Wanted: best all-round, well-sorted fast road suspension
dang camber in front is agressive... i probably won't add as much... what is the height you're lowered?
You should have it corner balanced when you swap the K!!! but if you don't lift any wheels it should be close to optimal
You should have it corner balanced when you swap the K!!! but if you don't lift any wheels it should be close to optimal
Yeah i was planning on corner balancing. The weight of the K indifference from the L, i really dont think it will be that bad. Im also removing the entire A/C system so this should help out TONS! also sense most of the cage weight is in the rear this will help out a ton also. I can move things to the rear or other locations as needed. MER in cresson tx (guys who did my cage) are willing to corner balance it for me. they have a really nice in ground scale (scales). I cant really tell you exact ride height inches but i did measure from ground to side jack points and its 5". My front control arms are perfectly parallel to the ground.
Follow Up: I went with the Swift Springs and installed them weekend before last. I can absolutely see why so many people love them--for $254 it's an amazing upgrade and easy to do IF you follow the instructions and don't let the axle pop out. I skimmed the instructions a bit too quickly and missed that crucial detail. Searching these forums, I can see I was definitely alone.
Never happened on any other car, never worried until it was too late.
At the same time, I also did the REVO short shift kit and that's a nice improvement too. I'd say it could be even shorter and I'm curious if anyone finally combined a Skunk2 short shift adapter w/this or not?
Today I installed the leather OEM shift knob. Thanks to Baked Cookies for that one.
Next up: waiting for Tiger Tuning braces & rear sway bar, Goodridge brake lines, either hub-centric spacers or some type of decent wheels/tires to fill out the fenders without killing mpg too bad. Maybe some pedals and some leather seat covers to complete the driver (and baby) interface.
Joel
Never happened on any other car, never worried until it was too late.At the same time, I also did the REVO short shift kit and that's a nice improvement too. I'd say it could be even shorter and I'm curious if anyone finally combined a Skunk2 short shift adapter w/this or not?
Today I installed the leather OEM shift knob. Thanks to Baked Cookies for that one.
Next up: waiting for Tiger Tuning braces & rear sway bar, Goodridge brake lines, either hub-centric spacers or some type of decent wheels/tires to fill out the fenders without killing mpg too bad. Maybe some pedals and some leather seat covers to complete the driver (and baby) interface.

Joel
So, what's the trick with keeping the axles from popping out? Get a buddy to hold them in place?
Serious question.
Yep, bungee cords will do the trick. To get it back in & after worrying about how many people had trouble, spent many frustrating hours, removed the boot, etc. I thought my best bet would be to apply some constant pressure to the axle to encourage it to go in once aligned. To achieve this, I used a ratchet strap around the knuckle and hooked the other end somewhere straight across the car near the opposite lower control arm mounts to get a nice, straight pull in the direction I wanted. I also had to remove a fastener in the plastic splash tray so the strap could take a straighter path. With snug but not extreme tension and some gentle rotation back and forth, it popped in uneventfully in about 20 minutes and I didn't get tired pushing and hoping, didn't remove the CV boot, no zip-tie dilemma. 
Ratchet straps to the rescue--definitely not the first time; these things are really handy to have around. Some day, I'll get a real come-along.
Joel
PS: To the coil over track rat, you're chasing a much different goal but it sounds like you're enjoying yourself.

Ratchet straps to the rescue--definitely not the first time; these things are really handy to have around. Some day, I'll get a real come-along.

Joel
PS: To the coil over track rat, you're chasing a much different goal but it sounds like you're enjoying yourself.
Last edited by JoelR; Mar 22, 2011 at 02:09 PM.
Yep, bungee cords will do the trick. To get it back in & after worrying about how many people had trouble, spent many frustrating hours, removed the boot, etc. I thought my best bet would be to apply some constant pressure to the axle to encourage it to go in once aligned. To achieve this, I used a ratchet strap around the knuckle and hooked the other end somewhere straight across the car near the opposite lower control arm mounts to get a nice, straight pull in the direction I wanted. I also had to remove a fastener in the plastic splash tray so the strap could take a straighter path. With snug but not extreme tension and some gentle rotation back and forth, it popped in uneventfully in about 20 minutes and I didn't get tired pushing and hoping, didn't remove the CV boot, no zip-tie dilemma. 
Ratchet straps to the rescue--definitely not the first time; these things are really handy to have around. Some day, I'll get a real come-along.
Joel
PS: To the coil over track rat, you're chasing a much different goal but it sounds like you're enjoying yourself.

Ratchet straps to the rescue--definitely not the first time; these things are really handy to have around. Some day, I'll get a real come-along.

Joel
PS: To the coil over track rat, you're chasing a much different goal but it sounds like you're enjoying yourself.

1. Track Rat 64 up, 11 down
A race car of questionable appearance. Money is spent on safety gear, brake pads and tires rather than cosmetic repairs giving the car the look of a common beater.
or this one... LOL
4. TRACK RAT 3 up, 34 down
a black or ghetto female that always has the nappyest track!!!!!!! and makes any nigga wanna buy her a comb! lol
ewwwwww that bitch got a nappy head!!! oh thats just a track rat
If so, free mods for me!
I haven't been able to narrow down my shopping list enough and would like some help. Our 2010 Fit Sport is our family hauler/commuter car. Typical use is hauling our 1yr old kid to daycare & dad (that's me) & mom to work. That said, we're used to driving much sportier cars like my '98 Impreza RS and '04 STi. Shortly after getting the RS, I added a Cusco 22mm rear sway bar and I imported an STi v5 suspension from the UK and it transformed the suspension from "sporty" to a much more firm but quite well-balanced setup. For those of you who follow rally, I got to drive Patrick Richard's Impreza rally car with DMS 50mm suspension and my STi v5 setup was stiffer, better damped and felt overall much better than his (as set up for rally). The '04 STi feels stiff and decently sorted out but not AS good as the older car. Whatever.
The Fit feels pretty bobbly, leans a lot in corners, gets knocked around by wind and my wife and I agree we'd like to go with a firmer suspension, more like the STi if possible. That said, I'm not that interested in going much lower (already scrapes on our driveway if you don't angle it) and I definitely don't want to go so stiff that the car sucks to drive around town (remember: family car). When I read most threads in this forum, I see a lot of comments about things like wheel gap, stance, "handles like its on rails", etc. but I don't find much about a finely-tuned all-round setup that most agree is the way to go for a guy like me.
I've never had coil overs. I don't know if that's what I'm after. I doubt it. I think a standard strut/spring setup that's dialed in and even non-adjustable would suit me fine but I'm not afraid of coilovers if I can achieve my goals that way and don't have to fiddle with it once set.
So, if the ultimate setup is the Mugen, I'd appreciate someone who knows the Mugen vs. alternatives to break down its strengths and weaknesses. If it's something else, I'm open to all suggestions as long as you get where I'm coming from.
Thanks,
Joel
PS: I might jump in on the group buy from Tiger Tuning if those parts will help as well. I can't tell how much chassis stiffness is a major problem with such a soft stock suspension.
The Fit feels pretty bobbly, leans a lot in corners, gets knocked around by wind and my wife and I agree we'd like to go with a firmer suspension, more like the STi if possible. That said, I'm not that interested in going much lower (already scrapes on our driveway if you don't angle it) and I definitely don't want to go so stiff that the car sucks to drive around town (remember: family car). When I read most threads in this forum, I see a lot of comments about things like wheel gap, stance, "handles like its on rails", etc. but I don't find much about a finely-tuned all-round setup that most agree is the way to go for a guy like me.
I've never had coil overs. I don't know if that's what I'm after. I doubt it. I think a standard strut/spring setup that's dialed in and even non-adjustable would suit me fine but I'm not afraid of coilovers if I can achieve my goals that way and don't have to fiddle with it once set.
So, if the ultimate setup is the Mugen, I'd appreciate someone who knows the Mugen vs. alternatives to break down its strengths and weaknesses. If it's something else, I'm open to all suggestions as long as you get where I'm coming from.
Thanks,
Joel
PS: I might jump in on the group buy from Tiger Tuning if those parts will help as well. I can't tell how much chassis stiffness is a major problem with such a soft stock suspension.
i loved the swifts, great balance. i should have left it alone at the swift springs.
i also liked the coilovers, but i settled on spring rates and damping too stiff for what i needed, so didn't enjoy them as much as i should have. lesson leaned, but if you want a great set of coilovers at value pricing, AMR is a good choice. currently using their coilovers on my track/DD other car and i'm really happy with them. i've had some stupidly pricey coilovers in the past and i actually prefer the AMR set. <$1500 USD.
in the end, if you want set-and-forget, you will love the swifts. i recommend you get them installed at the same time you're getting an alignment with 0/0 toe all around, presto you're done. no-brainer.
coilovers really aren't that tough to figure out, so don't be shy. after a little initial setup, you only have to adjust your damper settings as you like. a set from AMR will have valving matched to your spring rates and driving needs. from a technical standpoint, matched coilovers are far superior to lowering springs on stock dampers. the extra step to set the ride height. 0/0 toe all around with the alignment, done.
I have always liked Swift springs on my Fit but since I removed the rear seats the rear of the car was sitting very high.. It was great for improving traction out of the hole from a dead stop but the change was bad enough to cause the front lip to sit much lower making it difficult to drive far at all with out having it contact the ground and cause the front bumper to pull loose from one or the other fender...I ordered a set of Buddy Club N+ coilovers and when replacing tires to 205 50 16's I had to go ahead and get wheels wheels that wouldn't cause the tire to get cut to pieces on the fender wells because of the offset and width of the wheels I had on the car... So far I have only mounted the rear dampers and springs. It is lower then with Swifts but I was able to raise the rear a little to prevent the side walls from scraping as much but with the Kosei 6 1/2" X16" w/45 mm offset and weigh only 12.8 lbs there is a very prominent improvement in handling, though with the dampers still set in the firmest setting to help with keeping the fender and tire from making tire contact with the other wheels installed It rides a little rough....I like having the wheels an tires sitting well inside the wheel wells and not putting excessive stress on the lug nuts, hubs, axles and suspension......With the lighter weight and more negative offset of the wheels there is less torque steer when cornering or making lane changes under and steering while on the throttle.... The steering feels much lighter and precise plus I won't be coating the car with dirt and sand when driving on the dirt roads and up my driveway... I will have some super sticky performance tires mounted of my Enkei RPF1s for when I want to get more power to the ground and experience more lateral G force... The Wal-Mart Goodyear Eagle Authority tires I got a decent deal on are quiet, have great traction wet or dry and 50,000 mile warranty.... I think the Buddy Club dampers and springs will allow me to dial in the height, damping and spring preload to just about any wheel tire combination and driving style I want... I am sacrificing some suspension travel but it doesn't feel nearly as rough as I was anticipating..It feel much more comfortable than a stock Fit with 40 lbs of air pressure in the tires... I seem to be getting better fuel mileage also.
Going OT for a sec: Coyote, how much you figure those rear seats weigh (they seem hugely heavy to me)? Was removing them just a matter of unbolting? Does the weight distribution without the rear seats make the handling all weird, like some sort of El Camino with an empty bed?
I like the idea of reducing weight . . . but I'm still running stock suspension, alignment and tire sizes.
I like the idea of reducing weight . . . but I'm still running stock suspension, alignment and tire sizes.
Going OT for a sec: Coyote, how much you figure those rear seats weigh (they seem hugely heavy to me)? Was removing them just a matter of unbolting? Does the weight distribution without the rear seats make the handling all weird, like some sort of El Camino with an empty bed?
I like the idea of reducing weight . . . but I'm still running stock suspension, alignment and tire sizes.
I like the idea of reducing weight . . . but I'm still running stock suspension, alignment and tire sizes.
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Last edited by Texas Coyote; Nov 29, 2011 at 05:48 PM.
Seats went back in and i also leave the spare in to further balance the car.

As for suspension, i'm on Bilstein PSS coilovers. No setup, as they've done it for you. Best choice i think for a comfy yet capable setup. My pelvis isn't dust from the sub-par back roads, but it stiffens up when you push the car through corners
I plan on getting Bilstein PSS coils in the next few months and getting corner weighted without the rear seats in the car and with me in the driver seat; that should correct any weight distribution issues by trying to get weight as near to 60/40 with 50/50 cross and she should handle marvelously!



