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Old Jan 23, 2010 | 05:13 PM
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In the end, I think the Fit could benefit from an honest extra 30 or so horsepower, and a different 5th gear.
I agree with you about that.... That is roughly what I have now thanks to Kraft Werks.... Just by going to very light wheels and tires you gain a great deal of performance improvement in every area that can be improved. Throttle controllers are nice too.[/quote]


I go also with 20 or 30 more hp and the six speed from the CRZ.
Won't happen tho; if it happened, it would blow the doors off the CRZ.
 
Old Jan 23, 2010 | 06:09 PM
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You're kidding,right ? My 91CRX Si even with 190,000 miles on it and ready for SiR rebuild would pull away from my 08 Fit like it was glued to the ground. If memory serves my Si had 127 hp and 112 lb-ft.
And weighed nearly 500 lb less than my Fit.
The best thing about the Fit is its reliable as a Honda and is BY FAR the best driver in the sbox class.
Originally Posted by mahout
I agree with you about that.... That is roughly what I have now thanks to Kraft Werks.... Just by going to very light wheels and tires you gain a great deal of performance improvement in every area that can be improved. Throttle controllers are nice too.


I go also with 20 or 30 more hp and the six speed from the CRZ.
Won't happen tho; if it happened, it would blow the doors off the CRZ.
the 91 CRX Si had the same engine as my brother's 91 Civic Si Hatch which is the D16A6 with 108hp (pre SAE corrected) so it was pushing around 105hp at the crank. It was 300-400lbs lighter than the fit and had light weight wheels which is really where the difference came. Performance was about the same as the fit but because the CRX and Civic Si were so low and lightweight, they were incredibly toss-able (Even more so than the fit).

As for performance, lightening up the wheels as you said is one of the best things that someone can do. Unfortunately, there are not very many mods that improve the power much. I'd love to see the fit with another 20 or 30hp (maybe the R18 from the civic tuned a little for power a higher rpms). The Fit already has decent power for passing (if you drop a gear or two) and the economy is great. It's not a drag racer but it responds nicely in the twisties. 6sp would be nice though...

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Old Jan 23, 2010 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mahout
You're kidding,right ? My 91CRX Si even with 190,000 miles on it and ready for SiR rebuild would pull away from my 08 Fit like it was glued to the ground. If memory serves my Si had 127 hp and 112 lb-ft.
And weighed nearly 500 lb less than my Fit.
The best thing about the Fit is its reliable as a Honda and is BY FAR the best driver in the sbox class.
Nope, see below. Nice try though. Considering I owned an 89 Civic Si I know of what I speak. The engine didn't get bumped up until the '92 refresh where he Si moniker on the Civic continued in Canada while it became the EX coupe in the U.S. I also had a 94 Civic Si coupe. That had the 125hp engine your thinking of, and that got bumped up to 127hp in the '96 update.

Originally Posted by specboy
the 91 CRX Si had the same engine as my brother's 91 Civic Si Hatch which is the D16A6 with 108hp (pre SAE corrected) so it was pushing around 105hp at the crank. It was 300-400lbs lighter than the fit and had light weight wheels which is really where the difference came. Performance was about the same as the fit but because the CRX and Civic Si were so low and lightweight, they were incredibly toss-able (Even more so than the fit).

As for performance, lightening up the wheels as you said is one of the best things that someone can do. Unfortunately, there are not very many mods that improve the power much. I'd love to see the fit with another 20 or 30hp (maybe the R18 from the civic tuned a little for power a higher rpms). The Fit already has decent power for passing (if you drop a gear or two) and the economy is great. It's not a drag racer but it responds nicely in the twisties. 6sp would be nice though...

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Old Jan 27, 2010 | 11:18 AM
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I think it comes down to the weight of the driver, esp. sensitive since it's a lightweight car. I'm 130lbs so I think it's fast. When I'm carrying the family, it's slow. With the Ody, can't tell the difference!
In addition, if you add a passenger and luggage, you'd really feel it.I did not do a calculation for for passenger +/- luggage but you get the picture
Car weight 2500lbs
Power 117 hp

22.4 power to weight ratio for 120 lbs driver
23.9 for 300 lbs driver

0.047 horse/lbs for 120lbs driver
0.042 horse/lbs for 300lbs driver
 
Old Jan 27, 2010 | 11:26 AM
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Smile

And the moral of this story is: "Drive naked - you'll go faster in your Fit!" Of course, I am not sure about the feel of that itchy mouse fuzz seat cover fabric.
Disclosure: I am 6'2", 210 lbs
 
Old Jan 27, 2010 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by FanOfFit
I think it comes down to the weight of the driver, esp. sensitive since it's a lightweight car. I'm 130lbs so I think it's fast. When I'm carrying the family, it's slow. With the Ody, can't tell the difference!
In addition, if you add a passenger and luggage, you'd really feel it.I did not do a calculation for for passenger +/- luggage but you get the picture
Car weight 2500lbs
Power 117 hp

22.4 power to weight ratio for 120 lbs driver
23.9 for 300 lbs driver

0.047 horse/lbs for 120lbs driver
0.042 horse/lbs for 300lbs driver

Geez eat something eh.

I am trying to lose some weight so I should see some increase in performance. Fit performance that is
 

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Old Jan 27, 2010 | 01:56 PM
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I guess I'm lucky (at least when it comes to being light weight). With 3 young kids and a wife on board, we still weight less than some people!
I had to take a large neighbor and 3 late teens one day, and the car felt REALLY anemic, downshifting on the slightest of inclines etc...

So yeah, fast if you're lightweight!
 
Old Jan 27, 2010 | 05:15 PM
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I'm pretty big and even with all the subwoofers and amplifiers in the back it still feels quick. Although I swear sometimes that it sticks better in right hand turns than left turns
 
Old Jan 29, 2010 | 02:27 AM
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mines good its not super fast but not slow the new exhaust helped alot and so did the k&n but b4 this i drove a chevy with a 7.4 454 i mean i run if i floor it 90-95 just getting it on the on ramp and i can drive gmr at 50 np and plently of power to pick it back up also if u got a manual it helps but mines auto and dose fine
 
Old Jan 29, 2010 | 01:17 PM
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Anyone who would buy a Fit and complain about it's lack of speed, would probably buy a Hummer H1 and complain about it's fuel consumption.


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Old Jan 29, 2010 | 01:46 PM
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The entire thread is a moot point if you look at the numbers.

GE published 1/4 mile times are about 16.6 low for a MT and around 17.8 for a high for an AT.

There are sites that have compiled numbers for hundreds of cars and trucks.
If you look, the Fit is right in there with most 4 cylinder sedans, most minivans, most SUV's and pick-ups. That is reasonable territory seeing how the Fit is marketed as a small econo 5 door

You can look up zero to 60 times as well with similar results if you would rather go by that.

That is not to say I would not mind an extra 20-30 HP. If they were to come out with a Si 6 speed version I would strongly consider trading.
 
Old Jan 29, 2010 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tork
The entire thread is a moot point if you look at the numbers.

GE published 1/4 mile times are about 16.6 low for a MT and around 17.8 for a high for an AT.

There are sites that have compiled numbers for hundreds of cars and trucks.
If you look, the Fit is right in there with most 4 cylinder sedans, most minivans, most SUV's and pick-ups. That is reasonable territory seeing how the Fit is marketed as a small econo 5 door

You can look up zero to 60 times as well with similar results if you would rather go by that.

That is not to say I would not mind an extra 20-30 HP. If they were to come out with a Si 6 speed version I would strongly consider trading.
Couldn't agree more. If you bought the Fit to be fast you have a lot more issues than driving a slow Fit.
If I personally wanted more hp I would have bought a used 05 Civic SI hatch. I like my 30+ mpg to sacrifice 20-30 more hp. But that's just me. I'm not a wanna be street racer, I don't have anything to prove.
 
Old Jan 30, 2010 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Tork
The entire thread is a moot point if you look at the numbers.

GE published 1/4 mile times are about 16.6 low for a MT and around 17.8 for a high for an AT.

There are sites that have compiled numbers for hundreds of cars and trucks.
If you look, the Fit is right in there with most 4 cylinder sedans, most minivans, most SUV's and pick-ups. That is reasonable territory seeing how the Fit is marketed as a small econo 5 door

You can look up zero to 60 times as well with similar results if you would rather go by that.

That is not to say I would not mind an extra 20-30 HP. If they were to come out with a Si 6 speed version I would strongly consider trading.
exactly, I can't believe this thread is still going...I posted times on the 1st page!!! and this is till going 8 pages later?....if some of you wanted a fast car then why did you buy the Fit??? It's not rocket science!!
 
Old Jan 30, 2010 | 08:06 PM
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For me, more important than absolute speed is the feeling of fast, and with its free revving engine, the FIT is really quite a blast to drive. Let it rev, be happy.
 
Old Jan 30, 2010 | 08:31 PM
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exactly, I can't believe this thread is still going...I posted times on the 1st page!!! and this is till going 8 pages later?....if some of you wanted a fast car then why did you buy the Fit??? It's not rocket science!!
So you can cut the springs, put it on 21" wheels with 21.1" tires, cover it in carbon fire, install a chrome-electroplated Sherwin-Williams can for a muffler, and pretend like it's a fast car.

Geez, what are you, NEW around here?

(I keed, I keed... sorta! )
 
Old Jan 30, 2010 | 08:34 PM
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The fastest recorded 1/4 mile time for a manual transmission Fit sport is 16.3 seconds. It was from Motor Trend if I remember correctly. I assume to get that it was clutch dump style launch with carefully planned shifts just before fuel cut-off in every gear.

I'm sure there are a few of the normal mods that will net more horsepower, such as free flowing intakes exhaust kits, and underdrive pulley's, but I don't know what's on the market right now as far as quality and horsepower claims because the stock horsepower is fine for my needs. However it would be fun to add the above mods and maybe a turbo charger if such a kit exists, and then have a little sleeper Fit. Keep it stock on the outside except for bigger wheels/tires to handle the extra horsepower and then smoke the unsuspecting Civic Si or RSX Type S.

Yes, I did not buy this car for speed, but like Tork said if Honda ever releases an Si version of the Fit with considerably more horsepower (an extra 25 or more), maybe rear disc brakes, a front limited slip diff, sportier suspension tuning with a lower ride height, bigger wheels with performance tires, and hopefully a 6-gear manual transmission, I would be all over that like white on rice. Throw in a sunroof, better seats (with lumbar support), an outside temp readout, and a real engine temperature gauge and trading up wouldn't even be a hesitation on my part. I would be at the Honda dealership the same day a car like that hit the lot to trade.
 
Old Jan 30, 2010 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Selden
For me, more important than absolute speed is the feeling of fast, and with its free revving engine, the FIT is really quite a blast to drive. Let it rev, be happy.
Heh, my internal G-meter won't let me believe the illusion! The Fit feels momentarily fast thanks to a very short first gear, giving a sudden jolt of movement. On the other hand. trying to accelerate from say, 40-70 mph is like pulling teeth.

A parallel can be drawn between the Fit and the Kawasaki Ninja 250R:



A Ninja 250 is, by sports motorcycle standards, slow. It takes it 7.6 seconds to hit 60 mph, it runs a quarter mile in 15.54 seconds. Just for comparison sake, a 'true' sportbike like the Yamaha R6 will do it in less than 12, easily.

However, like the Fit, the 250R is light, and loves to be revved. It also forces one to improve their riding, because you can't slow waaaay down in the corners and use shaft-splitting torque to power out of a turn. Conservation of momentum becomes the rule of the game.

The 250R, of course, hits its redline at 12,000 RPM, and even my middleweight twin (a Ninja 650R) hits its redline at 11,000, so to me, the fit doesn't sound like it revs very high. And, since my bike will shoot me to 60 mph in around 4 seconds, I'm not going to really feel any sensation of forward motivation.
 
Old Jan 31, 2010 | 07:58 AM
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A 250 motorcycle is a good analogy. Rev and shift, maintain corner speed. You may not actually be going fast, but it's fun. Fit 40-70 acceleration is fine if you drop enough gears; nothing much happens in top -- again similar to a small bike.
 
Old Jan 31, 2010 | 02:24 PM
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get some bolts on
 
Old Feb 1, 2010 | 04:46 PM
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Yeah, the Fit is slow. But you can see what I drive every day.

Honestly, I like driving my Dad's fit. It's comfy, I can see plenty out of it, it lopes along the highway fine, and I can carry loads of shit. The ONLY thing I would change is dynamatting the piss out of the firewall so he doesn't have to hear the buzzsaw sound of a liter and a half of Honda fury when he goes to merge on the highway.

And maybe wheels and springs, just because I hate that feeling of the sidewall folding over.
 



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