Fog Lights
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Fog Lights
Are fog lights really a necessity? I feel that, some time ago, a
manufacturer added fog lamps to its line as a cost-effective marketing ploy.
Of course, all others followed suit.
I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally unwarranted
(forgot they were on?).
manufacturer added fog lamps to its line as a cost-effective marketing ploy.
Of course, all others followed suit.
I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally unwarranted
(forgot they were on?).
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Re: Fog Lights
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:32:56 GMT, "lynsam" <lynsam@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>Are fog lights really a necessity? I feel that, some time ago, a
>manufacturer added fog lamps to its line as a cost-effective marketing ploy.
>Of course, all others followed suit.
>
>I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally unwarranted
>(forgot they were on?).
You are not alone in your skepticism, brother. In the vast majority of
autos, they serve no more purpose than the dice hanging from the
rear-view. A former contributor to this forum, George McDonald, is
sorely missed because of his huge fund of knowledge (unless he's still
here with a pseudonym). He pointed out several times that fog lamps
were designed ONLY to allow the driver to determine where the edge of
the road is in fog so thick that headlamps could not penetrate it even
as far as the pavement. These conditions are almost NEVER encountered
in 99% of the continental US, but when they are, one would probably be
driving no more than 5 mph. How often do any of us encounter fog like
that? While there are EXTREMELY rare owners who have legitimate uses
for fog lamps, the overwhelming majority of fog lamps serve NO purpose
other than flooding the retinas of oncoming drivers and thereby
actually reducing to some extent the safety of the person "using"
them.
I think that fog lamps are so foolish that their implementation should
be restricted in some way -- like overly tinted windows, driving
exclusively in the left lane of freeways, faulty mufflers, etc.
Turning them on when the weather's not inclement should be a minor
misdemeanor.
<let the flaming begin>
Ron
wrote:
>Are fog lights really a necessity? I feel that, some time ago, a
>manufacturer added fog lamps to its line as a cost-effective marketing ploy.
>Of course, all others followed suit.
>
>I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally unwarranted
>(forgot they were on?).
You are not alone in your skepticism, brother. In the vast majority of
autos, they serve no more purpose than the dice hanging from the
rear-view. A former contributor to this forum, George McDonald, is
sorely missed because of his huge fund of knowledge (unless he's still
here with a pseudonym). He pointed out several times that fog lamps
were designed ONLY to allow the driver to determine where the edge of
the road is in fog so thick that headlamps could not penetrate it even
as far as the pavement. These conditions are almost NEVER encountered
in 99% of the continental US, but when they are, one would probably be
driving no more than 5 mph. How often do any of us encounter fog like
that? While there are EXTREMELY rare owners who have legitimate uses
for fog lamps, the overwhelming majority of fog lamps serve NO purpose
other than flooding the retinas of oncoming drivers and thereby
actually reducing to some extent the safety of the person "using"
them.
I think that fog lamps are so foolish that their implementation should
be restricted in some way -- like overly tinted windows, driving
exclusively in the left lane of freeways, faulty mufflers, etc.
Turning them on when the weather's not inclement should be a minor
misdemeanor.
<let the flaming begin>
Ron
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Re: Fog Lights
"lynsam" <lynsam@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Are fog lights really a necessity? I feel that, some time ago, a
> manufacturer added fog lamps to its line as a cost-effective marketing
> ploy. Of course, all others followed suit.
>
> I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally unwarranted
> (forgot they were on?).
Actually, I believe it is a case of those drivers being too ignorant or
stupid to turn the fog lights off.
Brian
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Re: Fog Lights
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:32:56 GMT, "lynsam" <lynsam@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>Are fog lights really a necessity? I feel that, some time ago, a
>manufacturer added fog lamps to its line as a cost-effective marketing ploy.
>Of course, all others followed suit.
>
>I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally unwarranted
>(forgot they were on?).
>
>
In the UK, it is an offense to drive with front or rear fog lights in
operation when the visibility is greater than 100metres.
As for notbeing able to turn them off - i had a little test in my
wifes 96 town+country. The front fogs operate by pulling out the
headlight dial when it is at the dipped 9low beam) position. When the
lights are turrned off, the dial moves itself back in, thus
extinguishing the lights, and requiring them to be manually enabled
the next time.
Rear fog lights, however (which don't seem to even be an option in the
US, let alone standard) are often toggle-switched. Many's the person
i've seen tootling around in their Ford fiesta with the bracketed fog
light on, in broad daylight. (typically rear fog lights use the same
wattage bulbs as brake lights, but are docused to give light in a
20-ish degree cone directly behind the car - very much a
position/marker light.
wrote:
>Are fog lights really a necessity? I feel that, some time ago, a
>manufacturer added fog lamps to its line as a cost-effective marketing ploy.
>Of course, all others followed suit.
>
>I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally unwarranted
>(forgot they were on?).
>
>
In the UK, it is an offense to drive with front or rear fog lights in
operation when the visibility is greater than 100metres.
As for notbeing able to turn them off - i had a little test in my
wifes 96 town+country. The front fogs operate by pulling out the
headlight dial when it is at the dipped 9low beam) position. When the
lights are turrned off, the dial moves itself back in, thus
extinguishing the lights, and requiring them to be manually enabled
the next time.
Rear fog lights, however (which don't seem to even be an option in the
US, let alone standard) are often toggle-switched. Many's the person
i've seen tootling around in their Ford fiesta with the bracketed fog
light on, in broad daylight. (typically rear fog lights use the same
wattage bulbs as brake lights, but are docused to give light in a
20-ish degree cone directly behind the car - very much a
position/marker light.
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Re: Fog Lights
Milleron <millerdot90@SPAMlessosu.edu> wrote in
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> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:32:56 GMT, "lynsam" <lynsam@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Are fog lights really a necessity? I feel that, some time ago, a
>>manufacturer added fog lamps to its line as a cost-effective marketing
>>ploy. Of course, all others followed suit.
>>
>>I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally
>>unwarranted (forgot they were on?).
>
> You are not alone in your skepticism, brother. In the vast majority of
> autos, they serve no more purpose than the dice hanging from the
> rear-view. A former contributor to this forum, George McDonald,
The surname is spelled "Macdonald".
> is
> sorely missed because of his huge fund of knowledge
Yep.
> (unless he's still
> here with a pseudonym). He pointed out several times that fog lamps
> were designed ONLY to allow the driver to determine where the edge of
> the road is in fog so thick that headlamps could not penetrate it even
> as far as the pavement.
Not quite. Foglamps are supposed to provide *more* light at the pavement
than headlights could alone in heavy fog.
Few cars are actually equipped with "fog" lamps from the factory. Most of
them are more properly called "auxiliary" lamps, and are more akin to
"driving" lamps that are not supposed to be used in fog. My Integra has
those. They're mostly useless under any conditions, actually.
Aucxiliary lights in most of North America seem to be mostly provided as a
"value-added" item used by automakers to help differentiate lower-spec
models from higher-spec ones.
> These conditions are almost NEVER encountered
> in 99% of the continental US, but when they are, one would probably be
> driving no more than 5 mph. How often do any of us encounter fog like
> that? While there are EXTREMELY rare owners who have legitimate uses
> for fog lamps, the overwhelming majority of fog lamps serve NO purpose
> other than flooding the retinas of oncoming drivers and thereby
> actually reducing to some extent the safety of the person "using"
> them.
>
> I think that fog lamps are so foolish that their implementation should
> be restricted in some way
They are. In many jurisdictions, bylaws exist that restrict or prohibit
usage in urban areas. Not that this gets enforced much...
If you want some real bang-up information, try posting this exact thing to
rec.autos.tech. There is one poster who works in the automotive lighting
industry, and this specific subject is one of his sore points.
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news:1vqjg11jsgs56n7ab12dcghvou8vscojit@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:32:56 GMT, "lynsam" <lynsam@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Are fog lights really a necessity? I feel that, some time ago, a
>>manufacturer added fog lamps to its line as a cost-effective marketing
>>ploy. Of course, all others followed suit.
>>
>>I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally
>>unwarranted (forgot they were on?).
>
> You are not alone in your skepticism, brother. In the vast majority of
> autos, they serve no more purpose than the dice hanging from the
> rear-view. A former contributor to this forum, George McDonald,
The surname is spelled "Macdonald".
> is
> sorely missed because of his huge fund of knowledge
Yep.
> (unless he's still
> here with a pseudonym). He pointed out several times that fog lamps
> were designed ONLY to allow the driver to determine where the edge of
> the road is in fog so thick that headlamps could not penetrate it even
> as far as the pavement.
Not quite. Foglamps are supposed to provide *more* light at the pavement
than headlights could alone in heavy fog.
Few cars are actually equipped with "fog" lamps from the factory. Most of
them are more properly called "auxiliary" lamps, and are more akin to
"driving" lamps that are not supposed to be used in fog. My Integra has
those. They're mostly useless under any conditions, actually.
Aucxiliary lights in most of North America seem to be mostly provided as a
"value-added" item used by automakers to help differentiate lower-spec
models from higher-spec ones.
> These conditions are almost NEVER encountered
> in 99% of the continental US, but when they are, one would probably be
> driving no more than 5 mph. How often do any of us encounter fog like
> that? While there are EXTREMELY rare owners who have legitimate uses
> for fog lamps, the overwhelming majority of fog lamps serve NO purpose
> other than flooding the retinas of oncoming drivers and thereby
> actually reducing to some extent the safety of the person "using"
> them.
>
> I think that fog lamps are so foolish that their implementation should
> be restricted in some way
They are. In many jurisdictions, bylaws exist that restrict or prohibit
usage in urban areas. Not that this gets enforced much...
If you want some real bang-up information, try posting this exact thing to
rec.autos.tech. There is one poster who works in the automotive lighting
industry, and this specific subject is one of his sore points.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
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Re: Fog Lights
flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
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>
> Rear fog lights, however (which don't seem to even be an option in the
> US, let alone standard)
Manufacturers have been legally required to install rear fogs in the UK
since about the early '90s, IIRC.
An interesting snippet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_signal#Rear_Fog_Lamps
The vast majority of North American drivers will experience UK-style fog
maybe once or twice in their entire lives. Rear fogs are not really
necessary here.
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>
> Rear fog lights, however (which don't seem to even be an option in the
> US, let alone standard)
Manufacturers have been legally required to install rear fogs in the UK
since about the early '90s, IIRC.
An interesting snippet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_signal#Rear_Fog_Lamps
The vast majority of North American drivers will experience UK-style fog
maybe once or twice in their entire lives. Rear fogs are not really
necessary here.
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Re: Fog Lights
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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>
> Manufacturers have been legally required to install rear fogs in the UK
> since about the early '90s, IIRC.
>
> An interesting snippet:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_signal#Rear_Fog_Lamps
>
> The vast majority of North American drivers will experience UK-style fog
> maybe once or twice in their entire lives. Rear fogs are not really
> necessary here.
Here in Nova Scotia it's fairly common to see vehicles with the rear fog
lights. Or the brighter than usual rear tailight on the side close to the
centre line of the roadway.
Brian
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Re: Fog Lights
On 22 Aug 2005 21:23:29 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
>news:ht0kg1ttomb1745323c9r3m9n99v5r778i@4ax.com :
>
>>
>> Rear fog lights, however (which don't seem to even be an option in the
>> US, let alone standard)
>
>
>
>Manufacturers have been legally required to install rear fogs in the UK
>since about the early '90s, IIRC.
Way before that. early 80s AFAIK.mid at the latest.
>
>An interesting snippet:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_signal#Rear_Fog_Lamps
Interesting page. SEems to ahve been written by an american though who
has little experiance of uk laws and practices. A clear example is
"For this reason, many European vehicles imported to the United States
have their rear fog lamps wired as brake lamps" Brake and fog lights
typically use the same power bulbs, yes, but a brake light is not a
focused beam, a fog light is, directed almost totally aft. They're
designed to be intentionally bright from behind. Not good to dazzle
with an intense pseudo brake light.
>
>The vast majority of North American drivers will experience UK-style fog
>maybe once or twice in their entire lives. Rear fogs are not really
>necessary here.
ACtually, i have had more severe lack of visibility here in georgia in
the last 3 months. One time, 5 weeks ago, visibility was so bad, i
could barely see the lines even with my head out the window,5 feet in
front of the vehicle. I was crawling at 10mph that night, and very
wet. Was lucky it was my old caravan in fact, the length of the bonnet
compared with the seat height, and the distance to the windscreen in
any other vehicle i have is much worse.
, than i've had in the last 7 years in the UK. Don't get me started
about the last time i was in
>flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
>news:ht0kg1ttomb1745323c9r3m9n99v5r778i@4ax.com :
>
>>
>> Rear fog lights, however (which don't seem to even be an option in the
>> US, let alone standard)
>
>
>
>Manufacturers have been legally required to install rear fogs in the UK
>since about the early '90s, IIRC.
Way before that. early 80s AFAIK.mid at the latest.
>
>An interesting snippet:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_signal#Rear_Fog_Lamps
Interesting page. SEems to ahve been written by an american though who
has little experiance of uk laws and practices. A clear example is
"For this reason, many European vehicles imported to the United States
have their rear fog lamps wired as brake lamps" Brake and fog lights
typically use the same power bulbs, yes, but a brake light is not a
focused beam, a fog light is, directed almost totally aft. They're
designed to be intentionally bright from behind. Not good to dazzle
with an intense pseudo brake light.
>
>The vast majority of North American drivers will experience UK-style fog
>maybe once or twice in their entire lives. Rear fogs are not really
>necessary here.
ACtually, i have had more severe lack of visibility here in georgia in
the last 3 months. One time, 5 weeks ago, visibility was so bad, i
could barely see the lines even with my head out the window,5 feet in
front of the vehicle. I was crawling at 10mph that night, and very
wet. Was lucky it was my old caravan in fact, the length of the bonnet
compared with the seat height, and the distance to the windscreen in
any other vehicle i have is much worse.
, than i've had in the last 7 years in the UK. Don't get me started
about the last time i was in
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Re: Fog Lights
I have fog lights on my car and I never use it. IMO, the Daytime Running
Lights are more important than the fog lights.
"lynsam" <lynsam@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Are fog lights really a necessity? I feel that, some time ago, a
> manufacturer added fog lamps to its line as a cost-effective marketing
ploy.
> Of course, all others followed suit.
>
> I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally unwarranted
> (forgot they were on?).
>
>
>
Lights are more important than the fog lights.
"lynsam" <lynsam@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Are fog lights really a necessity? I feel that, some time ago, a
> manufacturer added fog lamps to its line as a cost-effective marketing
ploy.
> Of course, all others followed suit.
>
> I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally unwarranted
> (forgot they were on?).
>
>
>
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Re: Fog Lights
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> The vast majority of North American drivers will experience UK-style fog
> maybe once or twice in their entire lives. Rear fogs are not really
> necessary here.
>
When I was in the San Francisco Bay area I encountered heavy fog a lot.
Walking to school one morning I could barely see my feet and could only make
out the path a foot or two ahead - less than my child's stride so I had to
take short steps. As an adult I sat out fog that got thick enough I could
not see the end of my hood.
Even here in northern Arizona fog is an occasional problem. One night I
drove down Bill Williams mountain with my headlights on only because I
lacked fog lights (I had a terrific view of the fog!) I idled in 4WD
compound low so I could feel if I got a wheel off the edge or hit the
mountainside without really damaging anything. Fog lights are the only
option I am requesting on my new truck.
Mike
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> The vast majority of North American drivers will experience UK-style fog
> maybe once or twice in their entire lives. Rear fogs are not really
> necessary here.
>
When I was in the San Francisco Bay area I encountered heavy fog a lot.
Walking to school one morning I could barely see my feet and could only make
out the path a foot or two ahead - less than my child's stride so I had to
take short steps. As an adult I sat out fog that got thick enough I could
not see the end of my hood.
Even here in northern Arizona fog is an occasional problem. One night I
drove down Bill Williams mountain with my headlights on only because I
lacked fog lights (I had a terrific view of the fog!) I idled in 4WD
compound low so I could feel if I got a wheel off the edge or hit the
mountainside without really damaging anything. Fog lights are the only
option I am requesting on my new truck.
Mike
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Re: Fog Lights
On 22 Aug 2005 21:23:29 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>The vast majority of North American drivers will experience UK-style fog
>maybe once or twice in their entire lives. Rear fogs are not really
>necessary here.
Using the term vast majority is probably correct, but growing up in
So. Calif. where I did, it was very common. More than once I turned
in the wrong driveway trying to get home, and I have had to climb up a
street marker post to read the street signs. Dust is another problem
in the U.S. Lots of rear-end accidents when the dust blows. I think
what's really needed is a powerful strobe-type light that really
lights up the fog so you know there is something there.
Dick
>The vast majority of North American drivers will experience UK-style fog
>maybe once or twice in their entire lives. Rear fogs are not really
>necessary here.
Using the term vast majority is probably correct, but growing up in
So. Calif. where I did, it was very common. More than once I turned
in the wrong driveway trying to get home, and I have had to climb up a
street marker post to read the street signs. Dust is another problem
in the U.S. Lots of rear-end accidents when the dust blows. I think
what's really needed is a powerful strobe-type light that really
lights up the fog so you know there is something there.
Dick
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Re: Fog Lights
TeGGeR® wrote:
>
> The vast majority of North American drivers will experience UK-style fog
> maybe once or twice in their entire lives.
Unless there are Porsche enthusiasts nearby, many of whom fit a Bosch
rear fog below the rear bumper, driver's side, as a "standard tweak".
Then there are the Merc drivers who are oblivious to the rear fog in the
tail lamp cluster being illuminated, day in, day out, day and night.
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Re: Fog Lights
flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
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> On 22 Aug 2005 21:23:29 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>>Manufacturers have been legally required to install rear fogs in the UK
>>since about the early '90s, IIRC.
>
> Way before that. early 80s AFAIK.mid at the latest.
You're very close, and I was way off. I dug out a reference book to check
for sure.
Rear fog lights in the UK have been madatory new-car fitment from
April 1, 1980. You only need one of them, that being on the driver's side.
So if you have two, only the driver's side one is subject to the UK MoT.
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> On 22 Aug 2005 21:23:29 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>>Manufacturers have been legally required to install rear fogs in the UK
>>since about the early '90s, IIRC.
>
> Way before that. early 80s AFAIK.mid at the latest.
You're very close, and I was way off. I dug out a reference book to check
for sure.
Rear fog lights in the UK have been madatory new-car fitment from
April 1, 1980. You only need one of them, that being on the driver's side.
So if you have two, only the driver's side one is subject to the UK MoT.
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Re: Fog Lights
On 23 Aug 2005 00:31:06 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
>news:ebikg1p0ecv27orob2pnns4nut4uadj42b@4ax.com :
>
>> On 22 Aug 2005 21:23:29 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>>
>
>>>Manufacturers have been legally required to install rear fogs in the UK
>>>since about the early '90s, IIRC.
>>
>> Way before that. early 80s AFAIK.mid at the latest.
>
>
>
>You're very close, and I was way off. I dug out a reference book to check
>for sure.
>
>Rear fog lights in the UK have been madatory new-car fitment from
>April 1, 1980. You only need one of them, that being on the driver's side.
>So if you have two, only the driver's side one is subject to the UK MoT.
nope. If you ahve two, both are subject to the MOT. My UK work car -
an 89 volvo 340 has two, they're in the main light cluster on the
innermost sides, either side of the number plate. during my test in, i
think, 2000, the bulb had one in the passenger side one. he asked if I
had any spare brake bulbs, and when i said no, he said "you can either
pay 2 quid, or i can fail your MOt. I paid the 2 quid, got a pair of
bulbs, one of which he went and fitted for me, whilst it was still on
the jacks.
Friend has a 74 Jago, and his rear fog doesn't work. If he leaves it
as is, he'd fail MOTs, instead he has it covered over with thick black
duct-tape, completely obscuring the light entirely. AS such its not
considered as an item to be tested..
>flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
>news:ebikg1p0ecv27orob2pnns4nut4uadj42b@4ax.com :
>
>> On 22 Aug 2005 21:23:29 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>>
>
>>>Manufacturers have been legally required to install rear fogs in the UK
>>>since about the early '90s, IIRC.
>>
>> Way before that. early 80s AFAIK.mid at the latest.
>
>
>
>You're very close, and I was way off. I dug out a reference book to check
>for sure.
>
>Rear fog lights in the UK have been madatory new-car fitment from
>April 1, 1980. You only need one of them, that being on the driver's side.
>So if you have two, only the driver's side one is subject to the UK MoT.
nope. If you ahve two, both are subject to the MOT. My UK work car -
an 89 volvo 340 has two, they're in the main light cluster on the
innermost sides, either side of the number plate. during my test in, i
think, 2000, the bulb had one in the passenger side one. he asked if I
had any spare brake bulbs, and when i said no, he said "you can either
pay 2 quid, or i can fail your MOt. I paid the 2 quid, got a pair of
bulbs, one of which he went and fitted for me, whilst it was still on
the jacks.
Friend has a 74 Jago, and his rear fog doesn't work. If he leaves it
as is, he'd fail MOTs, instead he has it covered over with thick black
duct-tape, completely obscuring the light entirely. AS such its not
considered as an item to be tested..
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flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in message
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> On 23 Aug 2005 00:31:06 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
> >flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
> >news:ebikg1p0ecv27orob2pnns4nut4uadj42b@4ax.com :
> >
> >> On 22 Aug 2005 21:23:29 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >>>Manufacturers have been legally required to install rear fogs in the UK
> >>>since about the early '90s, IIRC.
> >>
> >> Way before that. early 80s AFAIK.mid at the latest.
> >
> >
> >
> >You're very close, and I was way off. I dug out a reference book to check
> >for sure.
> >
> >Rear fog lights in the UK have been madatory new-car fitment from
> >April 1, 1980. You only need one of them, that being on the driver's side.
> >So if you have two, only the driver's side one is subject to the UK MoT.
>
> nope. If you ahve two, both are subject to the MOT. My UK work car -
> an 89 volvo 340 has two, they're in the main light cluster on the
> innermost sides, either side of the number plate. during my test in, i
> think, 2000, the bulb had one in the passenger side one. he asked if I
> had any spare brake bulbs, and when i said no, he said "you can either
> pay 2 quid, or i can fail your MOt. I paid the 2 quid, got a pair of
> bulbs, one of which he went and fitted for me, whilst it was still on
> the jacks.
>
> Friend has a 74 Jago, and his rear fog doesn't work. If he leaves it
> as is, he'd fail MOTs, instead he has it covered over with thick black
> duct-tape, completely obscuring the light entirely. AS such its not
> considered as an item to be tested..
>
Generally, at least in the U.S., especially for commercial vehicles, the rule
is, if it is equipped, it must work. If not equipped, it needn't work. I suspect
that explains the duct-tape thing.
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Re: Fog Lights
flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
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> On 23 Aug 2005 00:31:06 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>>Rear fog lights in the UK have been madatory new-car fitment from
>>April 1, 1980. You only need one of them, that being on the driver's
>>side. So if you have two, only the driver's side one is subject to the
>>UK MoT.
>
> nope. If you ahve two, both are subject to the MOT.
Then either my reference is wrong, or they've changed the law.
It's also possible the MoT tester is not fully familiar with the specific
law regarding rear fogs.
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news:k9tkg1lvb7ernsn8lefn92vquoeok7fj27@4ax.com:
> On 23 Aug 2005 00:31:06 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>>Rear fog lights in the UK have been madatory new-car fitment from
>>April 1, 1980. You only need one of them, that being on the driver's
>>side. So if you have two, only the driver's side one is subject to the
>>UK MoT.
>
> nope. If you ahve two, both are subject to the MOT.
Then either my reference is wrong, or they've changed the law.
It's also possible the MoT tester is not fully familiar with the specific
law regarding rear fogs.
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Re: Fog Lights
Fog lights,auxiliary driving lights,and spot beams do not bother me much
as long as the light is WHITE.Those new BLUE halogen lamps is what I
hate.There is something in the light frequency range of those lamps that
almost burn holes in my retinas.Even from 500 feet away I find them
irritating.I wish the auto industry would abandon that type of lamp.
as long as the light is WHITE.Those new BLUE halogen lamps is what I
hate.There is something in the light frequency range of those lamps that
almost burn holes in my retinas.Even from 500 feet away I find them
irritating.I wish the auto industry would abandon that type of lamp.
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Re: Fog Lights
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> Fog lights,auxiliary driving lights,and spot beams do not bother me much
> as long as the light is WHITE.Those new BLUE halogen lamps is what I
> hate.There is something in the light frequency range of those lamps that
> almost burn holes in my retinas.Even from 500 feet away I find them
> irritating.I wish the auto industry would abandon that type of lamp.
>
>
Are you referring to HID lamps? They do not use halogen.
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> Fog lights,auxiliary driving lights,and spot beams do not bother me much
> as long as the light is WHITE.Those new BLUE halogen lamps is what I
> hate.There is something in the light frequency range of those lamps that
> almost burn holes in my retinas.Even from 500 feet away I find them
> irritating.I wish the auto industry would abandon that type of lamp.
>
>
Are you referring to HID lamps? They do not use halogen.
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Re: Fog Lights
TeGGeR® wrote:
----"Are you referring to HID lamps? They do not use halogen."----
Reply:
Ok,they do not use halogen ( I do not know what the acronym stands for
by the way).
I know them when I see them,and they are like lasers burning through my
eyes.The light is tightly focused like a laser,and I find them
distressing.I would like to see them banned.I would not really do it for
real,but my gut instinct tells me to bash them in with a baseball
bat.Good thing I do not react just on instinct.
----"Are you referring to HID lamps? They do not use halogen."----
Reply:
Ok,they do not use halogen ( I do not know what the acronym stands for
by the way).
I know them when I see them,and they are like lasers burning through my
eyes.The light is tightly focused like a laser,and I find them
distressing.I would like to see them banned.I would not really do it for
real,but my gut instinct tells me to bash them in with a baseball
bat.Good thing I do not react just on instinct.
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Re: Fog Lights
lynsam wrote:
> Are fog lights really a necessity?
If you drive in fog a lot, they really help.
> I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally unwarranted
> (forgot they were on?).
My '87 Accord has flip-up headlights. I prefer to have daytime running
lights for safety (Canadian law requires all new cars manufactured since
the early 90s to have daytime running lights of some sort; it's a
recognized safety feature). So I wired up fog lights to be on whenever
the engine is running.
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> Are fog lights really a necessity?
If you drive in fog a lot, they really help.
> I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally unwarranted
> (forgot they were on?).
My '87 Accord has flip-up headlights. I prefer to have daytime running
lights for safety (Canadian law requires all new cars manufactured since
the early 90s to have daytime running lights of some sort; it's a
recognized safety feature). So I wired up fog lights to be on whenever
the engine is running.
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