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Old 08-21-2005, 12:35 PM
irnmdn@email.com
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Who does NOT agree that Honda should fire their designers

and the guys who hired them.
In past past 3 years we had Accord, Ridgeline and the upcoming Saturn
inspired Civic - enough said.

 
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Old 08-21-2005, 01:48 PM
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<irnmdn@email.com> wrote in message
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> and the guys who hired them.
> In past past 3 years we had Accord, Ridgeline and the upcoming Saturn
> inspired Civic - enough said.


What would that solve?


 
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Old 08-21-2005, 04:30 PM
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Re: Who does NOT agree that Honda should fire their designers

In article <1124641249.418976.281400@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups .com>,
irnmdn@email.com wrote:

> and the guys who hired them.
> In past past 3 years we had Accord, Ridgeline and the upcoming Saturn
> inspired Civic - enough said.


I agree that Honda design has gone downhill--at a rate generally the
same as their product quality.

I liked the 98-02 Accord look. The 03 model is fugly.

Now go look at an 06 Hyundai Sonata. They got it right--it's just about
the same overall look as the Accord, but with the details right.

Haven't seen the Civic.

 
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Old 08-21-2005, 05:30 PM
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irnmdn@email.com wrote:
> and the guys who hired them.
> In past past 3 years we had Accord, Ridgeline and the upcoming Saturn
> inspired Civic - enough said.
>

IMO, the ridgeline is a dud. the element isnt as popular, since the
scion xB came out with a lower price and better mileage. civic is as
boring as a focus, and at least the focus offers a hatch. accord styling
is still slowly growing on me, but i doubt ill ever like it as much as
the last generation or the one 2 generations before that.

maybe the jazz will be interesting? i hope.
 
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Old 08-21-2005, 05:30 PM
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Re: Who does NOT agree that Honda should fire their designers

In article <1124641249.418976.281400@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups .com>, irnmdn@email.com wrote:
>and the guys who hired them.
>In past past 3 years we had Accord, Ridgeline and the upcoming Saturn
>inspired Civic - enough said.


Not sure about the next gen Civic, but otherwise agree they've been
on a downhill slope. Though I wouldn't say much positive about
the last gen Prelude either. Hondas have never been the most
stylish, but in the past looked clean and light. OTOH, I do like
the Acura TSX and (sort of) TL.
 
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Old 08-22-2005, 09:08 AM
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Agreed - Element, CRV, Ridgeline, Accord and now the fugly new civic. Just amazes me how much Honda has gone down hill. While some may like the new civics’ interior I find it too busy and cluttered. The new civic is larger than the accord of yesterday. We need a new car from Honda to replace the civic. Maybe the fit is what is called for. I believe a lot is riding on the US release of the fit.
While other companies have been coming up with great designs that fit a nitch in the market I think Honda is relying too much on their product reputation and loyalty buyers. They should seriously reconsider their design team’s direction.
 
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Old 08-22-2005, 09:30 AM
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Re: Who does NOT agree that Honda should fire their designers

I'm more about the mechanic rather then the design which should not hamper
the vehicle's purpose. Example, Mercedes new line of sedan, with a very
sleek design, but crappy rear head room (which is stupid in my opinion).

Pars


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> and the guys who hired them.
> In past past 3 years we had Accord, Ridgeline and the upcoming Saturn
> inspired Civic - enough said.
>



 
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Old 08-22-2005, 02:49 PM
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Re: Who does NOT agree that Honda should fire their designers

Sorry to beat a dead horse here but I also agree. I'm not too fond of
the current Accord (although the 06 with the LEDs looks more
appealing) and the new 06 Civic looks awful (what were they thinking
with the steering wheel). I had wished they brought the Euro Accord
(our TSX) over as the Accord.
I'm looking to get the TSX, but I wished its interior was available in
cloth as I throw stuff in the backseat and am afraid of tearing the
leather.

Nick


On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:08:47 -0400, nospam@nospam.com wrote:

>
>Agreed - Element, CRV, Ridgeline, Accord and now the fugly new civic.
>Just amazes me how much Honda has gone down hill. While some may like
>the new civics’ interior I find it too busy and cluttered. The new
>civic is larger than the accord of yesterday. We need a new car from
>Honda to replace the civic. Maybe the fit is what is called for. I
>believe a lot is riding on the US release of the fit.
>While other companies have been coming up with great designs that fit a
>nitch in the market I think Honda is relying too much on their product
>reputation and loyalty buyers. They should seriously reconsider their
>design team’s direction.

 
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Old 08-22-2005, 08:31 PM
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<irnmdn@email.com> wrote in message
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> and the guys who hired them.
> In past past 3 years we had Accord, Ridgeline and the upcoming Saturn
> inspired Civic - enough said.
>


The Accord coupe is OK from my standpoint. And, I have quite a few
compliments on my 01 Prelude. The Pilot (which we also have) is just
fine -- certainly at least as appealing as the SUV from other manufacturers.
As far as quality goes -- no problems with the Pilot or my Prelude.


 
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Old 08-23-2005, 08:32 AM
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Re: Who does NOT agree that Honda should fire their designers

That's all I've been hearing for the past several generations of Hondas.
People crying about the styling and the general consensus is, "it's too
mundane" !. And then, everyone else ends-up copying the same style or
praising the fact that the style 'grows on you'. These wee-wee brains that
are all about the style, should be put in the back seat.

Pars

> Sorry to beat a dead horse here but I also agree. I'm not too fond of
> the current Accord (although the 06 with the LEDs looks more
> appealing) and the new 06 Civic looks awful (what were they thinking
> with the steering wheel). I had wished they brought the Euro Accord
> (our TSX) over as the Accord.
> I'm looking to get the TSX, but I wished its interior was available in
> cloth as I throw stuff in the backseat and am afraid of tearing the
> leather.
>
> Nick
>
>
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:08:47 -0400, nospam@nospam.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Agreed - Element, CRV, Ridgeline, Accord and now the fugly new civic.
> >Just amazes me how much Honda has gone down hill. While some may like
> >the new civics' interior I find it too busy and cluttered. The new
> >civic is larger than the accord of yesterday. We need a new car from
> >Honda to replace the civic. Maybe the fit is what is called for. I
> >believe a lot is riding on the US release of the fit.
> >While other companies have been coming up with great designs that fit a
> >nitch in the market I think Honda is relying too much on their product
> >reputation and loyalty buyers. They should seriously reconsider their
> >design team's direction.



 
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Old 08-23-2005, 09:46 AM
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Re: Who does NOT agree that Honda should fire their designers

That's maybe what you have been hearing but I have been hearing
complaints with this latest generation Accord. I've like the Accord
line up until the latest gen. Also note that Nissan had the front end
light design on the Altima before they came out on the Accord. It's
just that Honda had a bad way of deigning the front grill and rear. If
you think that Honda was doing such a good job on the most recent
Accord, then why are they completely changing the back end on the
sedan in the 06? I'll tell you one reason, decline in sales of the
Accord.

Nick




On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:10:31 -0400, "Pars" <sdaro(remove)@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>That's all I've been hearing for the past several generations of Hondas.
>People crying about the styling and the general consensus is, "it's too
>mundane" !. And then, everyone else ends-up copying the same style or
>praising the fact that the style 'grows on you'. These wee-wee brains that
>are all about the style, should be put in the back seat.
>
>Pars
>
>> Sorry to beat a dead horse here but I also agree. I'm not too fond of
>> the current Accord (although the 06 with the LEDs looks more
>> appealing) and the new 06 Civic looks awful (what were they thinking
>> with the steering wheel). I had wished they brought the Euro Accord
>> (our TSX) over as the Accord.
>> I'm looking to get the TSX, but I wished its interior was available in
>> cloth as I throw stuff in the backseat and am afraid of tearing the
>> leather.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:08:47 -0400, nospam@nospam.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Agreed - Element, CRV, Ridgeline, Accord and now the fugly new civic.
>> >Just amazes me how much Honda has gone down hill. While some may like
>> >the new civics' interior I find it too busy and cluttered. The new
>> >civic is larger than the accord of yesterday. We need a new car from
>> >Honda to replace the civic. Maybe the fit is what is called for. I
>> >believe a lot is riding on the US release of the fit.
>> >While other companies have been coming up with great designs that fit a
>> >nitch in the market I think Honda is relying too much on their product
>> >reputation and loyalty buyers. They should seriously reconsider their
>> >design team's direction.

>

 
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Old 08-23-2005, 10:07 AM
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[QUOTE=Pars]That's all I've been hearing for the past several generations of Hondas.

People crying about the styling and the general consensus is, "it's too

mundane" !. And then, everyone else ends-up copying the same style or

praising the fact that the style 'grows on you'. These wee-wee brains that

are all about the style, should be put in the back seat.





These wee-wee brains? With all due respect I’ve owned 5 civics. 93, 96, 01, 03 and now a 04 SI. I won't own the new model civic. The new dash won't grow on me. Can you name any manufacture that has copied Hondas Style? Except maybe Kia or Hyundai. Who cares about them? I’m talking major manufactures? It's Honda that is copying others. Look at the new accord then mosey on over to Nissan. Similar aren't they?



The wanna be Acura won’t cut it. Who needs navigation in a Civic? Are you lost yet? I want a small nimble fuel efficient sporty car. Not a baby Acura. I will be going somewhere else for my next car or waiting four-five years to see what they do next generation. It can only go downhill. What Honda needs to do is bring back the CRX. Or better yet the Euro version of the civic with exception to the dash which needs to go. It is Fugly.

 
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:42 AM
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:30:50 -0400, Nick
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> I had wished they brought the Euro Accord
>(our TSX) over as the Accord.
>


The Acura TSX is just plain gorgeous.
A REALLY good design.

The powers that be at Honda just decided that we Americans would be
satisfied with the current American Accord design.
Got to give the people a reason to move up to Acura, right ?

In Europe, Honda didn't have that luxury.
There's some SERIOUS competition in that category designwise...Citroen
and Peugot have some beauties...and then there's Alfa-Romeo.
So they practically HAD to use the TSX as their Accord over there.

I visited Europe recently, and they have MUCH better looking cars over
there. A MUCH greater selection in the low to mid-priced sports sedan
category. Honda sells a car that looks like our current Civic si
Hatchback, except it has 4 doors . The car is hot.
A damned shame we can't get it in the US.

Cheers, --N

 
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:42 AM
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With a very few exceptions,I consider BMW's Saab's and Volvo's to be the
most unstylish vehicles I have ever seen.They are nothing but boxes on
wheels in my opinion,a LOT worse style wise than any Honda product.To
each his own I guess.

 
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:32 AM
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:04:14 -0700, SAC441@webtv.net (SAC 441) wrote:

>With a very few exceptions,I consider BMW's Saab's and Volvo's to be the
>most unstylish vehicles I have ever seen.They are nothing but boxes on
>wheels in my opinion,a LOT worse style wise than any Honda product.To
>each his own I guess.


Got to agree with you about the new BMW's.
Damn, they're ugly.

Saab also took a step back with their new designs.
But Volvos are looking good lately. They've got some beauties in the
pipeline. They're gonna go after the sports sedan market hard.
Honda still has some great stuff...it's just that a lot of it is in
Europe and not available in America.
In my previous post, I was referring specifically to marques that
aren't available in the US. Peugot has some smoking models all across
their range. And the Alfas...Damn, you should see one in person.
Europeans have really embraced the hot hatchback category.
I really wish we had more of a selection here in the US.

Cheers, --N
 
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Old 08-24-2005, 04:31 PM
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In article <c30pg1554i5j19v8au8c5b04p6vlodfuv4@4ax.com>,
noydb <noydb@yahoo.com> wrote:

> But Volvos are looking good lately. They've got some beauties in the
> pipeline. They're gonna go after the sports sedan market hard.


With Ford chassis.

Wheeee.

 
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:59 PM
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noydb wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:30:50 -0400, Nick
> <npolite@NOSPAMMONKEYS.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I had wished they brought the Euro Accord
>>(our TSX) over as the Accord.
>>

>
>
> The Acura TSX is just plain gorgeous.
> A REALLY good design.
> category. Honda sells a car that looks like our current Civic si
> Hatchback, except it has 4 doors . The car is hot.
> A damned shame we can't get it in the US.
>
> Cheers, --N
>


Have a look at the next EU civic (not available in US) at
http://www.honda.co.uk/

Good lookin eh ???
 
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:34 PM
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noydb wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:30:50 -0400, Nick
> <npolite@NOSPAMMONKEYS.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I had wished they brought the Euro Accord
>>(our TSX) over as the Accord.
>>

>
>
> The Acura TSX is just plain gorgeous.
> A REALLY good design.


im glad they brought it in. i think they went with a bigger car as the
accord because the market wants that. otherwise, the door would be wide
open for the camry, and the even bigger stretched avalon.
>
> The powers that be at Honda just decided that we Americans would be
> satisfied with the current American Accord design.
> Got to give the people a reason to move up to Acura, right ?


yeah. wish the RSX wasnt so freakin boring though.
>
> In Europe, Honda didn't have that luxury.
> There's some SERIOUS competition in that category designwise...Citroen
> and Peugot have some beauties...and then there's Alfa-Romeo.
> So they practically HAD to use the TSX as their Accord over there.
>
> I visited Europe recently, and they have MUCH better looking cars over
> there. A MUCH greater selection in the low to mid-priced sports sedan
> category. Honda sells a car that looks like our current Civic si
> Hatchback, except it has 4 doors . The car is hot.
> A damned shame we can't get it in the US.


yet, grasshopper... yet. if they build it, we will come! all signs point
to spring for the 4 door jazz/fit to come to the states. too bad its not
september, but oh well...

they really need to do something to stem the tide of people flocking to
the scion xA and xB. the tC is also a nice car for the money, and
probably a better sport coupe value than the acura RSX.
>
> Cheers, --N
>

 
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:34 PM
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noydb wrote:
>
> Saab also took a step back with their new designs.


saab is completely GMs bitch, now. their "new" SUV is a rebadged clone.
look for them to turn into another isuzu... a lame duck company waiting
to die.
 
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:34 PM
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Bozo wrote:
> noydb wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:30:50 -0400, Nick
>> <npolite@NOSPAMMONKEYS.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I had wished they brought the Euro Accord
>>> (our TSX) over as the Accord.

>>
>>
>>
>> The Acura TSX is just plain gorgeous.
>> A REALLY good design.
>> category. Honda sells a car that looks like our current Civic si
>> Hatchback, except it has 4 doors . The car is hot.
>> A damned shame we can't get it in the US.
>>
>> Cheers, --N
>>

>
>
> Have a look at the next EU civic (not available in US) at
> http://www.honda.co.uk/
>
> Good lookin eh ???



i fookin <3 it.

the seat arrangement is supposedly similar to the fit/jazz. i do like
the fact its a 4 door that looks like a 2 door, and its a hatch. suh-weet.
 


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