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Old May 4, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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Remco
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Re: Civic Battery Dead

While driving a car, you should see about 14 V (another post mentions
14.5V) across the battery.
I'd carefully check the connection from the alternator to the battery
and both connections on the battery -- take them off and clean them.

Also make sure you have a good ground: put the multimeter from the
battery negative to the body of the alternator -- you can measure it
with the resistance setting, but most meters have a hard time with low
resistances. It is better to put the meter to measure voltage and start
the car. You may see something in the order of 100 mV or so but nothing
like volts. Also clean off the ground connection.

Make sure your belt is not slipping.

Chances are your alternator is bad. In my area (CT) repair shops exist
that will fix them for around $40. You could probably also get a good
replacement alternator off eBay.

Remco

 
Old May 4, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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Pat
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Re: Civic Battery Dead


"Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107438514.812082.198160@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> While driving a car, you should see about 14 V (another post mentions
> 14.5V) across the battery.
> I'd carefully check the connection from the alternator to the battery
> and both connections on the battery -- take them off and clean them.
>
> Also make sure you have a good ground: put the multimeter from the
> battery negative to the body of the alternator -- you can measure it
> with the resistance setting, but most meters have a hard time with low
> resistances. It is better to put the meter to measure voltage and start
> the car. You may see something in the order of 100 mV or so but nothing
> like volts. Also clean off the ground connection.
>
> Make sure your belt is not slipping.
>
> Chances are your alternator is bad. In my area (CT) repair shops exist
> that will fix them for around $40. You could probably also get a good
> replacement alternator off eBay.
>
> Remco
>


It'll be a day before I can verify what you recommended here. Regards $40,
you mean $400 for parts and labor, don't you? The Sears shop quoted around
$350 for the whole job and the Honda dealer quoted $450. The Sears guy said
it was difficult to get the alternator off the car and he would have to take
off some other components to get at it, therefore the high labor cost.


 
Old May 4, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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SoCalMike
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Re: Civic Battery Dead

Pat wrote:
> "Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1107438514.812082.198160@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>While driving a car, you should see about 14 V (another post mentions
>>14.5V) across the battery.
>>I'd carefully check the connection from the alternator to the battery
>>and both connections on the battery -- take them off and clean them.
>>
>>Also make sure you have a good ground: put the multimeter from the
>>battery negative to the body of the alternator -- you can measure it
>>with the resistance setting, but most meters have a hard time with low
>>resistances. It is better to put the meter to measure voltage and start
>>the car. You may see something in the order of 100 mV or so but nothing
>>like volts. Also clean off the ground connection.
>>
>>Make sure your belt is not slipping.
>>
>>Chances are your alternator is bad. In my area (CT) repair shops exist
>>that will fix them for around $40. You could probably also get a good
>>replacement alternator off eBay.
>>
>>Remco
>>

>
>
> It'll be a day before I can verify what you recommended here. Regards $40,
> you mean $400 for parts and labor, don't you? The Sears shop quoted around
> $350 for the whole job and the Honda dealer quoted $450. The Sears guy said
> it was difficult to get the alternator off the car and he would have to take
> off some other components to get at it, therefore the high labor cost.
>
>


it *should* come out the bottom, with a little twisting around. if
theyre removing parts, they arent doing the job right.
 
Old May 4, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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Pat
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"SoCalMike" <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Pat wrote:
> > "Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1107438514.812082.198160@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> >>While driving a car, you should see about 14 V (another post mentions
> >>14.5V) across the battery.
> >>I'd carefully check the connection from the alternator to the battery
> >>and both connections on the battery -- take them off and clean them.
> >>
> >>Also make sure you have a good ground: put the multimeter from the
> >>battery negative to the body of the alternator -- you can measure it
> >>with the resistance setting, but most meters have a hard time with low
> >>resistances. It is better to put the meter to measure voltage and start
> >>the car. You may see something in the order of 100 mV or so but nothing
> >>like volts. Also clean off the ground connection.
> >>
> >>Make sure your belt is not slipping.
> >>
> >>Chances are your alternator is bad. In my area (CT) repair shops exist
> >>that will fix them for around $40. You could probably also get a good
> >>replacement alternator off eBay.
> >>
> >>Remco
> >>

> >
> >
> > It'll be a day before I can verify what you recommended here. Regards

$40,
> > you mean $400 for parts and labor, don't you? The Sears shop quoted

around
> > $350 for the whole job and the Honda dealer quoted $450. The Sears guy

said
> > it was difficult to get the alternator off the car and he would have to

take
> > off some other components to get at it, therefore the high labor cost.
> >
> >

>
> it *should* come out the bottom, with a little twisting around. if
> theyre removing parts, they arent doing the job right.


Great input, I'll know more Friday. Thanks for the tip!


 
Old May 4, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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Remco
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Re: Civic Battery Dead

No, I mean $40 to have the alternator repaired: You take it off the
car, They'll fix it.
The one I've used does alternators and starters (these are more than
$40). Alternators often just have their diodes blown and are usually
pretty easy to fix, from what they've told me.

There might be similar shops in your area - it pays to shop around.

I've bought car parts on ebay and it has worked out for me so maybe
that is a good option for you too.
For instance, here's an alternator that seems to fit your car ending
Feb-04-05 23:07:19 PST:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6763

 
Old May 4, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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Pat
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"Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> No, I mean $40 to have the alternator repaired: You take it off the
> car, They'll fix it.
> The one I've used does alternators and starters (these are more than
> $40). Alternators often just have their diodes blown and are usually
> pretty easy to fix, from what they've told me.
>
> There might be similar shops in your area - it pays to shop around.
>
> I've bought car parts on ebay and it has worked out for me so maybe
> that is a good option for you too.
> For instance, here's an alternator that seems to fit your car ending



Worth a try.

How long can you drive with a brand new battery not recharging? For example,
can you make a few runs to a super market to buy groceries that is a
half-mile away?


 
Old May 4, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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Remco
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Re: Civic Battery Dead

You can't drive your car not too long with the battery not charging --
exactly how long would be hard to say because it depends on the load:
If it is cold, you might turn on your heating fan. If you are driving
at night, you will need to turn on your lights.

I would not count on it as it may leave you stranded. Murphy's law
dictates that it will be under the worst of circumstances.

Btw, when later you are able to check your alternator, try putting your
voltmeter across the output of the alternator (at the alternator's
larger connection and on its body). Be careful that the leads are not
getting tangled in the belt and keep your hands clear, obviously. You
should see 14V or more there when the car is running. If you don't,
chances are that your alternator is bad.

Also, should you need to replace it, be sure to get your hands on a
repair manual on your car. I am pretty sure that you need to take a
couple of things off and the alternator comes out from below on a
civic.

If you have never done it before, follow the instructions, take breaks
when you need them and take your time - you can do it.

Remco

 
Old May 4, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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Pat
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Re: Civic Battery Dead


"Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> You can't drive your car not too long with the battery not charging --
> exactly how long would be hard to say because it depends on the load:
> If it is cold, you might turn on your heating fan. If you are driving
> at night, you will need to turn on your lights.
>
> I would not count on it as it may leave you stranded. Murphy's law
> dictates that it will be under the worst of circumstances.
>
> Btw, when later you are able to check your alternator, try putting your
> voltmeter across the output of the alternator (at the alternator's
> larger connection and on its body). Be careful that the leads are not
> getting tangled in the belt and keep your hands clear, obviously. You
> should see 14V or more there when the car is running. If you don't,
> chances are that your alternator is bad.
>
> Also, should you need to replace it, be sure to get your hands on a
> repair manual on your car. I am pretty sure that you need to take a
> couple of things off and the alternator comes out from below on a
> civic.
>
> If you have never done it before, follow the instructions, take breaks
> when you need them and take your time - you can do it.
>
> Remco




Checking at the alternator seems like the best way to get at the root of the
problem.

When driving the car to a Honda specialist on Monday morning it'll have
nothing on except the car working the spark plugs, with no lights, heater,
et al. Isn't that the lightest possible load? All I need to get is about 5
miles.


 
Old May 4, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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Remco
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Re: Civic Battery Dead

It will get you there. Hope you'll get it fixed soon.
Remco

 
Old May 4, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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Pat
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"Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It will get you there. Hope you'll get it fixed soon.
> Remco
>


Brought it to the shop and its the alternator. Being worked on as I type.
Thanks!


 
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