The Facts of Life About the Oil Change
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The point wasn't about dumping out in the yard...dumb thing to do. the point was about some know- it-all thinking he had the right to tell others what they SHOULD do. A lot of self-righteous smart asses think they have that right, and that they have all the answers. By the way, Nixon was an idiot, who did a lot of stupid things. I taught marine Biology, Geology and Environmental Science. When you ignore the radical greenie propoganda, and get to the truth, you see that most of what they say is just plain bullshit. (like the statement that 4 qts can pollute millions of gallons of water.) True, if the whole 4 qts is poured into a vat containing millions of gallons of water. THEY, however, interpret the statment to say that 4 qts poured on the ground does that. It does not. Gore's movie was total BS, with doctored graphs, lies and half truths. You can't take what un-educated radicals say as gospel. Their agenda is paramount to them, the truth is not. Lets not even get on their claim that global warming is CAUSED by man. It is not. It is a natural cycle, and we have far more ice now than we had thousands of years ago. And the Vikings did not have cars to put out CO2.
It's obvious that if you pour 4 qts into the ground most of it won't make it to the water. but lets go with common sense here.... If only 1% of that 4 qts makes it to the water and exactly 100 people dump their oil.... that makes.... VOILA!!!! 4 qts. So obviously, if those 100 people stop dumping oil and decide to recycle, none of that oil will make it to the water. Basic logic.
I'll guess you meant me by the know-it-all... Granted, I live in the Green mountain state, I prefer organic foods, and yes, I did vote for the lesser of two evils last time the election came around, but I'm far from a "greenie" or a know-it-all. I'm more of a Common Sense kind of person but will say that I can be a smart-ass. It's a lot better than being a Dumb-ass. I have an opinion... a strong one at that when it comes to doing what is right vs wrong. Dumping oil IS wrong and everyone SHOULD recycle it because it is better for Everyone in the long run.
Sometimes, the more you feed them the more they show their ignorance, and the points that need to be made are either made or reinforced. Kind of like making Sarah Palin talk.
~SB
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From: Peoria, AZ
Where did you go to college? I just need to know so I can avoid sending my son there. Environmental Science? and you still dump oil into the ground? That's like Ronald McDonald Teaching about eating right.
It's obvious that if you pour 4 qts into the ground most of it won't make it to the water. but lets go with common sense here.... If only 1% of that 4 qts makes it to the water and exactly 100 people dump their oil.... that makes.... VOILA!!!! 4 qts. So obviously, if those 100 people stop dumping oil and decide to recycle, none of that oil will make it to the water. Basic logic.
I'll guess you meant me by the know-it-all... Granted, I live in the Green mountain state, I prefer organic foods, and yes, I did vote for the lesser of two evils last time the election came around, but I'm far from a "greenie" or a know-it-all. I'm more of a Common Sense kind of person but will say that I can be a smart-ass. It's a lot better than being a Dumb-ass. I have an opinion... a strong one at that when it comes to doing what is right vs wrong. Dumping oil IS wrong and everyone SHOULD recycle it because it is better for Everyone in the long run.
Sometimes, the more you feed them the more they show their ignorance, and the points that need to be made are either made or reinforced. Kind of like making Sarah Palin talk.
~SB
It's obvious that if you pour 4 qts into the ground most of it won't make it to the water. but lets go with common sense here.... If only 1% of that 4 qts makes it to the water and exactly 100 people dump their oil.... that makes.... VOILA!!!! 4 qts. So obviously, if those 100 people stop dumping oil and decide to recycle, none of that oil will make it to the water. Basic logic.
I'll guess you meant me by the know-it-all... Granted, I live in the Green mountain state, I prefer organic foods, and yes, I did vote for the lesser of two evils last time the election came around, but I'm far from a "greenie" or a know-it-all. I'm more of a Common Sense kind of person but will say that I can be a smart-ass. It's a lot better than being a Dumb-ass. I have an opinion... a strong one at that when it comes to doing what is right vs wrong. Dumping oil IS wrong and everyone SHOULD recycle it because it is better for Everyone in the long run.
Sometimes, the more you feed them the more they show their ignorance, and the points that need to be made are either made or reinforced. Kind of like making Sarah Palin talk.
~SB
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From: New York
I didn't come here to listen to Sarah Palin talk, I came for car advice.
That said, I'm surprised no idiot has made the argument "Why NOT dump it into the ground? Where do you think the oil came from in the first place?"
That said, I'm surprised no idiot has made the argument "Why NOT dump it into the ground? Where do you think the oil came from in the first place?"
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From: Georgia
Ford has its name on oil, as does even Kawasaki. Honda does not have magical engineers, with acces to special oil refining techniques. They also buy parts for the cars from other auto parts suppliers. Any oil, or other fluid, that meets Honda's requirements, will do just fine. Do it yourself and save the bucks, not to mention the time to drive to a dealership, cool your heels while it is done, and then drive home. I can do an oil change on the Fit in less than 10 minutes, including getting the ramps out.
My question, though, is how much is really saved after the separating, if any, shipping and the lot. Sort of like hybrid cars. When EVERYTHING, including production, shipping, battery recycling and the like, is calculated, it is less efficient than a gas car. Especially one like the Fit.
Apparently you don't know it, but Castrol from Wal mart is the same as Castrol from anywhere else. So keep the snooty attitude elsewhere. You just don't get it. The TOTAL cost of recycling needs to be considered, not just YOUR cost. And what SHOULD be done is a personal decision. You have not authority to tell others what they SHOULD do. You opinion only. Unproven, unverified, and untrained.
Sounds like you should be out with the OWS crowd, since you hate the biggest retailer in the country, which employs how many people? Murder is illegal, not a "should not do" thing. The "experts" you worship, like those from Honda, are not Gods. Honda has missed the mark in product development and engineering for a good number of years lately. (Look at the Insight, Crosstour, and CRZ) Hardly worthy of worship. Since you are obsessed with greed, perhaps you will not mind sending 50% of your money to me so that it can be "shared". While you run around with the greenie crowd, waste your money on foolish social agenda nonsense, I will do as I see fit, use MY experience, not marketing nonsense, and raise My family as I see fit, not as you and your crowd try to dictate.
Thanks. I wasn't going to claim it to be larger than I knew. Biggest in the world, huh? Employs a lot of people, not only in its stores, but in the producers who it buys from. I wonder how the OWS crowd would feel if all those hundreds of thousands, or maybe millions of people lost their jobs. Then they would be crying about that. The green weenies just don't get the big picture. It costs more, not only in money, but in resources and their beloved pollution, to make a hybrid and recycling in general. Just makes them "feel good". Oh well, they can go on their merry, ill-advised way.
The point was that a couple of green weenies tried to say it must be done. No such thing. Should? Maybe. Maybe greenie agenda that actually costs more than it is worth. The contamination of the water you talk about is if it is poured into the water. 4 qts does not seep to the groundwater as 4 qts.Unless you are where the water table is right below the surface, it won't make it to the water level. In AZ it is hundreds of feet down, and a bit here or there never makes it. Anyway, if you buy the weenie line, do it. Nobody tells others what they SHOULD do, since it is their OPINION. ( I taught science for 20 years.)
The point wasn't about dumping out in the yard...dumb thing to do. the point was about some know- it-all thinking he had the right to tell others what they SHOULD do. A lot of self-righteous smart asses think they have that right, and that they have all the answers. By the way, Nixon was an idiot, who did a lot of stupid things. I taught marine Biology, Geology and Environmental Science. When you ignore the radical greenie propoganda, and get to the truth, you see that most of what they say is just plain bullshit. (like the statement that 4 qts can pollute millions of gallons of water.) True, if the whole 4 qts is poured into a vat containing millions of gallons of water. THEY, however, interpret the statment to say that 4 qts poured on the ground does that. It does not. Gore's movie was total BS, with doctored graphs, lies and half truths. You can't take what un-educated radicals say as gospel. Their agenda is paramount to them, the truth is not. Lets not even get on their claim that global warming is CAUSED by man. It is not. It is a natural cycle, and we have far more ice now than we had thousands of years ago. And the Vikings did not have cars to put out CO2.
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From: Vermont
Typical, obnoxious, self-righteous snob. YOUR opinion, and your OPINION only. Everything from oil, and some sci-fi ideas about what MAY happen if others do not obey your peculiar notions of what THEY should do. (From oil, to air in tires) The problem is, you follow what others of your ilk say, without any attempt to see if what they say is right. Sort of like a lemming going off the cliff because he sees the others doing it. I truly feel sorry for your children, who will be raised to be blind followers of the fad of the week, with no independent thought.
I'll narrow it down a bit.
Oil = Toxic
Toxins in Ground = Dangerous
To extrapolate on this. Oil... in Ground.... = BAD
These are not opinions... they are not right wing, left wing, chicken wing... any form of political "opinions"
They are Fact.
Out of curiosity, were you watching the BP live oil Cam and cheering it on?
And again, these are not opinions... mine or anyone else.
And thanks for the concern about the family. My son will be sure to grow up respecting others and not be selfish.
~SB
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From: Peoria, AZ
Geez...People so blinded by their crowd following ignorance that thay can't even read and interpret, even when it is explained in plain English. No wonder schools and universities have had to dumb down their curriculum. If they didn't, 90% of these sheep would never pass out of high school.
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Someone has to, since Your crowd can't add 2 +2 and come up with the right answer.....unless your leader gives it to you.
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From: Cleveland, GA
I truly understand what you are trying to say. I'm not suggesting that it's true of those around here because I don't know them well enough. I do agree, however, that many of our supposed green ideas that tree hugging hippies jump for joy over are not so smart. Like ethanol or electric cars. You have to look at the big picture and ask yourself how do we get ethanol and electricity? In the case of ethanol, it is harvested with a diesel tractor and transported using a diesel truck AND we have the added benefit of using land to produce fuel instead of food. In the case of electricity, the bulk of it is produced using coal or fuel. So, that plug in electric car is NOT eliminating the need for fossil fuels.
I have even used my used motor oil as a flammable material to start a fire. Before anyone jumps on my a$$ for doing so consider this, whether it's oil, gasoline, kerosene, diesel, or a can of Kingsford lighter fluid they are ALL petroleum products.
I do recycle, I do not pour oil in the ground, and I try to not be wasteful. However, I don't buy into all the crap that our EPA and goverment try to force down my throat. Like these darn energy efficient bulbs that are only produced in China where they power their factories with coal and are the worst polluters on the planet. So, they use coal to produce these bulbs, we buy them and the net result is pollution in China and a worse trade balance.
I could go on and on. Basically, I agree with everyone here that pouring oil in the ground is bad, but I do agree that many people need to open their eyes and look at the big picture.
can someone forward me a freaking honda air freshener coupon already? i want the dealer to install it so that my independent mechanic doesn't hang it in the wrong spot and then void the warrantee on my interior. plus, could you imagine trying to explain that away if that service doesn't show up on the carfax? you'd be done, son!
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BTW, kennef, I agree with you. The OP either works for a dealership or is a moron. I have owned 17 cars and traded in the majority of them to get the next one. Carfax, records, etc don't mean a DAMN thing. They look in the black book and you get what it says. No dealer has EVER checked Carfax or given a darn about records. The few time I have pointed out that I have the records, original window sticker, etc they basically say "whatever." To a dealer, the SAME EXACT ONES that say you should have your service done there to keep your warranty and maintain resale value, don't give a rats arse about records or anything else when they are the ones buying. A car is just a number to them and it's worth what the book says.
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Yeah, why save TONS of electricity because a small bit of electricity is used somewhere else to MAKE the light bulb? ONE efficient, long-lasting bulb, instead of six or ten inefficient bulbs instead. That makes tons of sense! And wow, if we buy stuff from elsewhere, gee, might they buy something from us? Like, say, our largest exports, entertainment and aircraft? No, let's all lock the doors to the country and hide and not trade with other countries, that'll solve all our problems!
And while we're at it, since we can't actually make sense, let's name-call, call people tree-huggers and greenies, and talk about how fat Al Gore is, because that surely will get people to understand actual, what are they called? Facts?
And while we're at it, since we can't actually make sense, let's name-call, call people tree-huggers and greenies, and talk about how fat Al Gore is, because that surely will get people to understand actual, what are they called? Facts?
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Anyone who thinks our trading with China has been a net benefit to human kind is not seeing the big picture. We have helped support the slavery of an entire race while destroying our economy.
My point was that people don't look at the big picture. I have some compact flourescent bulbs in my own home, but they do not come without a price. They contain mercury, increase our trade deficit, harm the environment in China, and are a hazardous material to dispose of. Yes, they take less power to light your home and last longer.
Too many people think that if we use these bulbs, drive an electric car, and recycle that all of our problems are solved and that is not the case. Yes, we need to do what we can, but these are not complete solutions. The problems are more complicated than that and people need to think instead of simply listening to what they are told.
My point was that people don't look at the big picture. I have some compact flourescent bulbs in my own home, but they do not come without a price. They contain mercury, increase our trade deficit, harm the environment in China, and are a hazardous material to dispose of. Yes, they take less power to light your home and last longer.
Too many people think that if we use these bulbs, drive an electric car, and recycle that all of our problems are solved and that is not the case. Yes, we need to do what we can, but these are not complete solutions. The problems are more complicated than that and people need to think instead of simply listening to what they are told.
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Oh, and don't get me started about trading with China. They STILL do not acknowledge intellectual rights and feel it is completely acceptable to copy the work of others. Feel free to sell one of your comedy CD's or whatever you want to China, but know that it will by duplicated 1,000 fold and sold on ebay for $.01 plus $10.00 shipping and you can't do anything about it.
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From: Peoria, AZ
Oooh, oooh...I got this. It's 3 right?
I truly understand what you are trying to say. I'm not suggesting that it's true of those around here because I don't know them well enough. I do agree, however, that many of our supposed green ideas that tree hugging hippies jump for joy over are not so smart. Like ethanol or electric cars. You have to look at the big picture and ask yourself how do we get ethanol and electricity? In the case of ethanol, it is harvested with a diesel tractor and transported using a diesel truck AND we have the added benefit of using land to produce fuel instead of food. In the case of electricity, the bulk of it is produced using coal or fuel. So, that plug in electric car is NOT eliminating the need for fossil fuels.
I have even used my used motor oil as a flammable material to start a fire. Before anyone jumps on my a$$ for doing so consider this, whether it's oil, gasoline, kerosene, diesel, or a can of Kingsford lighter fluid they are ALL petroleum products.
I do recycle, I do not pour oil in the ground, and I try to not be wasteful. However, I don't buy into all the crap that our EPA and goverment try to force down my throat. Like these darn energy efficient bulbs that are only produced in China where they power their factories with coal and are the worst polluters on the planet. So, they use coal to produce these bulbs, we buy them and the net result is pollution in China and a worse trade balance.
I could go on and on. Basically, I agree with everyone here that pouring oil in the ground is bad, but I do agree that many people need to open their eyes and look at the big picture.
I truly understand what you are trying to say. I'm not suggesting that it's true of those around here because I don't know them well enough. I do agree, however, that many of our supposed green ideas that tree hugging hippies jump for joy over are not so smart. Like ethanol or electric cars. You have to look at the big picture and ask yourself how do we get ethanol and electricity? In the case of ethanol, it is harvested with a diesel tractor and transported using a diesel truck AND we have the added benefit of using land to produce fuel instead of food. In the case of electricity, the bulk of it is produced using coal or fuel. So, that plug in electric car is NOT eliminating the need for fossil fuels.
I have even used my used motor oil as a flammable material to start a fire. Before anyone jumps on my a$$ for doing so consider this, whether it's oil, gasoline, kerosene, diesel, or a can of Kingsford lighter fluid they are ALL petroleum products.
I do recycle, I do not pour oil in the ground, and I try to not be wasteful. However, I don't buy into all the crap that our EPA and goverment try to force down my throat. Like these darn energy efficient bulbs that are only produced in China where they power their factories with coal and are the worst polluters on the planet. So, they use coal to produce these bulbs, we buy them and the net result is pollution in China and a worse trade balance.
I could go on and on. Basically, I agree with everyone here that pouring oil in the ground is bad, but I do agree that many people need to open their eyes and look at the big picture.