeds, an extra cog, despite having more power. More gears means closer to the best part of the power band at any speed. Of course there is diminishing returns from extra gears: I felt six was unnecessary when it started to become common.

An uncommon mod to the 2nd gen crv was adding a higher sixth gear out of a TSX - crvs revved far too high on the highway. There was room in the case for a sixth gear, it just wasn't used in the low spec trans models! Why uncommon? It was a big pain ...
 
Old May 9, 2018 | 08:34 PM
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the improvement will only be miniscule..
 
Old May 9, 2018 | 11:26 PM
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Better question... Why not look into importing and using the GE8 RS 6 speed transmission? Its already known to work with the L15A7... Just not certain if the transmission bell housing is the same as the US and Canada spec models we have in North America.
 
Old May 10, 2018 | 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrei_ierdnA
invalid, did you really buy the Fit because it was fast & furious, or fun to drive?



I think people get the Fit for completely different reasons:
* economical to purchase & maintain
* reliable
* very practical in terms of cargo carrying capacity
* amazing in the city (nimble, great visibility, easy to park & fits into tight places)
* good on gas

No car is perfect and you likely won't find everything you want in any one single car. It's all about the compromising and prioritizing.

Rather than spending lots of money on "improving" the Fit, I believe the best option is to buy another car that was designed for driving enthusiastically (sporty coupe) and keeping the Fit for everything else.
i didnt buy it cause i thought it would be fast. i bought it thinking it would be at least quick. my old eg was close to the same power but never felt as slow as the fit. if the car had say 140-150 hp i wouldnt complain. its slow to go up hills and i live near a lot of them. i dont mind doing a kswap. i think it would make the car even more fun than it is on flat ground.getting the parts isnt too bad for price the biggest issue i have run into is how to make the gauge cluster work. also i think a k20 or k24 with a 02-04 rsx 6 speed would be nice on the highway as well. not trying to make a race car just one thats more fun. i really like the fit its fun to drive just needs a bump in power. im used to my 4wd gsr powered wagon so maybe thats why the fit feels so slow.
 
Old May 10, 2018 | 10:59 AM
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Perhaps consider a Supercharger setup instead of a motor swap? Might be more fun, and a bit easier. Ultimately, its your car, have fun with it and take pics along the way!
 
Old May 10, 2018 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluepunk18
Perhaps consider a Supercharger setup instead of a motor swap? Might be more fun, and a bit easier. Ultimately, its your car, have fun with it and take pics along the way!
i did consider the supercharger kit as well. i think it would be great. the power level seems like it would be great as well. my only concern with the super charger kit is that i would be maxed out if i ever have the desire for more. with a k swap i can always add a turbo or supercharger and make more power . ive had several hi powered hatchbacks and i really enjoy them. nothing is set in stone as of yet. right now im deciding what im going to do. the k24 isnt going anywhere if it doesnt go in the fit there is always my wagon...or the next one lol.
 
Old May 10, 2018 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Gary
It must be nice to be able to afford a car for every purpose. There are those of us who cannot, and those of us who don't wish to overly complicate our lives with a plethora of "stuff".
Yes, Uncle Gary, it fully agree with you - it must be nice to afford that!
I too am one of those who cannot afford that privilege.
1 car, 1 bedroom apartment, 1 girlfriend and 1 dog.
Girlfriend doesn't even have a car.

A minimalist lifestyle is key to happiness in this consumerist society in which we're being constantly brainwashed that we need a huge house, big SUV or truck, that newest iPhone because last years' is simply not good enough anymore, etc.

However being a car enthusiast I like to dream of a sporty car, an off-road one and a motorcycle, jet-ski and snowmobile, boat and bla-bla-bla ... wait a second, am I turning into a consumerist sheep too?
 

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Old May 10, 2018 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by fujisawa
Why would a 6 speed not benefit? Keep in mind that generally Si models had six speeds, an extra cog, despite having more power. More gears means closer to the best part of the power band at any speed. Of course there is diminishing returns from extra gears: I felt six was unnecessary when it started to become common.

An uncommon mod to the 2nd gen crv was adding a higher sixth gear out of a TSX - crvs revved far too high on the highway. There was room in the case for a sixth gear, it just wasn't used in the low spec trans models! Why uncommon? It was a big pain ...
Because the six speed in the GK is awkwardly spaced in a way that doesn't have any real benefits?

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i didnt buy it cause i thought it would be fast. i bought it thinking it would be at least quick. my old eg was close to the same power but never felt as slow as the fit. if the car had say 140-150 hp i wouldnt complain. its slow to go up hills and i live near a lot of them. i dont mind doing a kswap. i think it would make the car even more fun than it is on flat ground.getting the parts isnt too bad for price the biggest issue i have run into is how to make the gauge cluster work. also i think a k20 or k24 with a 02-04 rsx 6 speed would be nice on the highway as well. not trying to make a race car just one thats more fun. i really like the fit its fun to drive just needs a bump in power. im used to my 4wd gsr powered wagon so maybe thats why the fit feels so slow.
Did you not TEST DRIVE IT?
 
Old May 10, 2018 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
the improvement will only be miniscule..
I agree ...
 
Old May 13, 2018 | 12:13 AM
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Did you not TEST DRIVE IT?[/QUOTE]
yeah i tested it. i thought it would be good enough but now i would like more. i dont mind building a car up. i enjoy the whole process and i do it as i can afford it.
 



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