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Bassguitarist1985 11-05-2015 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by Ductapemaster (Post 1325409)
I'll be putting together a poll to gather interest in the next few weeks, assuming my hardware checkouts go well!

I will need to do some checkouts on other trim levels as well before I start putting together kits. Once I have some pieces of working hardware I will begin to address that.

Sounds good dude! Yeah I see the issue with the spacing, hopefully it wont interfere with the surrounding components. Ground plane looks more than adequate. My only concern is EMI coupling from the surrounding components. Depending on how much noise is in the circuit there may be a need for some inductors and caps to lessen the noise without causing false or improper signals for CANBUS. Also I think your relay is brilliant. Maybe you should create a time delay once it is energized so the B-CAN / F-CAN will acquire the signal to the HU, then your device interrupts it to change the information for the HDMI mirroring.

As you know I'm all on board for being a beta tester. Keep me posted!

Bass

Ductapemaster 11-05-2015 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by Bassguitarist1985
My only concern is EMI coupling from the surrounding components. Depending on how much noise is in the circuit there may be a need for some inductors and caps to lessen the noise without causing false or improper signals for CANBUS.

Yeah I probably should have stuck on a couple more dcaps, but I purchased extra so if I have a problem I can always add them in. This version is powered from a USB port (built into the microcontroller unit I am using), so it will be getting a much nicer supply than if I had powered it off of the 12V rail.

I have copper pours on both layers, top is power and the bottom is ground, so essentially the whole board is a capacitor. Hopefully that helps as well.

After some investigation, I'm not really sure how the spacing got changed. I ran the design rules check file on the board last night and none of the vias or any of the other odd changes came up as flagged. However, I did not manually generate gerber files and instead relied on my board house's import feature for my design file, so that's likely where the issue occurred. I'll do it manually next time (and maybe not order them after drinking a bunch of beer?)


Originally Posted by Bassguitarist1985
Also I think your relay is brilliant. Maybe you should create a time delay once it is energized so the B-CAN / F-CAN will acquire the signal to the HU, then your device interrupts it to change the information for the HDMI mirroring.

Thanks! Unfortunately, the signals I have to change come down the line every 100ms or so, so using the relay to connect/disconnect on the fly isn't really possible (did I understand that properly?).

I do plan to keep the "monitoring" CAN interface connected to the car at all times (whether the unit is in pass-through mode or not), so you can always see what is going on on the bus. I can add some CPU control to the relays such that they only engage my device if the onboard IC's initialize properly and a valid signal is detected on the CAN bus.

I want to make it such that the user can just unplug the device or switch it off and have the car return to stock functionality. Ideal for when you take your car in for service :)

montesn 11-05-2015 12:38 PM

I've been watching this with interest for a while. Great work! Is the assumption that this will work across different 2015 models or just on the Fit? I have a 2015 CR-V, but in shopping it did appear that the Fit, CR-V, and Civic all contained the same head unit.

Ductapemaster 11-05-2015 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by montesn (Post 1325433)
I've been watching this with interest for a while. Great work! Is the assumption that this will work across different 2015 models or just on the Fit? I have a 2015 CR-V, but in shopping it did appear that the Fit, CR-V, and Civic all contained the same head unit.

Thank you!

I am almost certain that it will work with any 2015 model Honda with the "upgraded" EX head unit. There may be some small software tweaks needed, but my engineering reuse senses are tingling and it's likely going to be plug-and-play.

Only possible issue I forsee is Navi and manual models, but even in those cases I am relatively confident.

Ductapemaster 11-05-2015 12:53 PM

Apologies for double posting, but I just wanted to say that I will be updating the top post of this thread with new information as time goes on. It's easier to access than digging through each one!

montesn 11-05-2015 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by Ductapemaster (Post 1325434)
Thank you!

I am almost certain that it will work with any 2015 model Honda with the "upgraded" EX head unit. There may be some small software tweaks needed, but my engineering reuse senses are tingling and it's likely going to be plug-and-play.

Only possible issue I forsee is Navi and manual models, but even in those cases I am relatively confident.

I figured navigation might be an issue, but I'm running the standard EX without navigation. Ever since I bought it, I've been researching ways to see Google Maps on screen and this is definitely the most promising thing I've ever seen. If you need any information on cross-model testing, I'll be happy to provide it.

Side note, I'm still frustrated about how Honda handled all this. They promised Android support for Hondalink and had their salespeople pushing it as "being right around the corner", and they never delivered. Thankful for industrious folks like yourself.

Bassguitarist1985 11-05-2015 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by Ductapemaster (Post 1325434)
...

Only possible issue I forsee is Navi and manual models, but even in those cases I am relatively confident.



Welp I'll be testing the 6MT EX platform, so we'll see! :-)

slimstrike 11-15-2015 08:19 AM

Been following this and think it's awesome how you figured it out. I just saw this on the HRV forum and figured I'd share just in case anyone in here can figure out how to keep the setting off. Has anyone tried it? Apparently if you have a mirrorlink phone (htc one m9) that may work as well.


This piece works for some but after a few times you have to turn that DD VSP error off again.
Connect anything to the HDMI and start it playing or mirroring
Press and hold the Eject button the power button and the home button to bring up the diagnostic screen
Press on the Detail Information and settings selection on the screen, its the bottom one
Press and hold the Menu button
Press the Vehicle Model Information on the screen
Press the DD VSP Error area on the screen, in the lower right
On the next screen press where it says "on" and then press where it says "off" to disable that error
Press the Back button ONCE an turn SNAPSHOT.
then go to main menu

Bassguitarist1985 11-15-2015 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by slimstrike (Post 1326427)
Been following this and think it's awesome how you figured it out. I just saw this on the HRV forum and figured I'd share just in case anyone in here can figure out how to keep the setting off. Has anyone tried it? Apparently if you have a mirrorlink phone (htc one m9) that may work as well.

How to: Use HDMI while driving CIVIC SI chrome cast or mirroring (NO EBRAKE) - YouTube

This piece works for some but after a few times you have to turn that DD VSP error off again.
Connect anything to the HDMI and start it playing or mirroring
Press and hold the Eject button the power button and the home button to bring up the diagnostic screen
Press on the Detail Information and settings selection on the screen, its the bottom one
Press and hold the Menu button
Press the Vehicle Model Information on the screen
Press the DD VSP Error area on the screen, in the lower right
On the next screen press where it says "on" and then press where it says "off" to disable that error
Press the Back button ONCE an turn SNAPSHOT.
then go to main menu

DUDE THIS MENU IS ON THE 2015 FIT EX 6MT!!!

IT UNLOCKS EVERYTHING EVEN WHILE DRIVING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Granted you have to shut off the error menu everytime you start the car, but i dont care, the fact it works im super happy!! Dude I owe you a beer or 12!

slimstrike 11-15-2015 06:12 PM

I can't take any credit since someone else figured it out but glad I shared it. Since it seems there's some good technical knowledge in the thread I was hoping someone could figure out how to make that setting stay off permanently.

Bassguitarist1985 11-15-2015 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by slimstrike (Post 1326485)
I can't take any credit since someone else figured it out but glad I shared it. Since it seems there's some good technical knowledge in the thread I was hoping someone could figure out how to make that setting stay off permanently.

True, and the tech exists now thanks to ducttapemaster. Hes figured out the CANBUS signals, intercept them, and change them to fool the HU the car is in park and stationary. Disabling the error menu causes the HU to ignore all canbus status msgs. The HU doesnt care if you are in park or moving to disable the various features based on saftey.

Plus the fact that i can get the functionality I always wanted by going through this menu instead of taking my dash apart again, and installing ducktape's canbus intercept device is more appealing at the moment. Though i will eventually help him test it out for a permanent fix. :-)

TofuShop 11-16-2015 10:15 PM

Has anyone with an iphone tested this yet? Would i be able to use a GPS app from my phone? But, im guessing it would be GPS only and i can't have the radio in the background, right?

Bassguitarist1985 11-16-2015 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by TofuShop (Post 1326679)
Has anyone with an iphone tested this yet? Would i be able to use a GPS app from my phone? But, im guessing it would be GPS only and i can't have the radio in the background, right?

Yes gps only in background, though you could have pandora or another streaming service playing with google maps. No radio though. Then again when is radio even worth listening to these days.

TallguyNB 11-22-2015 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Bassguitarist1985 (Post 1326680)
Yes gps only in background, though you could have pandora or another streaming service playing with google maps. No radio though. Then again when is radio even worth listening to these days.

I just tried this in my Canadian 2015 fit ex and it worked like a charm. YouTube, Netflix, and the google maps app all mirrored perfectly with music playing in the background!

Edit: iPhone 6s, iOS 9.0.2

bzdang 11-22-2015 02:26 PM

Works great in my Canadian 2015 fit LX mt. Only problem is that the phone gets darned hot running Google maps navigation, just like all my previous Android phones did.
Sony Z3 - current phone - overheats and disconnects from h.u.
LG Optimistic G E973 - overheated and shut down if display forced to stay on (via developer options).
HTC Hero - overheated and swelled the battery.
Problem with mirrorlink is you cant turn off the phone display without losing the h.u. display.
I don't know if Android Auto shuts off the phone display to manage heat, or feeds a series of static images (cue-cards), but I've never been able to run nav with the display active for any useful length of time. Maybe there's a business opportunity for phone cradles with built-in cooling fans!?

simonx314 11-22-2015 03:26 PM

Works on CRV too
 
I just mirrored my MacBook's HDMI port to both the 2015 Fit EX-L and 2015 CRV EX. The video works while driving but the "DD VSP Error" does not stay off, in both cars I had to disable it again after turning the car off and on.

The MacBook showed the native resolution of the Honda 7" display was 720x576 in both cars.

Bassguitarist1985 11-24-2015 04:02 PM

Posted on my own thread, passing along the info here.


I am giving up on the Chromecast Dongle 2.0. too much bullshit to get around to mirror the screen via WI-FI with my Note 4. I'm sure there is another method I'm simply not aware of to make it work the way I want.

What I KNOW works is this cable below with my Verizon Samsung Note 4. Got it yesterday, tested, and it works great! no drop outs. Only detractor (like most if not all MHL cables) is that it will not charge the phone enough. It does charge, but is limited in the charge current of 500mA instead of the 1-2A from the OEM charger. Best advice when using it is to turn the screen brightness down all the way to minimize battery drain.



Now in order to listen to the HDMI audio output when in HDMI mirror mode....AND still have your bluetooth phone capabilities you must do the following. This is specifically for Android 5.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fit...1552d6a486.png

***The catch is that disabling the media for Homelink will not allow apps like Pandora or AHA to work with the HU's built in app screens for them to be controlled. However, music will still be streamed via HDMI, and controlled from your phone. I know not the best scenario, but its a viable work around.

I've gotton the screen jumping to disable the DD VSP error menu to prevent locking out HDMI mirroring down to about 20 seconds. Sure its annoying to do it every time but its all I got for now. The OEM HU that was once bricked to shit, is now less bricked, but still bricked.

Brian Jones 11-26-2015 12:50 PM

Clarification, please
 

Originally Posted by slimstrike (Post 1326427)
Been following this and think it's awesome how you figured it out. I just saw this on the HRV forum and figured I'd share just in case anyone in here can figure out how to keep the setting off. Has anyone tried it? Apparently if you have a mirrorlink phone (htc one m9) that may work as well.

How to: Use HDMI while driving CIVIC SI chrome cast or mirroring (NO EBRAKE) - YouTube

This piece works for some but after a few times you have to turn that DD VSP error off again.
Connect anything to the HDMI and start it playing or mirroring
Press and hold the Eject button the power button and the home button to bring up the diagnostic screen
Press on the Detail Information and settings selection on the screen, its the bottom one
Press and hold the Menu button
Press the Vehicle Model Information on the screen
Press the DD VSP Error area on the screen, in the lower right
On the next screen press where it says "on" and then press where it says "off" to disable that error
Press the Back button ONCE an turn SNAPSHOT.
then go to main menu

I got my GK EX Fit to display the iPhone 5s GPS maps using this procedure. Yay!! I forgot how to get the iPhone display on the screen. I found that I had to select HDMI under "audio." Maybe there's a better way to do it, but that's what I stumbled on. Reading the manual might have helped.
Anyway, I have a couple of questions. In the final line of the procedure, it says "press the back button once an turn SNAPSHOT." Should this instruction read "button once and turn SNAPSHOT on"? Is the default on or off for SNAPSHOT? I can't recall what it was set to before I toggled it. Second, what am I doing when I toggle these two settings? DD VSP and SNAPSHOT??
And, as a final comment, holy crap there are a lot of settings in these menus! I poked around and was amazed and a little terrified by all the info and controls. It would be wonderful if there was a guide to all these settings, not that Honda would ever release the info. I am nervous in these deep menus since I once put the sideview camera into its calibration mode, and it took me several hours of Googling and messing around with a target image I made to get my sideview camera to work again. Lesson learned: don't go punching buttons you don't understand. Honda software engineers are not intent on protecting you with nice warning messages (as is the case with Mac OS and Windows).

TallguyNB 11-26-2015 01:11 PM

Yeah i wish there was a hidden menu guide too. I'd love to know what all is inside there but I'm afraid to as well.



Originally Posted by Brian Jones (Post 1327769)
I got my GK EX Fit to display the iPhone 5s GPS maps using this procedure. Yay!! I forgot how to get the iPhone display on the screen. I found that I had to select HDMI under "audio." Maybe there's a better way to do it, but that's what I stumbled on. Reading the manual might have helped.
Anyway, I have a couple of questions. In the final line of the procedure, it says "press the back button once an turn SNAPSHOT." Should this instruction read "button once and turn SNAPSHOT on"? Is the default on or off for SNAPSHOT? I can't recall what it was set to before I toggled it. Second, what am I doing when I toggle these two settings? DD VSP and SNAPSHOT??
And, as a final comment, holy crap there are a lot of settings in these menus! I poked around and was amazed and a little terrified by all the info and controls. It would be wonderful if there was a guide to all these settings, not that Honda would ever release the info. I am nervous in these deep menus since I once put the sideview camera into its calibration mode, and it took me several hours of Googling and messing around with a target image I made to get my sideview camera to work again. Lesson learned: don't go punching buttons you don't understand. Honda software engineers are not intent on protecting you with nice warning messages (as is the case with Mac OS and Windows).


Bassguitarist1985 11-27-2015 04:26 PM

FYI

***The SNAPSHOT step does NOT work, so skip it. Still once you memorize the screens it takes me about 20 seconds to flip the error menu off and I'm off and running!


Darkshowdo 12-10-2015 11:59 PM

Well i wanted to show how i made the Honda fit the best Head Unit I have ever used using a Amazon Fire Stick, Thanks to the new founded HDMI bypass.


BeauDiddley 12-11-2015 01:55 AM

You sir, are awesome! Thank you. I'm buying a Fire Stick or equivalent asap.

Bassguitarist1985 12-11-2015 09:48 AM

Looks good! Thats what I wanted to do with the Chromecast 2.0, but I had to use my phones mobile tethering to mirror my screen which was not ideal. Least with Mirracast you can wifi direct connect to the dongle, and keep the phone charged with its stock charger so the battery doesnt run down like with an MHL adapter.

Guess I'm going to best buy at some point haha!!

Darkshowdo 12-11-2015 07:53 PM

Well i wanted to get rid of mine phone and just use the HU for controls which the firestick allows.
Also the Firestick has Miracast so you can still put your phone on the HU if needed for like Google maps or something.

Other then that this solution is amazing.
Feel free to ask any question if you need. :D

payluder 12-24-2015 10:55 AM

Question about the firestick when used in our fit does it need to be supplied with power? or does the firestick works just by plugging it into the hdmi port.

Darkshowdo 12-26-2015 11:42 PM

You will need to plug it in via USB. Just use the port next to the HDMI port.

payluder 12-31-2015 02:45 PM

I just want to let anyone that is deciding to pick up a chromecast or the amazon firestick. I would not recommend the chromecast 2 because there is many issues with the unit I had to return exchange only to have another issue video but no sound. On the other hand the firestick works perfectly and I was also able to hack it.

andre181 01-01-2016 01:20 AM

Does not work on my EXL w/ nav. As soon as I start rolling, the HDMI shuts down.

I'm guessing because the HU is getting motion data either from GPS or can-bus to track motion for the navigation.

Bassguitarist1985 01-01-2016 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by andre181 (Post 1330987)
Does not work on my EXL w/ nav. As soon as I start rolling, the HDMI shuts down.

I'm guessing because the HU is getting motion data either from GPS or can-bus to track motion for the navigation.

Yes unfortunately I think its the case for the Navi models. Navi model owners will need to wait until Ducktapemaster finishes his prototype board to try it out.

simonx314 01-03-2016 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by payluder (Post 1330932)
...the firestick works perfectly and I was also able to hack it.

What fun things do you do with your firestick in your Fit?

Edit: I just watched your videos above. Cool stuff with the local FTP server for video. Is there anything the Firestick does that is helpful while driving?

prince_perry 01-05-2016 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Darkshowdo (Post 1329116)
Well i wanted to show how i made the Honda fit the best Head Unit I have ever used using a Amazon Fire Stick, Thanks to the new founded HDMI bypass.

This is BRILLIANT. Cheers man :thumbups:

I'm not familiar with Kodi (or Firestick, but I have a Roku :) ), but is there a 3rd party GPS or way to mirror the phone screen via tether? My main goal is to just be able to use Google Maps :(

Darkshowdo 01-10-2016 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by prince_perry (Post 1331415)
This is BRILLIANT. Cheers man :thumbups:

I'm not familiar with Kodi (or Firestick, but I have a Roku :) ), but is there a 3rd party GPS or way to mirror the phone screen via tether? My main goal is to just be able to use Google Maps :(

Well your in luck cause Firestick also support phone mirroring.
As long as your phone can do Miracast then you good to go.

Chelsie Goodwin 01-13-2016 10:29 AM

Iam new here but I found this...
 

I did what the guy in the video instructed and boom.... HDMI mirroring while driving.

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prince_perry 01-13-2016 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Chelsie Goodwin (Post 1332447)
How to: Use HDMI while driving CIVIC SI chrome cast or mirroring (NO EBRAKE) - YouTube

I did what the guy in the video instructed and boom.... HDMI mirroring while driving.

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Originally Posted by Darkshowdo (Post 1332149)
Well your in luck cause Firestick also support phone mirroring.
As long as your phone can do Miracast then you good to go.

YES YES AND MORE YES. Thank you guys :bowdown:
Returning the mount I bought and buying a Chromecast today!

markkgilbertson 02-14-2016 01:31 AM

Just for clarify, you can hold down the keys at you go: hold eject, then hold power, the hold home. (Think control-alt-delete). In the end you should be holding down all three keys... The diagnostic menu will pop up.
A lot of videos and tutorials online are a bit confusing since they make it sound like you need to press them at the exact same moment.

Bassguitarist1985 02-14-2016 10:48 PM

https://youtu.be/Mx0IFP6t_vU

This should help.

Medelegant 06-26-2016 11:36 AM

This still doesn't come close to a CarPlay solution.
 

Originally Posted by Bassguitarist1985 (Post 1335983)
https://youtu.be/Mx0IFP6t_vU

This should help.

Honda are being complete dickwads by refusing to provide software updates to enable CarPlay (or Android Auto for that matter).

The Honda HU user interface is pizz poor at best. Stupid screen layouts such as placing "Answer" button immediately above the "Ignore" button for incoming calls is asinine. The slightest bump on the road and you end up ignoring your spouses call. Honda! listen up! You've got a 7" screen. Put the buttons side by side. (Yeah I know... Use the steering wheel button. The screen layout is STILL STUPID)
There are 10 buttons on the steering wheel dedicated to HU interaction. Each button can only perform 1 function. Really? Has Honda never heard about context sensitivity. Long press or short press?

Honda should take a look at how 5+ year old AppleTV remote controls work. Or 7 year old iPod controls work.

Rant Complete...

The video showing how to access hidden menus is great and I now can put my iPhone 6s on the display (really only semi useful for things like maps) but that the hack has to be applied after every restart of the car is a bit of a drag.

There must be some way to change the settings. There is probably some deeper hidden menu we still have to find.

One more thought…

If Honda just gave us the software/firmware update to enable CarPlay and Android Auto (I would pay a reasonably nominal fee for such), they would essentially put the responsibility for user interface and safety in the hands of Apple and Google.

Oh. And BTW Honda. Why do I have to acknowledge the "Driver is responsible bla bla bla" every damn time I start the engine. It is just another annoying reminder that Honda's lawyers are infinitely incapable of understanding what irks people.

Action Jackson 06-26-2016 03:24 PM

I wish that we could tweak the interface/features a bit too.

Scott Miller 07-14-2016 03:34 PM

I have a 2016 CRV Touring and the diagnostic hack works, but having it reset every time the car turns off is a pain.

What's the latest with the CANBUS mod?

Gilly11277 12-02-2016 02:28 PM

What is the status of this thread, is progress still being made? I know he said that he was going to update the first post but it's been a while...

Thanks


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