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pokems23 08-10-2008 12:24 AM

Arrg! Broke lug nut stud!
 
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Long story short, I had brought my car to Honda to have them take off my wheels locks, because I had lost the wheel lock key. They told me they torqued all the nuts. Three weeks later I decide to rotate my tires and this happened.

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It felt like all the lug nuts were over tightened which may have caused this. Seems like a somewhat easy fix, but it's just a hassle doing it when I could be playing in the sun.

lidoshorty02 08-10-2008 12:27 AM

damm that sucks

Hootie 08-10-2008 12:31 AM

^ Agreed.

Did it break when you were unscrewing the nuts? If so, I'd so give the dealer a ear full for this.

manxman 08-10-2008 12:36 AM

Remember to use anti-seize compound on the studs and that won't happen again.

dagul 08-10-2008 01:11 AM

Anti-seize is not necessary... Tightening the lugs to the proper torque specs with a torque wrench instead of a impact wrench would have avoided the OP's headache.

kylerwho 08-10-2008 01:42 AM

looks like dealer used an impact wrench.
Warrenty cover that type of thing?

swaknets 08-10-2008 01:50 AM

Man, cant remember how many bolts I broke in the past:rolleyes:, could be PITA to replace...bring it back to the dealer, they might replace it for free since they might have overtorqued the lugs....Good Luck!

Saved 08-10-2008 02:22 AM

I went though this crap today. Biggest PITA I've dont yet on the Fit. They charged me $10.55 for the stud and it took a while to get it on there. I was going to replace all the studs in the front with longer accord wheel studs but after this one little replacment, I don't think I could go through the other seven.

Fitcapo 08-10-2008 03:30 AM

..... did they not use a torque wrench? You shouldnl't have to pay to fix that because they should have used a torque wrench and if they did that wouldn't have happened.

ricohman 08-10-2008 09:03 AM

Does the Fit use a sealed bearing or a cup and cone in the rear?
Either way its an easy fix.

dagul 08-10-2008 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by ricohman (Post 391231)
Does the Fit use a sealed bearing or a cup and cone in the rear?
Either way its an easy fix.

Should be a sealed bearing built into the hub.

http://www.hondapartsdeals.com/hpa/i.../71/380164.png

Here's the blowup of the front for poops and giggles...

http://www.hondapartsdeals.com/hpa/i.../71/380167.png

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pokems23 08-10-2008 01:07 PM

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Yeah, it broke while trying to remove lug nut. Honda is closed. Anyone know what size stud it would be so I can visit a car parts store?

Raaaaaaaaaay. 08-10-2008 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by ricohman (Post 391231)
Does the Fit use a sealed bearing or a cup and cone in the rear?
Either way its an easy fix.

Its not an easy fix at all. Ive replaced 2 on my Fit. Both fronts.
I broke another one when I removed my SSR wheels. I refuse to replace it, the tip keeps breaking so its getting shorter and shorter. *LAUGHS*

If you can get the hub off its an easy fix. I didnt try. I just looked at it and smashed the new one through the back.
I used 8th gen Civic studs as Autozone doesnt have Fit ones.

The civic ones are shorter too. :-/

I need to replace all my lug studs. Theyre all F-ed.

Saved 08-10-2008 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by I Am Ray. (Post 391329)
Its not an easy fix at all.
If you can get the hub off its an easy fix. I didnt try. I just looked at it and smashed the new one through the back.

Amen! I think the hub is pressed in. I had one heck of a time trying to get the new bolt through the back without messing it up.

ricohman 08-10-2008 01:49 PM

Maybe I should have said "an easy fix for those of us with a hydraulic press, all the fittings, an air compressor with air tools, a complete mechanics chest full of tools and who are mechanics".
Nuff said.

pokems23 08-10-2008 05:10 PM

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It seemed like an easy fix according to the DIYs I found online. Except when your working on a Fit!!!!! I tried to remove the screws on the rotor, but stripped the Philips head on them. So I drilled them out! YES! But then this happened when trying to remove the studs.

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I don't have the tools or knowledge to remove the hub. Guess I'm going to have to fork out some dough at Honda to fix it.

swaknets 08-10-2008 05:19 PM

its real PITA with the fronts, youll definitely need a press to separate the knuckle and the hub...

Raaaaaaaaaay. 08-10-2008 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by Mugen Mojo (Post 391335)
Amen! I think the hub is pressed in. I had one heck of a time trying to get the new bolt through the back without messing it up.

I just mashed mine through, then cleaned the threads with a tap/die set.
Not looking forward to doing another stud.

I think Im going to have Honda do all the front ones. All my studs are screwed as I shaved them down for my first set of adapters.

Raaaaaaaaaay. 08-10-2008 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by pokems23 (Post 391474)
It seemed like an easy fix according to the DIYs I found online. Except when your working on a Fit!!!!! I tried to remove the screws on the rotor, but stripped the Philips head on them. So I drilled them out! YES! But then this happened when trying to remove the studs.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...3/IMG_0464.jpg

I don't have the tools or knowledge to remove the hub. Guess I'm going to have to fork out some dough at Honda to fix it.

Beat that motha chicken out. I went to town on mine, it popped right out.

qwerty66 08-10-2008 05:32 PM

hi guys
this is my first post
i worked as a tech for a abit in a general repair shop and i have friends that work at toyota honda and nissan, they all told me no dealership will use a torque wrench
they all use impact gun with a torque stick which is set at 80 ft/lb( for honda)
it's easy to replace the studs
just order the stud from honda or parts store
and use a cheisel and hamemr to knock out the old one
then stick the new one through and since there are grooves on the stud you will need to use the nut to slowly cut it into your hub just get a socket and a rachet and just slowly tighten the nut onto the stud and that will force the stud to sit into the hub
sorry if i can't explain better then that

ricohman 08-10-2008 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by pokems23 (Post 391474)
It seemed like an easy fix according to the DIYs I found online. Except when your working on a Fit!!!!! I tried to remove the screws on the rotor, but stripped the Philips head on them. So I drilled them out! YES! But then this happened when trying to remove the studs.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...23/Stud_01.jpg


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...3/IMG_0462.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...3/IMG_0464.jpg

I don't have the tools or knowledge to remove the hub. Guess I'm going to have to fork out some dough at Honda to fix it.

Don't use a screwdriver on those screws.
Use an impact driver with some talc.

Saved 08-10-2008 07:33 PM

^^^ Bingo! I had to go buy one for around $15.00.

Fa1 08-10-2008 09:31 PM

Might as well replace them with arp studs.

Raaaaaaaaaay. 08-11-2008 09:15 PM

ARP's are way too long. If the OEM length is hard to put in ARP's would be death.

Fa1 08-11-2008 10:30 PM

I'd go for open ended lug nuts anyways. And look on the bright side, you'll only have to put them in once :)

Raaaaaaaaaay. 08-11-2008 10:32 PM

Unless you strip an ARP. Shit happens.
I dread removing my wheels everytime now.

I prefer open end also. Open end lets water build up and cause rust sometimes. ;)

pokems23 08-12-2008 02:09 PM

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So I brought my car to Honda and they deeply apologized. They got it fixed without an appointment. They made sure to tell the techs to torque it to 80 lbs.

Saved 08-12-2008 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by pokems23 (Post 393126)
So I brought my car to Honda and they deeply apologized. They got it fixed without an appointment. They made sure to tell the techs to torque it to 80 lbs.

Did you ask how much they would have charged you under normal circumstances? Just nice to know how much money I saved by doing it myself ya know.

fork_nSpoon 08-12-2008 02:18 PM

if you're gonna DIY do it proper, removed the hub and have a machine shop or somone press that shit out and press a new one back in.

Glad to hear honda got it fixed

next time you change your tires, it'll help if you throw some antiseize on the studs.

kenchan 08-12-2008 03:29 PM

wow, that does look like a pita to remove... :mad:

swaknets 08-13-2008 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 393199)
wow, that does look like a pita to remove... :mad:

replaced two front wheel bearings on my integra, had to separate hub and knuckle also, major PITA:mad:, got the harbor freight $120 12-ton press that helped a lot.

pokems23 08-14-2008 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by fork_nSpoon (Post 393136)
if you're gonna DIY do it proper, removed the hub and have a machine shop or somone press that shit out and press a new one back in.

Glad to hear honda got it fixed

next time you change your tires, it'll help if you throw some antiseize on the studs.

I wasn't trying to do a DIY. I was trying to do a "Help! What the heck do I do now?" That would be great if there was a DIY on how to remove the hub.

Raaaaaaaaaay. 08-14-2008 08:41 PM

Im curious as to what Honda would charge me to replace ALL my lug studs.
At least all 8 fronts.

Ughh... Thinking about doing this before my new wheels. Kinda want to run 5mm spacers.

invaderzahn 09-02-2008 09:23 PM

So I just did the same thing on my Rear Passengers side wheel. All the advice i've seen has to do with the Front wheels, since the rear wheels have different brakes is it easier or harder to fix? Any insight and/or pointers would be much appreciated.

Raaaaaaaaaay. 09-02-2008 09:28 PM

The rears should be the easiest.
Remove the drum covers and the back of the studs should be seen easily.

One of my passenger studs is going to break. I tired to remove my front wheel last week. A few turns and it just stopped.
It was one I replaced too.

kylerwho 09-02-2008 10:17 PM

part number 31 is the wheel stud. just to give you an idea.http://www.hondapartsdeals.com/hpa/i.../71/380164.png

chinese 09-03-2008 06:08 AM

damn dude that sucks.. sorry that had to happen to you..

invaderzahn 09-03-2008 06:49 AM

Thanks for the quick replies everyone. I'm going to try to replace it today after work, I'll let you know how it goes.

Tofuman 09-03-2008 12:33 PM

as mentioned above, you should always use an impact screwdriver when removing the brake rotors. i learn this the hard way too.
i stripped a screw on my old '01 civic's brake rotor and had to drill it out. i got a ride to the hardware store and bought a $10 impact screwdriver on sale. it saved me a ton of time and it works like a charm.
if you haven't used one before, basically it's like one of those screwdrivers with several different heads that can be put in the tip. you line up the screwdriver into the screw, then you hit the back with a hammer. the screwdriver is designed to twist the tip when the back is hit with the hammer. it has a strong pushing force into the screw while twisting which prevents stripping.

invaderzahn 09-03-2008 08:46 PM

Gentlemen the operation was a complete success! Thanks for all your help and advice, the hardest part was getting the brake drum cover (part #3) off. after that it was cake. :)


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