Wow, amazing -- you rail on someone for ". . . attempting to bolster your own self esteem by putting everyone else you deem to be inferior down," then go on two sentences later to make a blindingly racist generalization like, "The Chinese are the worst of all, and are basically hated by all the other asians in the region.". Pure poetry, dude -- you put your foot so far in your mouth it's poking out your a$$.

 

I freely admit total ignorance of "Time Attack." Can someone explain?

 

Actually I didn't. It's not blindingly racist, it's fact. Come to Asian and see the racism, status and class conciousness, and downright hatred for yourself. I see it everyday. Everybody hates everybody else (and the chinese are right at the top of everyone's list, along with the Malaysians and Indians), and everybody thinks everyone else is inferior. Barbarians and barbarous are terms that are frequently used. I want to stress, this is not an opinion, and it is certainly not my opinion. It is a fact.

Getting back to business: What Mav is saying about the construction of the S2000, particularly the role the rear bodywork plays in structural rigidity, piques my interest. I assume that would contribute to some pretty high repair costs, and insurance premiums. Better hope you aren't the unwitting recipiant of a semi-unguided Sedan de Ville up your 6 while sitting a stoplight.

 

One more point, and I am done: If this is "useless on the street, its NOT meant to be a street car," why would the owner put a license plate on it? Plates are conspicuously absent from the photos of the other cars in that post.

 

i'm chinese and i'm a canadian and let me tell you something I'm working my arse off just so i can get the fit...i don't see myself spending my parent's money on my "toys" and try living in toronto...you don't see much racism here. There's racism everywhere...to what point i don't know...but to stereotype all chinese like that is called RACISM. i'm sure there are people of different races here so please watch your language.
can't people just get along? we all have a common interest here so let's not get off topic here.

So mitsubishi is also making a subcompact car huh...more competition for fit to own

 

I lived and worked in Japan for many years, and my wife is native Japanese. While I still don't agree with your statement, 'everyone hates the Chinese' and think it's a bit too general to say about one particular group, I will agree with you that there is quite a bit of animosity between the various countries depending who you speak to. I've met Japanese who were not too found of the Koreans and Chinese, but then I've met the exact reverse too. Of course, the Americas and Europe are hatred free.

As an agent w/ a major insurance provider who writes auto policies every day, I can tell you that the mods on a vehicle normally play no part in the way a vehicle's premium is determined. All vehicles are rated independently by the ISO and given a numeric symbol that's used by all insurance agencies to calculate their premiums. Higher symbols typically generate higher premiums, and while all companies use the same ISO symbols to calculate with, each company will determine its own premium charged for vehicles with each symbol -- i.e. company A may factor their premiums by 1.5 for a symbol 8 vehicle, company B might factor by 1.7. ISO symbols assume a standard unmodded vehicle, so if you have heavy mods and have to file a claim, you will typically not get paid for the mods, just the std. market value of the vehicle at the time of loss. Now, you can add xtra coverage for your mods w/ most companies if you declare the value of the mods and have an appraisal, when needed, if they are of excessive value, which in that case your right, your insurance is gonna be higher than the same car unmodded. Most people though, never declare mods, so it's a moot point in the end. If you have a car like that Amuse S2000, specialty collectors insurers are the ticket to cheaper premiums usually. [Sorry, end of insurance class ]

 

You know what? I just saw this car on I-405 today. A black one going southbound towards Irvine,CA from the 22. It had manufacturer plates and HID. It has a very narrow track. It's like a Smart or an A-Class... but better looking!

Another odd sighting was a Renault Megane (aka Nissan Versa) in Santa Monica, CA.

 

Chikubi: Good points and well taken. Don't apologize about the instruction. Everyday is a school day

Ah Ed: Sorry if I personally offended you. I was generalizing and stereotyping. My fault.

To everyone else (except Mav): I apologize for getting off point and letting mav get under my skin with his "ignorant dumbass" remark.

To my good buddy mav: Don't get so worked up about cars. I could give less than one shit about an Amuse this, or a Mugen that. If you like it, great, if I don't, so be it (I have to admit, on the track, the Amuse seems to look the part). But know this: If you personally insult me, I am going to respond. You seem to create a lot of hate and discontent here, maybe you should take a long look in the mirror, and decide if you really like what you see. Calling people ignorant dumbasses and saying they don't know shit reveals more about you then them. Have a nice day.

 

Rest easy, I have banned myself from this thread...

 

OK I take it back, you're not an ignorant dumbass, you're an ignorant racist, which is far worse. Don't think you know me or can assume things about me. My parents did not buy me anything, everything I have is because of my own hard work. Don't generalize all Chinese people from your limited experience in the region. Seven years does not give you insight into a lifetime of culture, history and social interactions.

Your true colors are showing. You're just another ignorant racist, just like that kid from TN, the only difference is that you at least have half a brain while he is running around on empty.

I'm not worked up at all. I think all this is funny. I'm here to discuss and debate, not make racist insults, like you for example. I don't create hate or discontent, you just hate that I'm right and you're wrong.

BTW, my original ignorant dumbass comment was directed at watermelonman, not you. Good one.

 

So far the most dramatic thread on fitfreak to date... lol

 

Oh of course I acknowledge this. I am fully aware that some people buy expensive cars for reasons that do not include status. However some do.

You're the one who picked the side of the argument that is easily disproved. Not my fault.


Oh I get it, and no amount of caps or bold text will make that untrue.


Actually, you did. I said it wasn't a race car and you came back all upset-sounding and telling me to research the car's frame.


I told you. I love the S2000. I just don't think it's a great place to start for building a track-only competition car. It's not that hard to find a venue that puts the S2000 at disadvantage even in recreational competition, like going against Miatas in some of the tighter autrocross configurations that don't let the S2000 take advantage of its engine.


I'm not arguing with race results. I'm saying that the cars would go faster for less money if they didn't start off as street cars.

Heck, start off with an Atom and the S2000 will lose every time, and that thing is even street legal.

 

Oh I am well aware of the fact that there are special classes for these cars that are very popular and that the cars have awesome performance. I'm just saying that it isn't really my thing. If I'm going to start with a street car, I would like to retain the ability to drive it on the street.

I'm also sure that, given your choice of classes, you can find a modified street car that outperforms a dedicated race car. None of that is really relevant to anything, though. Like you said, it is just a question of which classes are being compared.

Anyway, we're well off topic at this point. The claim was that the S2000 in the third picture of the original post is ugly and I'm sticking to it.

 

Wrong. You make it seem like all owners of high end automobiles buy them to show off status. Don't generalize.

Untrue? And you know this how? Please enlighten me. Please point out where Amuse states that their S2000 GT1 is for street usage and not to be used as a Time Attack race car. I must have missed that press release.

Actually no I didn't, you should learn to read better, seriously.

Wrong again. Again I must ask, how did the ASM S2000 achieve the fastest time for FE RWD NA car in the Tsukuba Lap Battle? How did the AJ Racing S2000 win the Limited FR Class Super Street Time Attack? In autox competition, the S2000 has consistently beat the Miata, even in small, tight track configurations. Explain that.

Wrong once more. What would you classify as a dedicated race car? Formula 1 car? CART, Indy, Lemans? I can only guesstimate the costs of a F1 car, like the Honda RA106, and its probably well into the millions, maybe in the $5 to $7 million range. How much does the Amuse S2000 GT1 cost? Not several million dollars, thats for sure. So no you cannot go faster for less money.

 

S2000 owners respond to the Fit freakos - http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...f=148&t=380451

I guess this sort of crap is what you get when you go into a forum based on a sub-$15,000 car. Since the price of entry is so low, it attracts little immature kids and low income people, especially if the Fit is your only car. Of course you're going to bash the Amuse S2000, the price of the body work alone is equal to the price of your little Fit. Like Mav said, its all due to jealously. Plus you're angry. Angry that you can't afford anything better than a $15,000 car so you're lashing out at the world. Its OK, get professional help.

And BKKJack should rename his screen name to KKKJack. It would "fit" him better. LOL

 

Sheesh!

 

For those of you actually interested in the Mitsubishi aspect of this bastardized thread, here's a link to an article from Autoweek about this exact Mitsubishi, and how they've imported one in to the U.S. for testing.

http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...73242156968714

 

No, I didn't. You read that into my words because you apparently wanted something to argue with.


Untrue because I do understand the purpose of the Amuse S2000. Again, no amount of caps, bold text, or blowhard whining is going to change that.


Then what exactly is your claim? I said the S2000 is not a race car and you told me I was wrong and that I needed to come back after researching the frame. What exactly is the point of those words if you are not actually refuting the original statement?


If you can't find evidence of a Miata topping an S2000 on a small and tight autocross course, well, no amount of typing can help you.


What do you not understand about designing a car up for the purpose of racing as compared to designing a car for the purpose of consumer sales and then modifying it for racing? Dollar for dollar, pound for pound, you're going to lose every time when you start with street car constraints. Chikubi seems to agree and you seem to agree with him. You just want to argue with me, don't you?

You're probably just pissed at me personally because I called your glorious Amuse S2000 ugly. Why do you even care? Good thing you tried to call me shallow earlier.

 

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You registered just to post this worthless and trite load of crap?

So, tell me, what exactly is the difference between your attititude ("angry that you can't afford anything better than a $15,000 car so you're lashing out at the world") and the one you are speaking out against?

Also, it looks like the first conversation you started on this topic didn't quite go according to plan -
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...pic=380450&hl=

"POS looks like it was beaten with the fake-carbon fiber Type-R ugly stick."

"That s2000 looks like a cheap transformer knock-off. I don't care if its all functional."

Good work!

 

*sigh*


Give it up already, if you don't like the amuse s2000, who cares? It's more of a car than any of you sissy fit owners can handle.


now go suck some balls and get a real car you posers