Install: Braille B14115 ''No Weight'' Racing Battery (56k warning)
#21
07-29-2010, 02:09 PM
@gohdunlam: yup, i noted in the "biggest loser thread" that deka manufactures for braille no weight. The evo forum also convinced me to go braille/deka 
@Lyon: it's a fair price if lithium ion is a must...
@Lyon: it's a fair price if lithium ion is a must...
#22
07-29-2010, 04:09 PM
Good job on the install. Where did you get the "high temp mat?" You might have mentioned this, but I was too busy looking at the pics
I would also recommend you buy or fabricate a brace to prevent the battery from sliding, especially if you intend to auto-x or track your car...my solution:
Per our discussion about CCA, this is from Odyssey's website:
I know this thread is about Braille batteries, but wanted to mention that Odyssey makes a PC545 in two models that weight 11.5 and 12.5 lbs, but these are not recommended for 4 cylinder engines.
I would also recommend you buy or fabricate a brace to prevent the battery from sliding, especially if you intend to auto-x or track your car...my solution:
Per our discussion about CCA, this is from Odyssey's website:
Originally Posted by Odyssey Batteries
Cold Cranking Amps: For all the power, durability, and life of our technology, the cca ratings can seem disapointing. That's because the cca ratings are often misunderstood. Odyssey batteries are SLI (starting, lighting and ignition), so if you are looking for a starting or reserve battery the cold cranking numbers can be irrelevant.
The "standard" cca test measures the output of a battery for 30 seconds of crank at 0 degrees with the ending voltage of the battery being 7.2v. Some companies use 15 or 20 seconds and some companies use 32 degrees which can make for better results.
A vehicles starter isn't designed to withstand 30 seconds of cranking so we feel the batteries starting power is more important. The Odyssey part numbers represent the 5 second cranking power of the battery.
The PC680 is rated at 680 amps for 5 seconds, 595 amps for 10 seconds, and 525 amps for 20 seconds. Cranking power is even higher for the first four seconds. Similar sized lead acid batteries are only rated at 180 - 220 amps.
The "standard" cca test measures the output of a battery for 30 seconds of crank at 0 degrees with the ending voltage of the battery being 7.2v. Some companies use 15 or 20 seconds and some companies use 32 degrees which can make for better results.
A vehicles starter isn't designed to withstand 30 seconds of cranking so we feel the batteries starting power is more important. The Odyssey part numbers represent the 5 second cranking power of the battery.
The PC680 is rated at 680 amps for 5 seconds, 595 amps for 10 seconds, and 525 amps for 20 seconds. Cranking power is even higher for the first four seconds. Similar sized lead acid batteries are only rated at 180 - 220 amps.
#23
07-29-2010, 06:19 PM
Good job on the install. Where did you get the "high temp mat?" You might have mentioned this, but I was too busy looking at the pics
I would also recommend you buy or fabricate a brace to prevent the battery from sliding, especially if you intend to auto-x or track your car...my solution:
Per our discussion about CCA, this is from Odyssey's website:
I know this thread is about Braille batteries, but wanted to mention that Odyssey makes a PC545 in two models that weight 11.5 and 12.5 lbs, but these are not recommended for 4 cylinder engines.
I would also recommend you buy or fabricate a brace to prevent the battery from sliding, especially if you intend to auto-x or track your car...my solution:
Per our discussion about CCA, this is from Odyssey's website:
I know this thread is about Braille batteries, but wanted to mention that Odyssey makes a PC545 in two models that weight 11.5 and 12.5 lbs, but these are not recommended for 4 cylinder engines.
I think Odessey uses pulse crank as their model indicates. PCA is like a short burst discharge hence "pulse", it usually is as short as 3-5 seconds. So if I'm not mistaken... PC545 = 545 PCA = 11.5/12.5 definitely not recommended for daily use. B14115 = 904 PCA = 11.5 is very allowable for daily use. Depending on where you live CCA is most important as this is usually rated at 0 deg. When oil thickens in colder weather this is where you need a batt with desired numbers. I still pick batteries from CCA rating.
All is good no worries... we're still talking batteries
Last edited by ThEvil0nE; 07-29-2010 at 06:21 PM.
#24
07-29-2010, 07:23 PM
Braille's are very nice batteries, but personally I think people get too hung up on cranking amps for batteries, kinda like megapixels for cameras. You certainly need a given amount of CCA to ensure you can turn over the engine, but just as important in other situations is the amp-hour size or RC of the battery, which indicates how much energy it can hold, not just how many amps it can source for a few seconds. If you run your stereo with the car off, leave your lights on accidentally, have your alternator fail, etc, the more energy you have in the battery the better.
It just so happens that amp-hour capacity / RC is almost directly related to battery size (ie volume). Small battery = small RC. This Braille has an RC of 25 and is only 15 Ah. A decent AA rechargeable battery is 2.5 AH (admittedly at 1/10 the voltage). I'd guess that the stock battery has probably twice that 15 Ah capacity.
So if you never need the stored capacity, these small and light batteries are great. But there is something being sacrificed by going that route.
It just so happens that amp-hour capacity / RC is almost directly related to battery size (ie volume). Small battery = small RC. This Braille has an RC of 25 and is only 15 Ah. A decent AA rechargeable battery is 2.5 AH (admittedly at 1/10 the voltage). I'd guess that the stock battery has probably twice that 15 Ah capacity.
So if you never need the stored capacity, these small and light batteries are great. But there is something being sacrificed by going that route.
#25
07-29-2010, 07:55 PM
If Fits came with kick starters you could get a Mighty Mite battery eliminator like us old guys used on British motorcycles 35 or 40 years ago.
#26
07-29-2010, 08:09 PM
Pretty cool battery. I'd get one if it was more practical for a DD (ie. longer lifetime). Warranty is only 1-year.
#29
10-25-2010, 01:27 AM
#30
10-25-2010, 01:41 AM
#31
10-25-2010, 01:50 AM
FWIW, I've been using the Odyssey ( i realize its not a Braille) with no problems for several months now. I only drive my Fit once every couple of days...and no problems cranking.
#33
10-25-2010, 11:11 PM
can anybody chime in to this battery is this good?
I desperately need to buy a new battery!!!
Tri State Battery Online Catalog
I desperately need to buy a new battery!!!
Tri State Battery Online Catalog
#34
10-26-2010, 01:44 AM
#36
10-26-2010, 08:35 PM
I plan to buy the B2015, but the "POSITIVE" is on the RIGHT SIDE...
Is it OK to put it in a "REVERSE" manner??? So that the positive will be on the left side...Will it MATTER ???
recommendations please !!!!!!!
thanks
Is it OK to put it in a "REVERSE" manner??? So that the positive will be on the left side...Will it MATTER ???
recommendations please !!!!!!!
thanks
Last edited by phenoyz; 10-26-2010 at 10:20 PM.
#37
10-27-2010, 09:07 AM
#38
07-01-2011, 02:36 AM
The battery in the old truck is going bad so I'll be ordering a Harley Davidson DEKA Battery from Tri States.. It goes for $78 and is said to be of more robust construction that their others... It will go in my Fit and the 5 year old battery in the Fit if going under the hood of the truck... I'll be able to put my oil/vapor separator and water/methanol injector in now that there will be some extra space... It will still be a tight squeeze .
#39
07-01-2011, 05:48 AM
OK, I know that the OEM battery made by Yuasa is a motorcycle battery with automotive terminals, so I get using the Harley battery in the Fit. What leads you to think that the Yuasa will handle your truck's heavier cranking needs? (Not hating, sincere question) Granted, in TX you're not going to have to deal with temps low enough to make oil thick and challenge the starter, but still, that's a lot more steel to get moving.....
#40
07-01-2011, 12:33 PM
OK, I know that the OEM battery made by Yuasa is a motorcycle battery with automotive terminals, so I get using the Harley battery in the Fit. What leads you to think that the Yuasa will handle your truck's heavier cranking needs? (Not hating, sincere question) Granted, in TX you're not going to have to deal with temps low enough to make oil thick and challenge the starter, but still, that's a lot more steel to get moving.....