After major drop, positive camber. WTF? Pics Inside.
 

Hey guys,

I love my Fit and I especially love my drop.

BEFORE ANYTHING
All your help, knowledge, and insight on this is definitely appreciated. So thank you in advance.

Suspension
Buddy Club N+ Coilovers

Question
Has anyone here, preferably with a GE8, ever experienced positive camber when dropping their car?

Fact?
Normally when lowering a vehicle, a negative camber occurs. Notice my question mark on Fact. LOL. But I have read on lowering vehicles and the effect on tire positioning when lowering, messes the toe alignment and the camber alignment in a negative position.

In My Case
A positive camber occured. Not to a crazy degree visibly, but its still positive.

Solution?
Camber bolts must be the solution. If so, which ones? Please dont ask me to search it as I already did and members are all over the place as to which to go with. I have seen everything from using GD3 camber bolts to using Si camber bolts. Has anyone actually tested, with proven results, any camber bolts for their GE8?

Answers to your Possible Questions
1)Have you gotten your alignment after your drop and in what time frame? Yes, after putting 100-200 miles on the new setup.

2)How low did you go on your new setup?
2-2.5 inches in the front. 2.5-3 inches in the rear.

3)Is that a Toe alignment issue I notice on the picture you provided below?
No. That is my steering wheel turned oh so slightly to the left when I left the car in park. :)

4)How did you go that low?
PM me. :)

5)Can you go lower?
In the front, yes. About another inch. In the rear, no.

6) <BLANK>
Left blank for future questions. LOL.

Pictures
You probably cannot see the positive camber from the pics, but some of you maybe interested to know as to why my wheels are so straight with such an aggresive drop.

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SPC makes camber bolts for the front of our cars. Can't do nothing for rear.

Camber bolts will fix. Might need two sets in front. Rear has to be shimmed. Why you have positive? Maybe due to the fact fit has negative from factory. Maybe coils corrected that? Sounds wierd, but thats all I can come up with.


Off that drop is super sexy.

2 sets? It should be 1 bolt per side and SPC lists them as both being included. Also you can not whom the GE8. To change rear alignment you would need to modify the axle... cutting and welding along with big $$$

Sorry whom should be weld... my phone changed the text :(

I do belive you are correct on the ge rear. It is not like our gd. However for the front yes two sets. Replace both bolts with spc (or other) to achieve maximum negative camber. One set of bolts will give you so called -1.75degrees. However on the rack will only give you about -1. So do both bolts to achieve -2. Stock is -.8 i belive, so if your positve camber. You need both to get -1 or more. Google for the back, I cant help there.

Also if you use SPC bolts they recomend replacing them for each alignment. One alignment per set.

Thanks for your input guys. I have no issues with the rear. They're slightly negative and I'm happy with that. It's the fronts I was worried about. I'm going to purchase the spc bolts.

Who sells the spc bolts?

Try Amazon?

I know assaultech.com sells them! I got mine from there and they give forum discount !

ebay.com = alot cheaper

Thanks for replies :)

How is the ride at that height ?

Sorry, but this is impossible with the GE, or any other suspension design unless your coilovers have adjustable camber correction. I don't know how you could install them wrong for this to happen either. :confused:

1st off the car looks great. But here are some more question.

Who did the install?
could something be installed wrong?
was it that way before the alignment?

Good Luck!

Awesome. I have the Adjustability in the front set at 8 which is about the middle and the rears set at 13 in the soft side. Rides great.

I understand why you would be confused too lol. But there is no camber correction on any of the coilover kits offered for the GE8. But what i do know for a fact is that i installed the suspension correctly. I am very familiar with coilover setups and installs on many applications. Fortunately, those other applications had camber adjustment from the camber plate. Unfortunately, the GE8 dont allow them on the coilovers themselves. Camber bolts will be necessary, which just arrived and I will be installing soon.

Thanks!

And as for your questions, I did the install and nothing was installed wrong. The install was easy and very straight forward. The car did not have positive camber before installing the coilovers.


In response to everyone, I will be installing the camber bolts very soon and will keep everyone posted incase you guys come across this issue yourselves in the future. I will try to do a How To: with the bolts on the Fit.

It is unclear how you know you have positive camber, because it looks similar to other lowered fits...
Do you have the spec sheet from the alignment shop that shows the positive camber, or are you just going off of how it looks?

Also, you can get honda camber bolts for the civic that work as well on the fit.

^ good question

my buddy club coilovers make my front go out of aligment like once every 3 monthes

IDk what year or model VW it is but there are once out there that will get positive camber when there lowered, but for the msot part when you lower a car it gets negative camber

sorry to bump this thread but i too installed my coilovers and gave me positive camber T_T. .4degs driver side and .3degs passenger side.

OP did camber bolts fix the issue? kinda weird to me since usually when you lower your car, it should give negative camber

Yup. Camber bolts solved it!

One thing to consider is that if you have lowered the car enough to get positive camber, that mean either the bolt holes on the new struts are off (hopefully) or that you have lowered the car so far that it's FAR outside it's proper camber curve to handle well.... meaning if it sits statically (still) in a position where any further compression of the spring will provide for positive camber, then you will have an absolutely retarded handling balance. Might want to consider raising the front a bit.... that's what most guys do on track cars when that happens because best performance is had where the suspension geometry is proper, even if it means the center of gravity is a little higher.....

And from a technical point of view, when you lower a strut car, you increase the roll couple (the length between the roll center and center of gravity), and that makes the front of the car want to roll more, thus making it understeer more usually. So, it's a double negative. So, running the front of the Fit a touch higher than "slammed" is definitely a good idea.

Hope that helps a few of you who care about your handling. :)
Chris

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Ding ding ding.

since the upper knuckle hole is elongated, did you check this? you shouldn't use a camber bolt with an elongated hole that 's already designed to give you more camber...

funny this is i'm on 17s and runing a 45 series tire.. only having around 1.5-2 finger gap so i think i'm far from slammed

still getting positive camber though.. weird.

that is odd. and it's pretty tough to make a mistake on the install on this car...

Car looks great!
Sorted it out yet?

It has to be the way the holes are drilled on the strut then... nothing else (and I mean not a single other thing) will affect camber on the Fit.

Chris

Thanks!

Yup. After putting new wheels on the car i bought the camber bolts and they solved the issue. They've been perfect since.