2011 Honda Fit - New Info
#21
IMO... I'd rather slap on wider tires than have VSA on my FIT.
rant: what's next to be standard? cars that park themselves? cars that do the braking for you??? that's right... let's just get more and more folks that can't drive behind the steering wheel... saftey my @$$!!!
sorry for the rant
rant: what's next to be standard? cars that park themselves? cars that do the braking for you??? that's right... let's just get more and more folks that can't drive behind the steering wheel... saftey my @$$!!!
sorry for the rant
#22
The usual September/October timeline. Or just call your dealer.
#25
But I have yet to find this feature useful for any of my cars...doubt the Honda version will be much different...
I love how when you are trying to quickly pull out in traffic from a dusty road and the car detects wheel slippage and cuts power leaving you hung out to dry in the middle of traffic, but at least your wheels aren't slipping any more...
I love how when you are trying to quickly pull out in traffic from a dusty road and the car detects wheel slippage and cuts power leaving you hung out to dry in the middle of traffic, but at least your wheels aren't slipping any more...
This is a feature of the TCS not the VSA. Bad thing about Honda/Acura they usually integrate the two features together. While I can justify VSA to the general public cars/trucks... I hate TCS. My CL type S had it and like you said...was a big pain in the ars trying to pull out into traffic fast.
More info...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQq-4...e=more_related (esc = vsa)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DE9S...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tliP2yAKKcU
Last edited by Committobefit08; 08-16-2010 at 07:00 AM.
#27
We need a tax on stupid people!
I'm pretty sure the fit was a halloween timeframe.
~SB
#28
Would love a manual windows option! but you'd probably have to pay extra for it I prefer manual windows, but like automatic door locks
#29
VSA is retarded, does not save us from stupid people, and causes people to rely on it like a crutch and drive dumber and more recklessly then ever before.
When we get snow down in the valley people think their AWD VSA equipped car will keep them on the road.. and it becomes a demolition derby out there. Same goes for even the first rain after summer. Your average person shouldn't even have a drivers license and can barely handle a Smartcar, let alone that Suburban he/she drives to work everyday.
I suspect a scientific look at the numbers would show there is very little difference in accident per car between VSA and non VSA cars.
The bigger difference is vehicle construction and restraint systems.
When we get snow down in the valley people think their AWD VSA equipped car will keep them on the road.. and it becomes a demolition derby out there. Same goes for even the first rain after summer. Your average person shouldn't even have a drivers license and can barely handle a Smartcar, let alone that Suburban he/she drives to work everyday.
I suspect a scientific look at the numbers would show there is very little difference in accident per car between VSA and non VSA cars.
The bigger difference is vehicle construction and restraint systems.
#30
The overwhelming majority of studies find that ESC is highly effective in reducing single-vehicle crashes in cars and SUVs. Fatal single-vehicle crashes involving cars are reduced by about 30-50% and SUVs by 50-70%. Fatal rollover crashes are estimated to be about 70-90% lower with ESC regardless of vehicle type. A number of studies find improved effectiveness in reducing crashes when road conditions are slippery. There is little or no effect of ESC in all multi-vehicle crashes; however, there is a 17-38% reduction in more serious, fatal multi-vehicle crashes.
#31
Numbers lie...
Just like medical studies by biased sources, safety ninnies doing a study to increase car costs by imposing their will on everybody and/or raising insurance rates for those that do not comply are a little suspect in my book.
#32
VSA is retarded, does not save us from stupid people, and causes people to rely on it like a crutch and drive dumber and more recklessly then ever before.
When we get snow down in the valley people think their AWD VSA equipped car will keep them on the road.. and it becomes a demolition derby out there. Same goes for even the first rain after summer. Your average person shouldn't even have a drivers license and can barely handle a Smartcar, let alone that Suburban he/she drives to work everyday.
I suspect a scientific look at the numbers would show there is very little difference in accident per car between VSA and non VSA cars.
The bigger difference is vehicle construction and restraint systems.
When we get snow down in the valley people think their AWD VSA equipped car will keep them on the road.. and it becomes a demolition derby out there. Same goes for even the first rain after summer. Your average person shouldn't even have a drivers license and can barely handle a Smartcar, let alone that Suburban he/she drives to work everyday.
I suspect a scientific look at the numbers would show there is very little difference in accident per car between VSA and non VSA cars.
The bigger difference is vehicle construction and restraint systems.
VSA really comes in handy when avoiding things like Deer or other animals, as well as drivers who suddenly cut over during quick exits from the left lane of a 4 lane highway. It also benefits those who aren't as coordinated or don't have instantaneous reaction.
It may be a hindrance in some scenarios such as launching yourself out into traffic but chances are, if VSA kicks in when trying to get into traffic, you probably should have waited for a larger break between cars.
~SB
Last edited by specboy; 08-16-2010 at 01:40 PM.
#33
Well, the real advantage was in single vehicle accidents of all kinds. As to your procedural objection, most of the studies measure identical vehicle lines with and without VSA. ie, fit sport vs fit sport with navi/vsa. There probably is a bit of self-selection in that people who care about safety are more likely to buy safer vehicles and also drive more cautiously.
#35
For those that think that ESC is not needed on this car, see the EURONCAP video testing the Fit with and without ESC:
YouTube - Euro NCAP | Honda Jazz | 2009 | ESC test
The difference is quite dramatic. Without ESC, the Fit loses directional control and nearly rolls over.
YouTube - Euro NCAP | Honda Jazz | 2009 | ESC test
The difference is quite dramatic. Without ESC, the Fit loses directional control and nearly rolls over.
#36
That might not be a good idea, depending... I suspect that the 2011s will have a higher MSRP to go with those new features. As I recall, the 2010s were higher than the 2009s with no significant changes.
#37
im not sure what Honda is thinking anymore but there really is only 2 crowds Honda sells to. Its performance/style enthusists and its MPG/dependable/good quailty folks. seems as tho that Honda really wants to step away from their racing heritage. seems as tho the image Honda is trying to go for is the family friendly/eco friendly image. with the ridgeline/pilot/element appealing to the "outdoors" kinda ppl. the accord/crosstour/MDX/RDX/odessy to the luxury/family type. and the the Fit/Civic/CR-Z to the eco heads. whats left for us tuner heads? with less and less M/T's coming out of the factory. we havnt seen a Type-R model since 01. actually we've really only seen 1 Type-R model. wheres Honda going?
#38
I liked my mom focus zx3, cd player, A/C, power door lock, power door latch, but no fancy things like power windows/mirrors or safety features (I think there was no abs but not sure).
im not sure what Honda is thinking anymore but there really is only 2 crowds Honda sells to. Its performance/style enthusists and its MPG/dependable/good quailty folks. seems as tho that Honda really wants to step away from their racing heritage. seems as tho the image Honda is trying to go for is the family friendly/eco friendly image. with the ridgeline/pilot/element appealing to the "outdoors" kinda ppl. the accord/crosstour/MDX/RDX/odessy to the luxury/family type. and the the Fit/Civic/CR-Z to the eco heads. whats left for us tuner heads? with less and less M/T's coming out of the factory. we havnt seen a Type-R model since 01. actually we've really only seen 1 Type-R model. wheres Honda going?
They have less sport cars than before (no more powerfull crx, no more s2000), but still the fit is probably the best to drive (maybe the fiesta is good too), the civic si is quick.
And my 1987 civic wagon 4wd doesn't have much of a sport car. It's really roomy (like a fit), slow, reliable, and it handles like shit on dry (too high, to much adherance).
Honda has sport cars in the 90's, but historically, except for the s600 and s800, they just has small nimble cars, but not really sporty. And they can't make small nimble cars like before because of the safety and power windows.
Last edited by broody; 08-17-2010 at 02:44 PM.