New Antifreeze, Anyone?
#2
Does the 2015 use the same Honda TypeII coolant as others have since ~2002? (TypeII is the blue stuff.)
Think of it this way: TypeII lasts 5 yrs/100K miles before the first drain. Draining only replaces 60% of it. That's why replacement frequency is doubled after that. (This, from older Honda maintenance schedules)
TypeII is only available as a premix from Honda auto dealers. But you CAN buy concentrated coolant from Honda motorcycle dealers, if you feel the need to change ratio. (Or, if you have flushed the system with water and want to get the concentration higher)
Genuine Honda coolant isn't THAT much more expensive. It REALLY reduces reaction with aluminum. So I feel that its worth it to have some on hand (as a top-up, or for replacement).
JMHO of course.
Think of it this way: TypeII lasts 5 yrs/100K miles before the first drain. Draining only replaces 60% of it. That's why replacement frequency is doubled after that. (This, from older Honda maintenance schedules)
TypeII is only available as a premix from Honda auto dealers. But you CAN buy concentrated coolant from Honda motorcycle dealers, if you feel the need to change ratio. (Or, if you have flushed the system with water and want to get the concentration higher)
Genuine Honda coolant isn't THAT much more expensive. It REALLY reduces reaction with aluminum. So I feel that its worth it to have some on hand (as a top-up, or for replacement).
JMHO of course.
#3
I'm betting the Genuine Honda A/F is rather pricey. I figure Prestone, etc., should be just as good.
A gallon of Honda Type-2 is a little less than $20 MSRP. Cheap for knowing it's absolutely correct.
$13 and some change from Majestic. Plus shipping.
I just searched the part number (OL999-9011) and saw the first hit on Amazon was quite a bit higher than MSRP, and some Honda dealers sell far above MSRP too. Be wary.
Type-2:
It's great, it's absolutely correct for our cars, and ever since Honda went to it I noticed the water pump lifespan increased significantly.
Also, I haven't seen internal radiator corrosion problems in the decade or more since Honda changed over to Type2 exclusively (around 2004?). Even when ignored longer than double the suggested mileage or more.
Hondas coolant is a Non-Silicate and Non-Borate formula. Premixed with de-ionized water.
What's the Prestone got in it?
How much does a different antifreeze (Prestone) cost? Now add in a premature water pump failure...... and all the labor to replace it. Maybe add a tow truck bill, maybe a complete engine if it lost all coolant and got seriously overheated. LOL
Read the underhood sticker to see the replacement interval for your car. Many say 10 years or 100k/120k, or a maintenance minder item# for the first replacement interval.
JMHO as a Honda tech.
YMMV. HTH
#4
I vote Nay to both.
A gallon of Honda Type-2 is a little less than $20 MSRP. Cheap for knowing it's absolutely correct.
$13 and some change from Majestic. Plus shipping.
I just searched the part number (OL999-9011) and saw the first hit on Amazon was quite a bit higher than MSRP, and some Honda dealers sell far above MSRP too. Be wary.
Type-2:
It's great, it's absolutely correct for our cars, and ever since Honda went to it I noticed the water pump lifespan increased significantly.
Also, I haven't seen internal radiator corrosion problems in the decade or more since Honda changed over to Type2 exclusively (around 2004?). Even when ignored longer than double the suggested mileage or more.
Hondas coolant is a Non-Silicate and Non-Borate formula. Premixed with de-ionized water.
What's the Prestone got in it?
How much does a different antifreeze (Prestone) cost? Now add in a premature water pump failure...... and all the labor to replace it. Maybe add a tow truck bill, maybe a complete engine if it lost all coolant and got seriously overheated. LOL
Read the underhood sticker to see the replacement interval for your car. Many say 10 years or 100k/120k, or a maintenance minder item# for the first replacement interval.
JMHO as a Honda tech.
YMMV. HTH
A gallon of Honda Type-2 is a little less than $20 MSRP. Cheap for knowing it's absolutely correct.
$13 and some change from Majestic. Plus shipping.
I just searched the part number (OL999-9011) and saw the first hit on Amazon was quite a bit higher than MSRP, and some Honda dealers sell far above MSRP too. Be wary.
Type-2:
It's great, it's absolutely correct for our cars, and ever since Honda went to it I noticed the water pump lifespan increased significantly.
Also, I haven't seen internal radiator corrosion problems in the decade or more since Honda changed over to Type2 exclusively (around 2004?). Even when ignored longer than double the suggested mileage or more.
Hondas coolant is a Non-Silicate and Non-Borate formula. Premixed with de-ionized water.
What's the Prestone got in it?
How much does a different antifreeze (Prestone) cost? Now add in a premature water pump failure...... and all the labor to replace it. Maybe add a tow truck bill, maybe a complete engine if it lost all coolant and got seriously overheated. LOL
Read the underhood sticker to see the replacement interval for your car. Many say 10 years or 100k/120k, or a maintenance minder item# for the first replacement interval.
JMHO as a Honda tech.
YMMV. HTH
#6
Somewhere in my post I also suggested OP reads that label, he could save time and money by doing so.
#7
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Last edited by SilverEX15; 11-09-2015 at 06:35 AM.
#8
"Replace engine coolant" is sub item 5 on the Maintenance Minder. I'll replace mine when it shows up.
Given the issues with disposing waste coolant, this is another job I don't do myself anymore. Not like the old days, when we could just let the stuff drain into the ground.
Given the issues with disposing waste coolant, this is another job I don't do myself anymore. Not like the old days, when we could just let the stuff drain into the ground.
Last edited by Uncle Gary; 11-09-2015 at 09:57 AM.
#9
"Replace engine coolant" is sub item 5 on the Maintenance Minder. I'll replace mine when it shows up.
Given the issues with disposing waste coolant, this is another job I don't do myself anymore. Not like the old days, when we could just let the stuff drain into the ground.
Given the issues with disposing waste coolant, this is another job I don't do myself anymore. Not like the old days, when we could just let the stuff drain into the ground.
#10
In NY any place that sells oil has to accept used oil for recycling. Not sure about antifreeze. We have no such facility here.
I recycle my used oil at the truck garage in the next town. They've always been glad to accept it.
#12
I've never sent samples to a lab for further analysis though, so there's that.
I personally think that changing original antifreeze on a 2015 car this early in its life (I assumed this thread was about a 2015, one year old?), unless you have reached the mileage interval or maintenance minder item, is overkill.... and wasteful.
*hugs a tree*
#14
There's a lot of leeway in "needs to be." When I've drained antifreeze in the past, it's been dirty. Why would I want to be driving with "dirty" for ten years? The A/F might protect from freezing for ten years, but I prefer clean to dirty.
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#16
I thought of buying bottles of Fiji water to mix with the A/F. It should be very pure.
#18
Thank you for this thread, I'm gonna pickup some Type II from my Honda contact for when I add my block heater. I'll be losing a little bit when swapping out the block plug for the heater plug. Best I add the correct stuff and not a questionable incompatible aftermarket blend.
#19
STP makes an "Asian vehicle" coolant. The most important thing is that it is 50/50 mix and that it is free of silicates. Maybe since the Fit is made in Mexico you can put a drop of Tabasco in it and call it a day
Honestly, for the extra 5-10$ the honda stuff costs, I just go with that. You should only change your antifreeze every 2 years AT A MINIMUM. My mechanic recommends 2-3 years because I live in Canada and my car has to endure a whole season of sub zero temperatures. I still only change my coolant every 4-5 years. If I lived in a milder climate, I'd go every 5-10 years easy. change your antifreeze every year if it makes you feel good but you are pouring money down the drain. I'd focus on changing your brake fluid which must be done more frequently than antifreeze.
Antifreeze and brake fluid are the two things I only go with OEM.
Honestly, for the extra 5-10$ the honda stuff costs, I just go with that. You should only change your antifreeze every 2 years AT A MINIMUM. My mechanic recommends 2-3 years because I live in Canada and my car has to endure a whole season of sub zero temperatures. I still only change my coolant every 4-5 years. If I lived in a milder climate, I'd go every 5-10 years easy. change your antifreeze every year if it makes you feel good but you are pouring money down the drain. I'd focus on changing your brake fluid which must be done more frequently than antifreeze.
Antifreeze and brake fluid are the two things I only go with OEM.