Health Care FTW
He already clarified that he wouldn't be moving there he would only go there for health care. Which make no sense because they have socialized medical care there.
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This is the best summary I have seen.
WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF ENACTMENT
*Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.
*Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
*Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.
*Uninsured adults with a pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.
*A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.
*Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the "doughnut hole" coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.
*A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.
*A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2011
*Medicare provides 10 percent bonus payments to primary care physicians and general surgeons.
*Medicare beneficiaries will be able to get a free annual wellness visit and personalized prevention plan service. New health plans will be required to cover preventive services with little or no cost to patients.
*A new program under the Medicaid plan for the poor goes into effect in October that allows states to offer home and community based care for the disabled that might otherwise require institutional care.
*Payments to insurers offering Medicare Advantage services are frozen at 2010 levels. These payments are to be gradually reduced to bring them more in line with traditional Medicare.
*Employers are required to disclose the value of health benefits on employees' W-2 tax forms.
*An annual fee is imposed on pharmaceutical companies according to market share. The fee does not apply to companies with sales of $5 million or less.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2012
*Physician payment reforms are implemented in Medicare to enhance primary care services and encourage doctors to form "accountable care organizations" to improve quality and efficiency of care.
*An incentive program is established in Medicare for acute care hospitals to improve quality outcomes.
*The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which oversees the government programs, begin tracking hospital readmission rates and puts in place financial incentives to reduce preventable readmissions.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2013
*A national pilot program is established for Medicare on payment bundling to encourage doctors, hospitals and other care providers to better coordinate patient care.
*The threshold for claiming medical expenses on itemized tax returns is raised to 10 percent from 7.5 percent of income. The threshold remains at 7.5 percent for the elderly through 2016.
*The Medicare payroll tax is raised to 2.35 percent from 1.45 percent for individuals earning more than $200,000 and married couples with incomes over $250,000. The tax is imposed on some investment income for that income group.
*A 2.9 percent excise tax in imposed on the sale of medical devices. Anything generally purchased at the retail level by the public is excluded from the tax.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2014
*State health insurance exchanges for small businesses and individuals open.
*Most people will be required to obtain health insurance coverage or pay a fine if they don't. Healthcare tax credits become available to help people with incomes up to 400 percent of poverty purchase coverage on the exchange.
*Health plans no longer can exclude people from coverage due to pre-existing conditions.
*Employers with 50 or more workers who do not offer coverage face a fine of $2,000 for each employee if any worker receives subsidized insurance on the exchange. The first 30 employees aren't counted for the fine.
*Health insurance companies begin paying a fee based on their market share.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2015
*Medicare creates a physician payment program aimed at rewarding quality of care rather than volume of services.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2018
*An excise tax on high cost employer-provided plans is imposed. The first $27,500 of a family plan and $10,200 for individual coverage is exempt from the tax. Higher levels are set for plans covering retirees and people in high risk professions. (Reporting by Donna Smith; Editing by David Alexander and Eric Beech)
Of course, all this assumes no changes, which is the one thing that I am certain won't happen.
WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF ENACTMENT
*Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.
*Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
*Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.
*Uninsured adults with a pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.
*A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.
*Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the "doughnut hole" coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.
*A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.
*A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2011
*Medicare provides 10 percent bonus payments to primary care physicians and general surgeons.
*Medicare beneficiaries will be able to get a free annual wellness visit and personalized prevention plan service. New health plans will be required to cover preventive services with little or no cost to patients.
*A new program under the Medicaid plan for the poor goes into effect in October that allows states to offer home and community based care for the disabled that might otherwise require institutional care.
*Payments to insurers offering Medicare Advantage services are frozen at 2010 levels. These payments are to be gradually reduced to bring them more in line with traditional Medicare.
*Employers are required to disclose the value of health benefits on employees' W-2 tax forms.
*An annual fee is imposed on pharmaceutical companies according to market share. The fee does not apply to companies with sales of $5 million or less.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2012
*Physician payment reforms are implemented in Medicare to enhance primary care services and encourage doctors to form "accountable care organizations" to improve quality and efficiency of care.
*An incentive program is established in Medicare for acute care hospitals to improve quality outcomes.
*The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which oversees the government programs, begin tracking hospital readmission rates and puts in place financial incentives to reduce preventable readmissions.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2013
*A national pilot program is established for Medicare on payment bundling to encourage doctors, hospitals and other care providers to better coordinate patient care.
*The threshold for claiming medical expenses on itemized tax returns is raised to 10 percent from 7.5 percent of income. The threshold remains at 7.5 percent for the elderly through 2016.
*The Medicare payroll tax is raised to 2.35 percent from 1.45 percent for individuals earning more than $200,000 and married couples with incomes over $250,000. The tax is imposed on some investment income for that income group.
*A 2.9 percent excise tax in imposed on the sale of medical devices. Anything generally purchased at the retail level by the public is excluded from the tax.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2014
*State health insurance exchanges for small businesses and individuals open.
*Most people will be required to obtain health insurance coverage or pay a fine if they don't. Healthcare tax credits become available to help people with incomes up to 400 percent of poverty purchase coverage on the exchange.
*Health plans no longer can exclude people from coverage due to pre-existing conditions.
*Employers with 50 or more workers who do not offer coverage face a fine of $2,000 for each employee if any worker receives subsidized insurance on the exchange. The first 30 employees aren't counted for the fine.
*Health insurance companies begin paying a fee based on their market share.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2015
*Medicare creates a physician payment program aimed at rewarding quality of care rather than volume of services.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2018
*An excise tax on high cost employer-provided plans is imposed. The first $27,500 of a family plan and $10,200 for individual coverage is exempt from the tax. Higher levels are set for plans covering retirees and people in high risk professions. (Reporting by Donna Smith; Editing by David Alexander and Eric Beech)
Of course, all this assumes no changes, which is the one thing that I am certain won't happen.
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Except when the republicans take back congress all they have to do is cut funding from appropriations in the budget. Not to mention that it has a huge uphill legal battle from ta constitutional point. Also if Obama loses the 2012 election and the repubs still control congress it will be repealed.
It isn't free healthcare you still have to pay for it. And I don't want healthcare i want Health insurance. All this has done is piss off the majority of Americans who haven't paid attention over the last 10-12 years. Come November It ALL Changes.
It isn't free healthcare you still have to pay for it. And I don't want healthcare i want Health insurance. All this has done is piss off the majority of Americans who haven't paid attention over the last 10-12 years. Come November It ALL Changes.
Except when the republicans take back congress all they have to do is cut funding from appropriations in the budget. Not to mention that it has a huge uphill legal battle from ta constitutional point. Also if Obama loses the 2012 election and the repubs still control congress it will be repealed.
It isn't free healthcare you still have to pay for it. And I don't want healthcare i want Health insurance. All this has done is piss off the majority of Americans who haven't paid attention over the last 10-12 years. Come November It ALL Changes.
It isn't free healthcare you still have to pay for it. And I don't want healthcare i want Health insurance. All this has done is piss off the majority of Americans who haven't paid attention over the last 10-12 years. Come November It ALL Changes.
I don't understand why they can't learn to work together though. It's not like everyone one has to always be right, people can learn and adjust to what's going on and what's best.
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From: CA
I disagree with the way you see society and yourself in it.
(I'm trying to cut down on my trolling.)
(I'm trying to cut down on my trolling.)
Last edited by sam; Mar 26, 2010 at 08:56 PM. Reason: Paraphrased inappropriate posting that was quoted
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From: Bellingham, WA
FIANALLY!
Professional politicians are killing this country. They ALL take money from the lobbyists. Thats why there is no holding to account big insurance, big pharma, lawyers(liability lawsuits), and the medical lobby(AMA). The bill does nothing to stop them all from gouging us which is why....WE CAN'T AFFORD MEDICAL INSURANCE! All this bill does is perpetuate the status quo and force the government(our taxes) to pick up the tab. I happen to work in the hospitality industry(resort hotels). The groups named above are the ones who are the most extravagant when it comes to events and seminars. They can't spend the money fast enough! This summer AIG is coming! Can you tell how excited I am about that? [puke]
Professional politicians are killing this country. They ALL take money from the lobbyists. Thats why there is no holding to account big insurance, big pharma, lawyers(liability lawsuits), and the medical lobby(AMA). The bill does nothing to stop them all from gouging us which is why....WE CAN'T AFFORD MEDICAL INSURANCE! All this bill does is perpetuate the status quo and force the government(our taxes) to pick up the tab. I happen to work in the hospitality industry(resort hotels). The groups named above are the ones who are the most extravagant when it comes to events and seminars. They can't spend the money fast enough! This summer AIG is coming! Can you tell how excited I am about that? [puke]
Last edited by sam; Mar 26, 2010 at 08:54 PM. Reason: Paraphrased inappropriate posting that was quoted
I see you have zero understanding of what the Health Care bill does.
Last edited by sam; Mar 26, 2010 at 08:58 PM. Reason: Paraphrased inappropriate posting that was quoted
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Posts: 1,271
From: CA
FIANALLY!
Professional politicians are killing this country. They ALL take money from the lobbyists. Thats why there is no holding to account big insurance, big pharma, lawyers(liability lawsuits), and the medical lobby(AMA). The bill does nothing to stop them all from gouging us which is why....WE CAN'T AFFORD MEDICAL INSURANCE! All this bill does is perpetuate the status quo and force the government(our taxes) to pick up the tab. I happen to work in the hospitality industry(resort hotels). The groups named above are the ones who are the most extravagant when it comes to events and seminars. They can't spend the money fast enough! This summer AIG is coming! Can you tell how excited I am about that? [puke]
Professional politicians are killing this country. They ALL take money from the lobbyists. Thats why there is no holding to account big insurance, big pharma, lawyers(liability lawsuits), and the medical lobby(AMA). The bill does nothing to stop them all from gouging us which is why....WE CAN'T AFFORD MEDICAL INSURANCE! All this bill does is perpetuate the status quo and force the government(our taxes) to pick up the tab. I happen to work in the hospitality industry(resort hotels). The groups named above are the ones who are the most extravagant when it comes to events and seminars. They can't spend the money fast enough! This summer AIG is coming! Can you tell how excited I am about that? [puke]
My view is that the bill puts us on the path to a single-payer system by forcing health care policies to actually be what they're supposed to be. From here on out people will complain about cost here and there, and now that it's mandated people will eventually demand that it be not for profit.
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From: Bellingham, WA
Only that in every other country that socialises medical treatment, they also control costs. For example, do you know that the United States is the only country in the world where prescription medication is allowed to be advertised to the general public? If you have to ask why that matters then I'm done.
It looks like we are going to have the government guaranteeing the pharmaceutical and insurance corporations will be making money off of everyone instead of just those that can afford it.... Kind of like cops being used to to add profit to the insurance industry..... I don't see socialism, I see that corporate fascism is rearing its ugly head here like it was 70 years ago in Germany and Italy..... Corporate America has done more harm to the citizens of this country than all of the Communist that have ever lived all put together..... Insurance companies don't make money by paying claims for medical care but by doing the exact opposite..... The 2 party system is a dog and pony act, the politicians are all owned by corporate lobbyist and the freedoms that everyone speaks so reverently of are just an illusion.
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I sincerely doubt that statement is true. You really a balls to the wall libertarian? I bet you like your social stability, clean water and roads and sewage systems. I bet you like the internet. They invented that, too.