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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 04:19 PM
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sad times...

Dear Michael

Thank you for your interest in Jackson Racing. Unfortunately, we do not
supply parts for the vehicle you specified. No plans in the future. I
suggest performing a search of the web for other possible parts sources

Steve Mendez
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Phone (800) 235-6954 ext 3226

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***Moss Motors, Ltd. is not liable for injury or damage due to incorrect
installation or use of their products. All products are sold with the
understanding that the safe and proper installation and use of the products
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entity to whom they are addressed.

Why is the contact Moss Motors? I thought asking jackson racing would be the appropriate contact. Anyways, if this is true, I thought someone posted a thread a while ago that had the FIt on the list of upcoming superchargers on their website!

Nevermind it was comptech
 

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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 04:43 PM
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I believe Jackson Racing is part of the Moss performance group...not sure if a direct subsidiary or not, but something affiliated.
 
Old Sep 27, 2006 | 06:53 PM
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That was the response I got after filling out the form on the Contact page of the Jackson Racing site.
 
Old Sep 27, 2006 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jits14
Why is the contact Moss Motors? I thought asking jackson racing would be the appropriate contact. Anyways, if this is true, I thought someone posted a thread a while ago that had the FIt on the list of upcoming superchargers on their website!

Nevermind it was comptech
yeha that was me with comptech. though it dosnt say supercharger.. just items.

and there was a jacksonracing one to. i belive claming to get 65whp extra
 
Old Sep 27, 2006 | 07:02 PM
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Oscar sold the company a few years ago to Moss Motors.
 
Old Sep 27, 2006 | 10:01 PM
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Just out of shear curiosity, I thought to myself, why don't I check and see how to get my own Eaton M45, and try to fab up my own. At first glance, the price quoted for the unit was like $2,700!! I assume this is a list price, but still, I think it shows that unless you can expect to sell in volume, it won't be cheap to get one. And I doubt I'd have time to go through the design work either
 
Old Sep 28, 2006 | 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by sonorliteman
Just out of shear curiosity, I thought to myself, why don't I check and see how to get my own Eaton M45, and try to fab up my own. At first glance, the price quoted for the unit was like $2,700!! I assume this is a list price, but still, I think it shows that unless you can expect to sell in volume, it won't be cheap to get one. And I doubt I'd have time to go through the design work either
well a SC for my CL-S is 4k sooo yeah
 
Old Sep 28, 2006 | 05:19 AM
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That Superstreet article said:
"Oscar (jackson) recently took back control over the company and this fall a new division of JR will unveil a supercharger for what Oscar calls 'the next generation of Honda's small super cars,' the Fit. He's back Mortimer!"

So perhaps Moss really doesn't have an answer because they're no longer involved (and the web/email details aren't sorted out yet). Or Superstreet is just wrong.

Interesting that it mentions a 'new division'--wonder why they'd need a new division within a SC manufacturing company to build a SC for the Fit?
 
Old Sep 28, 2006 | 02:56 PM
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If the charger they could (should) produce is as effective as the one in the SOHC D-series engines, at the same kit price ($2,000), how many would really buy?

I've seen so many Honda folks knock the S/C and go for turbo. After looking at the JRSC power increases in torque across the band for the D16Z6, I can't help but wonder how the L15As would respond. Seems this is the way to go for something daily driven. I don't need an engine that makes 300 hp at 8k, where I spend perhaps only 5-10% of driving time. But a 20 - 20% increase in torque from 2k and up seems like it would make a big difference in daily driving.
 
Old Sep 28, 2006 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by sonorliteman
If the charger they could (should) produce is as effective as the one in the SOHC D-series engines, at the same kit price ($2,000), how many would really buy?

I've seen so many Honda folks knock the S/C and go for turbo. After looking at the JRSC power increases in torque across the band for the D16Z6, I can't help but wonder how the L15As would respond. Seems this is the way to go for something daily driven. I don't need an engine that makes 300 hp at 8k, where I spend perhaps only 5-10% of driving time. But a 20 - 20% increase in torque from 2k and up seems like it would make a big difference in daily driving.
Not everyone bought thier fit for a DD. Given i dont see the Little ass L15 making 500hp without some serious internal work. Thus i think bang for buck a K series swap from a local junkyard would be better.



I would like to supercharge my fit but i may be selling it soon
 
Old Sep 29, 2006 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ricepuddin
Not everyone bought thier fit for a DD. Given i dont see the Little ass L15 making 500hp without some serious internal work. Thus i think bang for buck a K series swap from a local junkyard would be better.



I would like to supercharge my fit but i may be selling it soon
I'm an admitted novice on the K20...can it make 500 hp with ease? Perhaps you're not implying this directly, but I am curious about these.

I'm not sure about the displacement but I thought that they are mostly 2.0 liter engines....any larger? Guess my point is that these are not that much larger than a 1.5L engine in shear displacement. I do understand they (K series) come from the factory w/ better internals, are higher-rpm capable, & use a DOHC setup...so this probably means putting one in would allow turning up the boost a whole lot more than I could on the stock Fit engine and reap greater benefits per bolt-on mod installed.

But if I swapped and ran a K motor as-is, what kind of power would we be looking at (assuming minor typcial bolt-ons only)?
 
Old Sep 29, 2006 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sonorliteman
I'm an admitted novice on the K20...can it make 500 hp with ease? Perhaps you're not implying this directly, but I am curious about these.

I'm not sure about the displacement but I thought that they are mostly 2.0 liter engines....any larger? Guess my point is that these are not that much larger than a 1.5L engine in shear displacement. I do understand they (K series) come from the factory w/ better internals, are higher-rpm capable, & use a DOHC setup...so this probably means putting one in would allow turning up the boost a whole lot more than I could on the stock Fit engine and reap greater benefits per bolt-on mod installed.

But if I swapped and ran a K motor as-is, what kind of power would we be looking at (assuming minor typcial bolt-ons only)?
Alot easier then the L15.

K20A2
  • Found in:
    • 2002-2004 Acura RSX Type-S and 2002-2005 Honda Civic Type R (EP, European)
      • Displacement: 1998 cc
      • Compression: 11.0:1
      • Power: 200 hp (149 kW) @ 7400 rpm
      • Torque: 142 ft·lbf (193 N·m) @ 6000 rpm
      • Redline: 7900 rpm
Given thats at the crank. However the K-series is a race engine, its used by Realtime on the Speed Channel Series or whatever its called.

It will handle alot more boost then the L15. Go test drive the RSX type S then imagine that power with the fits weight.


Also if you want to see something realy badd ass use a K24 bottom end and a K20a2 head. Ive heard of thesse making between 600-800 hp.



Edit: i forgot to say that .5L makes a big difference when the engine is built for power and not econmy
 
Old Oct 1, 2006 | 06:13 AM
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a tuned and modded K20 will make about 240 hp all motor i think
 
Old Oct 1, 2006 | 10:31 AM
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Perhaps someone 'in the know' could do a cost comparison between a K20 swap and a theoretical S/C or turbo kit. Of course, I would think there are non-monetary costs between the two, like plug-in-drive capability, vs scrounging for parts, messing w/ tunes, etc. I know also people refer to getting a k20 from a junk yard, but I have a feeling that is very unrealistic...I imagine specialty cars like that rarely find their way to the yard w/o getting gutted first. In the mustang world, it's like me saying go to the junkyard to find a 4v mod motor...you can bet if you find one in a yard, its probably broke!

Another thought...wonder if/how a K20 would work w/ the automatic in the Fit. This may be a limiting factor whether doing a swap or installing a power-adder.
 

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