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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 09:31 PM
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We will see on this one once aftermarket parts are ava for our cars and I try on my 15" wheels. Ill be honest You just have to have the right drop and right wheels. i got the wheels, just need god damn springs or coil overs
I hear ya! I want to get a set of springs but I want to the least drop, just a subtle change in ride height. I want all of these things like yesterday! lol
 
Old Feb 11, 2009 | 09:41 PM
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Unless you autox or just happen to turn really hard, and I mean your starting to feel like 3 forces on you, then I don't think you have to worry about sidewall issues. Just select a reputative brand tire, and you're not going to have any worries.

15" wheels look great depending on the look you're going for. The older civics always looked best at 15" rims.
But for the Fit, I like the look of 16", with the 55 sidewall (stock I believe), your benefiting your own custom wheels, and factory specs.
 
Old Feb 11, 2009 | 09:51 PM
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I prefer 16" wheels, aggressive tires on the front (225/45R16) and of course a nice drop.

Its doable!
 

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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 10:07 PM
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Unless you autox or just happen to turn really hard, and I mean your starting to feel like 3 forces on you, then I don't think you have to worry about sidewall issues. Just select a reputative brand tire, and you're not going to have any worries.

15" wheels look great depending on the look you're going for. The older civics always looked best at 15" rims.
But for the Fit, I like the look of 16", with the 55 sidewall (stock I believe), your benefiting your own custom wheels, and factory specs.
So what size tire could I fit on a 16 x 7 rim if I wanted to achieve a thick side wall and wider stance with out any rubbing at all?
 
Old Feb 11, 2009 | 10:18 PM
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So what size tire could I fit on a 16 x 7 rim if I wanted to achieve a thick side wall and wider stance with out any rubbing at all?

I can't remember the stock tire size off the top of my head, and its too dark/cold for me to check really quick, but if you happen to know, then I feel that one size bigger wouldn't hurt. Two sizes bigger, then you might run into problems (ie. U-turns, rubbing on speedbumps, etc)

If the stock tires are 195/55/16, then I think you can get away with 205/55/16.

But I am NOT 100% sure on this as I am not lowered(which I plan to be) nor do I have aftermarket rims (plan on this one too). Perhaps someone who is lowered and has aftermarket wheels can chime in.

I do believe there is a wheel fitment thread in the Wheels/Tires thread, but I am not sure if the wheel well sizes are different between the GD's and ours.
 
Old Feb 11, 2009 | 10:24 PM
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I can't remember the stock tire size off the top of my head, and its too dark/cold for me to check really quick, but if you happen to know, then I feel that one size bigger wouldn't hurt. Two sizes bigger, then you might run into problems (ie. U-turns, rubbing on speedbumps, etc)

If the stock tires are 195/55/16, then I think you can get away with 205/55/16.

But I am NOT 100% sure on this as I am not lowered(which I plan to be) nor do I have aftermarket rims (plan on this one too). Perhaps someone who is lowered and has aftermarket wheels can chime in.

I do believe there is a wheel fitment thread in the Wheels/Tires thread, but I am not sure if the wheel well sizes are different between the GD's and ours.
OK, what does the 55 in the tire size mean? I could never fully under stand that? Does that possibly refer to how much the tire would poke out from the wheel well?
 
Old Feb 11, 2009 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jaydubz79
So what size tire could I fit on a 16 x 7 rim if I wanted to achieve a thick side wall and wider stance with out any rubbing at all?
Some wheel manufacturer have matching charts for their wheels and what tires are best.

Example: WORK Matching
 
Old Feb 11, 2009 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jaydubz79
OK, what does the 55 in the tire size mean? I could never fully under stand that? Does that possibly refer to how much the tire would poke out from the wheel well?

To answer your question:

The 195-55-15 or say 205-50-16 is this.

For ex 1: its as follows, you take a tire with the width of 195mm's and hen add the 55, the 55 is what makes up your sidewall and in this case the sidewall is 55% of the 195mm

so for ex 2, The tire is a 205 (205mm) and the sidewall is a 50, so your sidewall is going to be 50% of the 205

You know, I give a lot of great answers on this site and NEVER get any points for nothing

regardless, hope this helps you out in near or far future.

Ken


as per poking out its all due to the offset, you can have a wheel on your fit that is 16x8 and another that is 16x7, just cause one is a 1" larger most think it will stick out a inch more although they are wrong, Say both these have the offset of 50mm, they will both sit in the same place in relation to wheer the sit against the fender. Offsets play a key role in any serious tuners wheel choice. Just know that the tire will make up the differance though.

best of luck again!
 
Old Feb 11, 2009 | 11:00 PM
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so heres a big ?? if i put HX WHEELS on my fit with a soft compound tire how will that affect my mpg if any,.,.cause i have heard that if i decrease the tire size it will make it harder for the tire to spin cause its lighter! a little help on this issue would be great , thanks in advance
 
Old Feb 11, 2009 | 11:14 PM
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the only reason for bigger rims is for appearance and to clear a big brake kit
 
Old Feb 12, 2009 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jaydubz79
OK, what does the 55 in the tire size mean? I could never fully under stand that? Does that possibly refer to how much the tire would poke out from the wheel well?
Thanks AP_ONE for the info!

But just for the sake of understanding it, I pulled this information from one of our vendors: TireRack. This should help you fully understand how to create the best suitable wheel/tire setup




Section Width

Following the letter(s) that identify the type of vehicle and/or type of service for which the tire was designed, the three-digit numeric portion identifies the tire's "Section Width" (cross section) in millimeters.

P225/50R16 91S

The 225 indicates this tire is 225 millimeters across from the widest point of its outer sidewall to the widest point of its inner sidewall when mounted and measured on a specified width wheel. This measurement is also referred to as the tire's section width. Because many people think of measurements in inches, the 225mm can be converted to inches by dividing the section width in millimeters by 25.4 (the number of millimeters per inch).

225mm / 25.4 = 8.86"



Sidewall Aspect Ratio

Typically following the three digits identifying the tire's Section Width in millimeters is a two-digit number that identifies the tire's profile or aspect ratio.

P225/50R16 91S

The 50 indicates that this tire size's sidewall height (from rim to tread) is 50% of its section width. The measurement is the tire's section height, and also referred to as the tire's series, profile or aspect ratio. The higher the number, the taller the sidewall; the lower the number, the lower the sidewall. We know that this tire size's section width is 225mm and that its section height is 50% of 225mm. By converting the 225mm to inches (225 / 25.4 = 8.86") and multiplying it by 50% (.50) we confirm that this tire size results in a tire section height of 4.43". If this tire were a P225/70R16 size, our calculation would confirm that the size would result in a section height of 6.20", approximately a 1.8-inch taller sidewall.




-Credit to TireRack for the information!
 
Old Feb 12, 2009 | 08:21 AM
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[quote=jaydubz79;574084]Interesting, so although its a lighter wheel it is a bigger tire in general. Well I tend to think I may just go with the 16" Rota, but after Ap_ones post I am wondering if there is something quality wise wrong with the rotas? While we are on the subject would the stock rubber on my 16" stockers fit on the wheels in the link?


Its not the bigger size and supposed more weight, its also how far that weight is from the hub. A 205/50x15 tire is only 23.07" diameter while the 195/55x15 is 23.44 and the 185/55x156 is 24". Both the stock tires are harder to turn than the 205/50x15 because their major weight, the tread, is farther from the hub.
On the same 08 Fit the 205/50x15's outdragged the 195/55x15's easily, partly due to the easier to turn wheel/tire but also because of the better gearing. The 205 tire has a gearing improvement of about 2%. Traction of course is also a factor.
Naturally, testing a Hoosier vs SP31's will tilt the result toward the Hoosier, no matter which size is mentioned.
And if you go with 16's, 205/45x16 is the best we see here with our Fits.
If comp is your main purpose get the lightest wheels an tires within the rules (many places won't allow competition tires, ones with treadwear ratings below 200. Get as close as you can though.
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 08:28 AM
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[quote=1FiTpINOY;574432]I can't remember the stock tire size off the top of my head, and its too dark/cold for me to check really quick, but if you happen to know, then I feel that one size bigger wouldn't hurt. Two sizes bigger, then you might run into problems (ie. U-turns, rubbing on speedbumps, etc)

If the stock tires are 195/55/16, then I think you can get away with 205/55/16.

Stock is 185/55x16; before they were 195/55x15. And 205/55x16
won't work with either.
Worse, the extra diameter (nearly an inch) will cost you dearly in acceleration (and mpg unless you back off the width to 175.
 
Old Feb 12, 2009 | 08:44 AM
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Stock is 185/55x16; before they were 195/55x15. And 205/55x16
won't work with either.
Worse, the extra diameter (nearly an inch) will cost you dearly in acceleration (and mpg unless you back off the width to 175.

Yes mahout is correct. I just went out to admire my Fit and I also looked at the tire size, it is indeed 18/55/16. I check underneath to see clearance from the tire to the shock absorber, I would say the widest AND safest size is 195.

And using the information I posted above, 195 divided by 25.4 is approximately 7.67xxx.

So I believe a good setup, according to what you would like, would be a 16X7 wheel, with 195/55/16 tire.

And I'm not going to lie but since I did all this, I'll be aiming for this setup too lawlz The hardest part is finding the wheel you like danm you wheel whores
 
Old Feb 12, 2009 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by jaydubz79
OK, what does the 55 in the tire size mean? I could never fully under stand that? Does that possibly refer to how much the tire would poke out from the wheel well?

The 55 means the height of the tire section is 55% of its width. Its called the aspect ratio. Imagine just the cross section of the tire between the wheel and road. A 205/50x15 tire is 205 mmwide and 112.75 mm high The height between the road and the wheel) The 15 is simply the diameter of the rim that the tire fits. And there is no mention of the width of the tire tread; itsd not specified.
You can find several good drawings on various posts here in Fit forums.

The diameter of a tire , in inches, is

Dia = section in mm times twice the aspect divided by 100 and the result divided by 25.4 and that result added tio the wheel size.
Using that 205/55x15 tire as an example

{205(2)(55/100)}/25.4 + 15 = 23.87"
You can thank the Germans for making it so simple.
 
Old Feb 12, 2009 | 08:54 AM
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I love how everyone is repeating what I said but making it harder

You will easily be able to fit a 205 tire on your 15 or 16 rim unless your dumped or forgive me have heavy peopel in your car front and rear!

Ill choose a 195 cause in deed as all my other cars I will be dumped and want to have less chance of rubbing and that extra 1cm wont make or break my day driving a fit :P
 
Old Feb 12, 2009 | 08:59 AM
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I love how everyone is repeating what I said but making it harder

You will easily be able to fit a 205 tire on your 15 or 16 rim unless your dumped or forgive me have heavy peopel in your car front and rear!

Ill choose a 195 cause in deed as all my other cars I will be dumped and want to have less chance of rubbing and that extra 1cm wont make or break my day driving a fit :P
lollerskatez! I so did not make my post harder, it just accented yours a bit more.


But yeah, after all we posted (you, mahout and I), I hope the OP understands something
 
Old Feb 12, 2009 | 12:28 PM
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Thank you very much to everyone who gave excellent answers, I am not sure how this works but +1 for AP_one, Mahout and 1fitpinoy. Again forgive me as I am new to this.

One other thing I thought the stock tire size on the honda website said it was 195/55/16?
 
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Just wondering, what Fit do you drive? Base or sport? And also what year?

I myself haven't seen that info on the Honda website, but try to confirm that yourself. I'm just going by what's on my car LOL it's a 09 Fit sport. My tire saids 185/55/16 so I'm just going to go off that.
 
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Just wondering, what Fit do you drive? Base or sport? And also what year?

I myself haven't seen that info on the Honda website, but try to confirm that yourself. I'm just going by what's on my car LOL it's a 09 Fit sport. My tire saids 185/55/16 so I'm just going to go off that.
I drive a 09 fit sport w/ Navi. Nope your absolutely right! Mu apologies the site is indeed shown as 185-55-83H. Well I guess a 195/55 or a 205/55 would only help to increase the fit print of the fit.
 



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