OK, I'm a little paranoid, but... I'm in the middle of This Is How They Tell Me the World Ends, by an NYT infosec writer -- it's all about zero-day vulnerabilities, hackers, the zero-day exploit market, and all that.

So I got to wondering: How far down that road are we, with a 2019 Fit? Does it have any wireless signaling going on at all? Does it phone home to give Honda (or my local dealer) any info about how it's doing? And -- the important question -- is there any conceivable way it could be taken over and crashed (literally) by a wireless attack, as can happen with some cars (e.g., a certain Jeep Cherokee hack mentioned in the book)?

If this has been covered before, just send me to the right thread -- I've been scarce lately, mostly because... I don't drive much lately! Since Covid, I've only driven a few miles at a time, with my company going to permanent WFH. The car's almost 2-1/2 years old and doesn't even have 10K miles on the clock! But anyhow, how wired (or not) is a '19 Fit?

Urb

 

Any computer can be hacked. All cars today have computers, so any modern car can be hacked as well. Only way to avoid this is to drive a car without a computer. You'll need to go back to the pre-OBDII days (before 1996? if memory serves) for one of those.

Maybe the bigger question is, why would someone want to hack your Fit? It's an entry-level model and not particularly a theft magnet. In my city, the big theft magnets are certain Kia and Hyundai models of the last decade with a major safety flaw - they can be started without a key. All you need to do is gain interior access, work your voodoo and you're gone. Major problem where I live, as these vehicles are then used in crimes or totaled in joyrides. So for those models, yeah, there's an incentive, but I can't think of a theft incentive for the Fit.

 

Ya -- but I'm not asking about stealing the car. I'm asking about this sort of thing:

https://www.wired.com/video/watch/ha...e-on-a-highway

(By the way, I also own an old BMW bike -- which doesn't have a key! Most people don't know that. Also, not much financial incentive to steal, but still, a key would be nice!)

 

So you're worried that someone will hack your Fit while it's in operation. What exactly would be the purpose of such a hacking? I'm going back to my entry-level car theory. Not worth the bother.

 

I'm just curious, is all. All kinds of people do various things just because they can. So my question was intended to be pretty simple: Is there a way to do this to a Fit? Not, is it likely to happen, what's the financial incentive, why would anyone do such a thing... just... Can it be done, or not?

 

It's virtually impossible to do with the Fit because the capability just isn't there. The Fit has a very low level of electronics/software. If it doesn't have self driving capability to begin with you can't hack it can you? The Tesla, now that's a different story. It has all kinds of capabilities. It may be locked down with passwords and built in security but sooner or later someone will find a way..... And there are other cars putting in Tesla like capabilities. I actually have more confidence in Tesla than I would have in the other guys.

 

Agree with the posters in this thread. While it may be possible to hack a Fit, there might not be much profit (reason) in doing it. Is Honda or your dealer actively monitoring your car? That would require a commitment of money and manpower. Not sure they are trying to make a buck that way. However, your car may be recording a lot of data that the dealer, or anyone, could download at some point. Lastly, joyriders and mischief-makers may be able to hack your Fit, but, statistically speaking, that might not be much of a threat to you. EDIT: Auto theft is up 48% this year in Los Angeles.

Four guys with a pickup truck can steal your motorcycle, ese. Old school. No computer knowledge required.

 

personally i think the self driving vehicle , if it ever happens , is a disaster waiting to happen , even a remote start has been shown to be hackable , but the fit doesn't have any autonomous capabilities that i know of . in that respect , i guess it's somewhat off the grid , except , of course , if you have GPS , or a cell phone in your car . ah , modern life !

 

Letting humans behind the wheel of vehicles has proven to be a disaster every single day. I'd rather have a computer driving.

 

Two words: Boston Winter. Autonomous works great in Palo Alto, but not here.

OK, I'm satisfied that my Fit is not going to be hacked. I never thought it was; but was curious as to what could be done via cell to the entertainment system a la the Cherokee, etc. As for financial incentive, well, there's no financial incentive to boost a car and go joyriding... so no one ever does it!

 

The most obvious vector i can think of would be RF hijacking one of the fits that works with a keyfob in proximity. ...but im not certain that would be easy or cheap. Some one who is smart enough to do this, likely won't; nor is a fit a high value target. Youre probably ok.

 

Ha. Howdy neighbor. Iirc the rear window being smashed won’t set of alarms on that era hyundais. That in combo with the lack of immobilizer, stunning that anyone will ever buy a hyundai/kia again.

The Tesla autopilot videos where the car just steers at pedestrians really gives me a lot of faith.

 

I just watched this YouTube video a few days ago on the Tesla self driving feature. It's quite hilarious at times. Tesla's much tooted self driving feature is worse than I had imagined. After all the time and money they've spent developing it it should have been better.

 

Tesla may call it self-driving but it's not.
30,000 people die in car accidents every year in America. I think computers would reduce that, even if they make their own, different, mistakes.

Re Boston winters- self-driving cars would probably be better than drivers because they may better detect black ice and they wouldn't think they're invincible because they have four wheel drive. And I'll take an MIT engineer car over a Boston driver any day.

 

lmfao... really?! this is worth spelunking for...


more of these lol

 

yea , computerized driving , what could go wrong ?

 

modern hondas, include the most recent years of fits, have some self driving type features. adaptive cruise control, lane keep assist, collision avoidance, departure mitigation. none of which is anywhere near as sophisticated as a tesla. but, it is still something that could, in wild theory, be hacked and take over

 

I could have used some of that departure mitigation in my first marriage.

 

And yet I have to ask the question: "In a Boston winter when the road is covered with snow or ice how exactly is a Tesla going to navigate down a multi-lane road when it simply can't see the lane markings on the road?"

 

How do you do it?