Yes,
Using the part number, it is clear That the mysterious leveling sensor is part of the HEADLIGHT Self Leveling System, here are the list of parts connected to that ECU: B-13-50 |
well that figures it then. there is supposed to be an HID autolevelling headlight for the JDM Fits. still trying to find correct part numbers for the HID headlight and harnesses, ballasts. u think u can discover those. i think there is a minor difference between the HID and halogen lamps, but i want to see if there is a difference between light output, decent enough to compare it to projectors.
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Originally Posted by xxryu139x
(Post 1178098)
well that figures it then. there is supposed to be an HID autolevelling headlight for the JDM Fits. still trying to find correct part numbers for the HID headlight and harnesses, ballasts. u think u can discover those. i think there is a minor difference between the HID and halogen lamps, but i want to see if there is a difference between light output, decent enough to compare it to projectors.
You ask for it, I got it for you :)) B-8 head light for Honda Fit frame DBA-GE8 - Genuine parts and don't forget to buy the self leveling too, (link on my previous post), cause I think the bracket for HID might be different cause they are combined with self leveling... for RS model with the "S" package :) WOW, so my JDM Rear Axle came from RS with "S" Package !!! no wonder they want me to pay more !!! not that I need that sensor ... oh well... |
You guys figured it out already... other market Fits have auto-levelling headlights... :nod:
another thing we don't get here. |
Checking in to see the status. Also how is the rear bumper project coming along?
The one question I have is why not buy the rear assembly off E-bay UK? I think I read where someone else did that but never installed could not find the thread. http://i.ebayimg.com/t/HONDA-JAZZ-20...7E%7E60_12.JPG HONDA JAZZ 2009 2010 2011 REAR AXLE BEAN | eBay Thanks, should start a complete build thread. |
Originally Posted by cjecpa
(Post 1178520)
Checking in to see the status. Also how is the rear bumper project coming along?
The one question I have is why not buy the rear assembly off E-bay UK? I think I read where someone else did that but never installed could not find the thread. http://i.ebayimg.com/t/HONDA-JAZZ-20...7E%7E60_12.JPG HONDA JAZZ 2009 2010 2011 REAR AXLE BEAN | eBay Thanks, should start a complete build thread. and that price is for just the Rear Axle Only, without the Disk Rotor, without Brake Caliper, without brake pad, without brake pipe, without brake hose and without Parking Brake cable. and most likely it is WITHOUT Rear Hub/Bearing too... The seller ask you to contact them directly for price of complete assy. but I wonder how much is shipping from UK to US, perhaps cheaper then from Japan. Oh, I just read it again, and the item is in POLAND !!! and they do ship to UK but MAY NOT ship to US... the good things is they have 4 available though... And you have to be careful when buying used stuff because usually people replace their rear axle when the rear axle were bend or have alignment problem due to hitting curb or accident... there are several post on Fitfreak about bent rear axle. It would be suck to buy used rear axle and after you install it, (and buy the rotor, caliper, brake pipe/hose, parking brake cable etc etc, only to find that it is a BEND rear axle). Also the mileage is unclear too, so they might had several thousands miles on them and you might have to replace the rear bearing because of the mileage... I mean, there must be reason why they are asking for that cheap price :) a brand new axle in Japan (WITHOUT rotor, caliper, brake hose/pipe, rear hub/bearing and other item needed) so just axle ONLY already cost around $537 to $696 and that is without shipping cost from Japan to US, and without Import Duty that US Custom might charge you since you are buying new item. here is the link to list price of JDM RS Rear Axle with disk brake (but this is for axle only): http://honda.epc-data.com/fit/dba-ge...teering/36960/ Regarding, My JDM rear bumper... funny you talk about my rear bumper :) because just an hour ago, I stop by at other body shop near my house and they quote $600 to $800 for install and paint (including modification of the rear steel beam). But I still won't have free time to install it until perhaps next month... all the body shop want me to leave my car with them for at least 3 to 4 days !... |
Not really looking to do the rear swap myself just was wondering why no one was buying any of the rear axles from e-bay UK since there seems to be a lot of activity on the forum about rear disc conversions.
Not a bad price from the body shop. |
Originally Posted by cjecpa
(Post 1178537)
Not really looking to do the rear swap myself just was wondering why no one was buying any of the rear axles from e-bay UK since there seems to be a lot of activity on the forum about rear disc conversions.
Not a bad price from the body shop. There are many people who is interested in doing rear disk brake conversion but most people have budget below $800. Because if they have budget above $800, then many will have bought the FastBrake.com rear disk conversion which currently sold for $825. some people say that the Fastbrake conversion is only for GD, but I think they also have for GE because the title clearly say 2007 to 2011 brake conversion... and from 2009 all Honda Fit are GE. and if you want to do a rear axle swap, it most likely will cost more than $800. but if people really want to do a DIY rear brake conversion by them selves, I think it is possible to get it done around $600 only, provided that you are willing to do all the bracket measurement your self, go to machine shop your self and install everything your self, You also had to avoid buying brand new parts and buy USED or Non OEM rotor and Rebuilt Caliper with standard brake pads, and using Non Stainless Steel brake hose, and of course some used parking brake cable. A stainless steel brake hose like Goodridge will bump up the price too much... still if I were to do a rear disk brake conversion without swapping rear axle, I would just buy a complete kit from FastBrakes.com which already include " Fastbrakes designed 11" rear drum to disc conversion for Honda Fit. Uses the factory calipers with 11" slotted/drilled rotors. Kit comes complete with all the needed parts: Rotors, remanufactured calipers, adapter kit, braided steel brake lines, park brake cables, performance pads." That Fastbrakes kit is really a good value for money !!! and came from RESPECTED/PROVEN Vendor and the size it self is very generous 11 in, so if you upgrade your front brake, it will be perfect !!! come to think about it, I really CONFUSED on how fastbrakes.com make money on that kit !!! I mean the most they make on that kit is maybe only $100 to $150 per kit..., if they are lucky to get cheap parts, maybe they are making $200 max per kit... which is a Fair Price... and yet, I still have not see any GE owner bought the FastBrakes.com rear kit...(at least from what I read so far in this forum) so that show how sensitive budget is when it came to rear brake conversion... for GE ! I mean $800 could almost buy you a new T1R coil over and a new exhaust... for Honda Fit owner... even T1R stop making their rear disk brake conversion... which can only mean, they don't make too much money for it to be worth it... Regarding the body shop quote, I got another shop who quote me $500 but located further from my home.. so we will see when I have free time to let my car stay at the body shop... |
The general consensus on the reason the fastbrakes kit wont work on the GE's is because the USDM GE8's have a welded rear hub/spindle. The GD's were bolted. That's what I remember from those threads...
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Originally Posted by FitStir
(Post 1178547)
The general consensus on the reason the fastbrakes kit wont work on the GE's is because the USDM GE8's have a welded rear hub/spindle. The GD's were bolted. That's what I remember from those threads...
I think I read somewhere on fitfreak that some one here did contact fastbrake.com and I think fastbrake did confirm it can work on GE... anyway, the best thing to do is to Call or Email Fastbrake.com directly and ask whether their kit work for GE or not. |
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I bought several Caliper Paints, Brake Cleaner, Lubricant and also Wire Brush
hopefully tomorrow I can start painting the Caliper and the rotor ... I had started doing a little wire brushing on the rotor, but not finished yet... still I am now confused if I am going to keep the rear rotor or not,... I had finished doing some research and several possible larger rear rotor ranging from OEM Honda rotor to other brand rotor (Mazda, Mini etc),... but I think the best choice would be the 2 piece rotor and hat combo from Wilwood !!! which is 11.4 inches !!! but of course I am going to keep the original caliper so it won't be too powerful, and I am going to buy this only after I buy the front Big Brake Kit that I had in my mind, so it will be BALANCE between front and rear braking ! The Front Big Brake Kit that I had in my mind is the 355mm rotor with 6 piston Brembo caliper as part of the Brembo GT Turismo Kit for Subaru BR-Z. Because that kit had a PCD of 5x100 and a center bore of 56.1... so if I have to modified, I only need to redrill to 4x100 and machine the center bore of the Brembo hat to sit perfectly on the Honda Fit front hub :) hmmm... because of this, I might not install this rear axle until I had the front Big Brake Kit because it is easier to do the measurement for the rear Wilwood rotor with this JDM rear axle on my living room then installed under the car :) but let's see... I am not sure yet... I do think I should finished the first project of mine which is the JDM RS Rear Bumper... it sucks to have a nicer (for me personally) rear bumper in my garage with my car still wearing the "stock" USDM bumper... Attachment 19841 Attachment 19842 |
Here is the picture of the Rotor and Caliper of the Brembo for Subaru BR-Z.
Notice that the rotor hat only have 5 holes for the lug nut and NO OTHER HOLES, so this make redrilling much easier. and hopefully I can even fit the 2 little holes for the centering screw like in Honda Fit standard rotor :) Also the position of the Caliper on Subaru BR-Z is in FRONT Of the front axle just like Honda Fit, so the Bleed Nipple will have the same orientation like our Honda Fit and would not give me problem when I am bleeding the brake ! Imagine that Brembo Brake on a Taffeta White Honda Fit Sport but with Yellow Color (instead of the red like in the picture) on the Caliper :) it will make my car go slower for sure, but I really love the looks :) http://www.vividracing.com/blog/wp-c...finalangle.jpg http://www.vividracing.com/blog/wp-c...wheelmount.jpg http://www.vividracing.com/blog/wp-c...arkinglot1.jpg |
An even better looking one is the kit from Audi RS5
because the caliper had the word "RS" written on it !!! I know the RS for Audi is RennSport while for Honda RS is Road Sailing LOL (Big Different) hahaha but hey, RS is RS right ? hahaha unfortunately, from the pictures, looks like the offset of the Audi RS5 might be too small (wheel had to be push outside more) and I don't think Honda Fit offset can accommodate this, a pity since the new WAVE rotor is also very nice looking !!! The PCD and Hub can be modified too by redrilling and hub centric ring for the hub... The Caliper for this RS5 kit are 8 piston caliper !!! (Brembo of course) and the price is even cheaper than the Brembo for Subaru BR-Z kit !!! yes it is CHEAPER, by several hundreds dollars !!! oh, do I mention that the rotor for this RS5 kit are 365mm which mean it is bigger then Brembo for Subaru 355mm and still can fit under 18in wheel !!! yes a Wave style rotor at 365mm will looks the best !!! too bad the offset... !!! here are the pictures: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7003/6...cb4c96bb_z.jpg http://www.audizine.com/classifieds/data/78/11.JPG http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8434/7...e1eaf8bf_z.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7018/6...baf51d52_z.jpg http://www.teilecar.com/files/audi-r...s-6-kolben.jpg http://www.bks-tuning.com/WebRoot/St...RS5_Bremse.jpg |
When I am sure that I am going to buy the Brembo Front Big Brake Kit,
well I am pretty sure that I want to get it, but have wait for the "budget" to be approved hahaha :) (if I can get my budget to get approved hahaha)... then I need the Wilwood upgrade for my rear rotor and here are the Perfect Wilwood part to balance the front BBK: (note, I update the part number for the Wilwood since I just found a better fitting parts, here it is: For the Hat: http://www.wilwood.com/Search/PartNo...temno=170-6288 Rotor material Super Alloy: http://www.wilwood.com/Rotors/RotorP...emno=160-12155 Rotor material Iron: http://www.wilwood.com/Search/PartNo...temno=160-1601 Bolt for mounting Rotor on the Hat: http://www.wilwood.com/Search/PartNo...30-8390&vpnf=1 Hubcentric Adapter, Rotor Registration Ring, 2.438 inches Axle Register Internal Diameter (I am not sure whether this hub-centric ring will be perfect fit or not, but since it is cheap, might as well try it) http://www.wilwood.com/Search/PartNo...0-12761&vpnf=1 (the part number are the last 8 digit on the web link above, but sometimes wilwood website that show this part seems to be down because of error)... |
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Originally Posted by cjecpa
(Post 1178703)
Would early Miata kits work 4x100?
http://www.mazdatalkforum.com/download/file.php?id=698 MIATA BIG BRAKE KIT, Version 4 OUR BEST FOUR WHEEL KIT with Forged Four Piston Calipers for Miata 1994-2002 if it is then it might work. The key for the rotor to work with stock Fit RS rear caliper is the rotor thickness must be between 8mm to 9mm, then if you don't want to remove the rear backing plate, the offset of the rotor better be less then 18.7mm and the rotor hat thickness better be less then 6mm. so total of offset and rotor hat thickness will be around 24.7mm or 25mm give or take. from the picture the mazda miata rotor look like it have total offset and rotor hat thickness of less then 25mm so i think this might work. of course you can always make it work with rotor that had deeper offset but you got to remove the rear hub in order to be able to remove the backing plate. the pcd is already 4x100 on this rotor, but the centerhub might be smaller then Honda's 61mm center hub (for the rotor not the wheel), but you can always machine the diameter larger... so this is not a problem too... the only problem is, will the vendor sell this rotor and hat only, or they require you to buy the complete kit? and what is the price? the wilwood rotor and hat combo can be bought ala carte, and they might even getaway without using the centering hubcentric ring because on the wilwood hat, it already have holes for 2 mounting bolt that should center the rotor ala Honda OEM rotor ! although me personally will still machine a hubcentric ring just to be sure :) here is the wilwood hat pictures: http://www.wilwood.com/Images/HATS/H...t-4lug-med.jpghttp://www.wilwood.com/Images/HATS/H...lt-4lug-lg.jpg |
That rotor looks to be a Disc Brake Australia piece, so definitely can buy just the rotor and/or top hat separately or as 1 unit with both pieces already together.
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Last Week I apply the Primer Coat VHT Paint to the Caliper and Rotor (face), (VHT Paint Code SP118 Flat White Primer)
and since the instruction said to wait for 7 days for paint to cure, that is why I only bake it in oven today. Here are the pictures after I bake it in the oven: Attachment 19680 Then I wash them, clean them and dry them, then I paint the caliper YELLOW :nod: (VHT Paint Code SP738 Bright Yellow) Here are the pictures: Attachment 19681 For the Rotor Face, I paint them Aluminum color (VHT Paint Code SP735 Cast Aluminum), but I need to paint the rear face of the rotor tomorrow since I had to flip it, and I cannot do it now since it will ruin the front face paint... (don't have room/place to hang them with coat hanger)... after this, I will wait another 7 days to cure and then bake them again in the oven, then I will apply clear coat to the caliper only, and wait another 7 days and bake them again... still long long way to go :) I don't think I will use this rear rotor though cause I plan to install a larger 2 piece 11.44in diameter Wilwood rotor, but since I already bought the paint, so I had to use it anyway, otherwise it will be a waste... here are the rear rotors: Attachment 19682 |
Paint is looking good. It will be hard to miss the conversion in this color. :p
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Originally Posted by loudbang
(Post 1180463)
Paint is looking good. It will be hard to miss the conversion in this color. :p
hehehe, that's the point of the yellow color :) the long story: as you know I was also interested in the 8 piston Audi RS5 caliper, and the RS5 caliper had the "RS" emblem with some Square part of it in Red Color, http://www.audizine.com/classifieds/data/78/11.JPG at first I want to paint my rear brake caliper Red, but if I paint it red then if I buy the Audi RS5 caliper, and paint the Audi RS5 in matching Red, the Red "square" part of the "RS" emblem will blend/disappear with the background Red Color. (yes I don't like the Black overall color of the RS5 caliper and want to paint it either Red, Yellow)... so I figure if I paint the Audi RS5 caliper in Yellow, then the Red Square part of the RS emblem will still show up since it is Red emblem against Yellow overall color, that is why I end up buying the Yellow paint... but after some thought,now I think that I should not buy the RS5 caliper, because the RS5 caliper is for 34mm thick rotor and I think a 32mm thick rotor of the Subaru BR-Z Brembo GT Turismo kit will be better for Honda Fit since it is lighter and narrower... Beside the 6 piston Brembo Caliper from the Subaru BR-Z kit is actually larger in overall size compare to the 8 piston Audi RS5 caliper !!! plus the 6 piston design should be easier on our Honda Fit master cylinder... (hopefully, otherwise I had to find a bigger master cylinder)... Since I don't want to waste the yellow paint that I had bought, so I will stick with Yellow now instead of red... and when I buy the Subaru BR-Z Brembo GT Turismo kit, I will buy the kit with the Brembo caliper with the yellow color... I know, complicated story hahaha... but it is even more complicated to allocate the budget to buy the Subaru BR-Z Brembo GT Turismo kit hahaha :) still don't know when... oh well... |
Why not just go with the Spoon's?
http://www.spoonsportseurope.net/med...20-dcr-g00.jpg Functional & lightweight... Plus they will match when you get your Bilsteins, with the blue. So will the yellow on your rear calipers... Nice job, btw. :thumbups: |
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Originally Posted by FitStir
(Post 1180631)
Why not just go with the Spoon's?
http://www.spoonsportseurope.net/med...20-dcr-g00.jpg Functional & lightweight... Plus they will match when you get your Bilsteins, with the blue. So will the yellow on your rear calipers... Nice job, btw. :thumbups: Those spoon caliper are very small in size, remember, I am doing all this just for looks, I don't mind "heavyweight" and "slow" car hahaha :) The Spoon Caliper also will NOT accommodate a 355mm rotor, I don't even think it will accommodate a 328mm rotor..., so the rotor diameter will be small and I want the largest rotor that I can fit on my 18in wheel to fill up the spokes. That is the reason why I choose my wheel cause the spokes is thin and it will show the large rotor and brake caliper :) some 18in wheel can accommodate a 380mm rotor but none of them available in 4x100pcd and I don't want to change my hub, and 19in wheel is too big (visually) for my car and not look proper, so for 18in wheel, 355mm rotor (or max 365 rotor) is the best combo. Few weeks ago, there is someone who wants to sell a Brand New Brembo GT Turismo Kit for Acura Integra NON type R (which will fit bolt on to Honda Fit Front Wheel). I almost bought this kit because he want to sell it for just $1,800 brand new !!! and he have this pictures of comparing the Spoon Caliper to Acura Caliper (the Acura Caliper is the same size as the Brembo Caliper that he was trying to sell), and it really show how small the spoon caliper is. And I also realize that the Acura Caliper is also still small for an 18in wheel..., so I decided not buying that kit for Acura Integra and start doing my own research. Attachment 19658 Attachment 19659 Now here is a pictures of Car with 18in wheel and FRONT 355mm Brembo Rotor with 6 piston Caliper: http://lh4.ggpht.com/_I_8SJ4T_OBQ/TE...52/Kimo-91.JPG http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z...g?t=1296684188 The Acura/Brembo 4 piston Caliper is only about HALF the length of the 6 piston Brembo Caliper, and the Spoon Caliper is even smaller then the Acura/Brembo with 4 Caliper... Ok, now check the REAR Caliper of the 2 pictures of BMW BELOW, again the REAR, and That REAR Brembo Caliper is still larger than the Spoon Caliper, so you can imagine how small the spoon caliper is. Also the front red caliper on the BMW picture below is also the 6 piston caliper that I like and it is inside an 18in wheel too. Attachment 19660 Attachment 19661 |
I am pretty sure this Honda have 18in wheel with around 355/365mm rotor and 6 piston AP Racing Front Caliper, and you can see it looks nice too :)
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf7c8a580.jpg http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...psd55afc80.jpghttp://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps5c43970a.jpg |
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So go with the bigger Spoon calipers?
Attachment 19657 ^That's on an NSX. :D Spoon caliper install I only posted twinblocks since those have been done on Fit's with relatively little modification (just new rotors & 3mm spacer). The Spoon's above I believe will fit up to 320mm (from what I've found on the webz). Comparison shot below. Spoon Twinblock Vs. Monoblock - EK9.org JDM EK9 Honda Civic Type R Forum http://www.team-blend.net/jacksonphoto/mfvegas17.jpg Those giant BBK's look great, but overkill on the Fit. Atleast you'll be able to stop on a dime. :vtec: |
Thanks,
I never knew there are larger spoon caliper, but even the larger spoon caliper is still small compare to the Brembo 6 piston caliper. and if I want just 320mm rotor, the Brembo GT Turismo kit for Acura Integra NON Type R is readily available without any modification needed for our Honda Fit. The price for Brembo GT Turismo GT kit for Acura Integra NON Type R is only around $2,500 brand new including floating hat, rotor, bracket, Goodridge brake line and of course the 4 piston Brembo caliper about the size of that larger spoon caliper. If I am not mistaken those Spoon caliper alone cost at least $1,800 right? in fact the guy who want to sell the Acura Integra Brembo kit (open box condition but brand new) only want $1,800 for the entire kit that he had... but since I had decided that I want to put as large caliper and as large rotor, I had to buy a Brembo kit with 355mm rotor and 6 piston caliper. This kit should cost around $3,200 including all the hat, and rotor, so it is still a good price from Brembo. Yes, Stoptech is cheaper, and AP racing is about the same price as Brembo, but I want my caliper to have "Brembo" name on it :) real Brembo (not plastic cover brembo of course hahaha)... and a Spoon is NOT a Brembo :) Spoon (Nissin and made in Japan) is nice and expensive, but it is smaller and it is NOT an "Italian" Brembo :) you know, like Kia/Hyundai which is a nice and good quality car but is still NOT a Honda :) heck, come to think of it, even some Hyundai I think have Brembo as factory standard brakes... I think my Honda Fit deserve nicer shoe "accessories" (if you can imagine your wheel as shoe for the car, then the brake is like the shoe accessories hahaha :) |
Originally Posted by BMW ALPINA
(Post 1180665)
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If I am not mistaken those Spoon caliper alone cost at least $1,800 right?
Originally Posted by BMW ALPINA
(Post 1180665)
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. . but I want my caliper to have "Brembo" name on it :) real Brembo (not plastic cover brembo of course hahaha)... and a Spoon is NOT a Brembo :) Spoon (Nissin and made in Japan) is nice and expensive, but it is smaller and it is NOT an "Italian" Brembo :)
Originally Posted by BMW ALPINA
(Post 1180665)
you know,
like Kia/Hyundai which is a car but is still NOT a Honda :) |
The main reason to go with the Spoon calipers does not seem to apply for BMW ALPINA
Originally Posted by BMW ALPINA
(Post 1180655)
Hi Fitstir,
Those spoon caliper are very small in size, remember, I am doing all this just for looks, I don't mind "heavyweight" and "slow" car hahaha :) See though, I DO need lite weight and the ability to still run a 15" wheel. In the future, if I am looking to eek out even more and stay in my current class, I will go with the Spoon twin block setup. Not because it will provide even "better" braking, but because it should save 2-3 pounds of un sprung weight :thumbups: Where can I get twin blocks for $1300 :eek3: |
Originally Posted by TPColgett
(Post 1180689)
The main reason to go with the Spoon calipers does not seem to apply for BMW ALPINA
:p And to fill up all that space behind an 18", I guess only a 6 pot will do... See though, I DO need lite weight and the ability to still run a 15" wheel. In the future, if I am looking to eek out even more and stay in my current class, I will go with the Spoon twin block setup. Not because it will provide even "better" braking, but because it should save 2-3 pounds of un sprung weight :thumbups: Where can I get twin blocks for $1300 :eek3: for your application, do you ever consider buying a Wilwood 2 piece Aluminum Hat and Steel Rotor combo? Like this combo for example: Wilwood High-Performance Disc Brakes - Hat No: 170-6288 (1.4lbs) with 12 in ventilated front rotor: Wilwood High-Performance Disc Brakes - Rotor No: 160-12287 (9lbs) The combine weight with the rotor/hat mounting bolt will most likely still LESS than 11 pounds per side and you will have 12in rotor size which should still fit inside 15 in wheel,... right? the price for both of them (LEFT AND RIGHT) with their mounting bolt will only be around $400. summitracing sell them at cheaper price compare to wilwood direct price. of course you still need to make a bracket for your caliper, and the bracket might add about 1lbs per side so total now will became 12lbs... they also have slightly smaller then 12in rotors too... if you want even less weight... remember the rotor is the ROTATING mass while the caliper is fixed mass, so I think this rotating mass will be felt more then the fixed mass (just like adding more weight to flywheel)... what is the weight of the stock Honda Fit all steel front rotor anyway? is it less or more than 12lbs ? |
Thanks for the ideas!
I can't find it right now, but some one did a whole spreadsheet in one of the " DIY ITR Brakes" threads that compared the weights of all the options and that showed the Spoon's being lighter. I have looked at the Wilwood option, but as you said, it adds a bit more weight per side (I think its 3-4 pounds heavier but I cant find the spreadsheet thread but I'll use 1 pound as an example). VERY VERY VERY ROUGH MATH puts 1 pound of unsprung weight = to about 7 pounds of sprung weight. The extra "14" pounds is not worth it at all for me. I don't need to do a ton of braking in AutoX in the first place LOL. IF I truly can save 2 pounds per side with the Spoon twin blocks, that - "28" pounds would begin to be worth it. On a 60 sec AutoX course, (Again VERY VERY VERY ROUGH MATH) 100 pounds of weight reduction is usually worth 0.1 in a low power car like the Fit. Also, there are really only a few class legal ways to cut weight, and this is one of them :D |
Cant wait to see ur front brakes
SHOWCAR NOT RACE CAR |
Originally Posted by FitStir
(Post 1180688)
Brand new sets go for ~$1100 US before shipping & forwarding fees on rakuten. With the $ being stronger, the deals on JDM stuff is better. Even from a US distributor ~$1300 and up.
Hehehe.. can't argue with that... The Spoons are also lighter the smaller twinblocks are 2.4kg's and the bigger monoblocks are 2.6kgs. Fixed it for ya...;) You can get a BRAND NEW PAIR of Brembo 6 Piston caliper for Porsche Cayenne Turbo Caliper (which I can use too if I have too) for just $1,129 and FREE Shipping too http://www.ebay.com/itm/290882743582...84.m1436.l2649 the problem with this Porsche caliper is they are NOT radially mounted, so the bracket will be a bit more complicated compare if I use the Brembo Caliper with radially mounted type... and they require 34mm width rotor, while I prefer 32mm weight rotor if possible... The Brembo 6 piston caliper for Subaru BR-Z that I want to buy weight between 7lbs to 7.6lbs or around 3kg to 3.4kg max... so compare to Spoon larger caliper, the weight differences is less then 1 kg... while the Brembo is almost double in sizes... of course for racing every bit of weight count,... and 1 kg different in unsprung weight is quite substantial for racing purposes... I have not check the weight of the Brembo 4 piston caliper that is comparable in size to the spoon caliper though... so I have no direct comparison between Spoon 4 piston vs Brembo 4 piston... |
Originally Posted by TPColgett
(Post 1180689)
The main reason to go with the Spoon calipers does not seem to apply for BMW ALPINA
Originally Posted by TPColgett
(Post 1180689)
:p And to fill up all that space behind an 18", I guess only a 6 pot will do...
Originally Posted by TPColgett
(Post 1180689)
.... I will go with the Spoon twin block setup. Not because it will provide even "better" braking, but because it should save 2-3 pounds of un sprung weight :thumbups:
Originally Posted by TPColgett
(Post 1180689)
Where can I get twin blocks for $1300 :eek3:
SPOON Twin-Block Caliper Set Integra DB8 DC2 Civic EK9 Shopping Cart total w/ shipping $ 1,308.82 Spoon - Twin-Block Caliper Set - Nengun Performance Also Rakuten: spoon 45020-DCR-G00 - Shopping Japanese products from Japan ~$1100 before shipping & forwarding fees. |
Originally Posted by Wafulz
(Post 1180701)
Cant wait to see ur front brakes
SHOWCAR NOT RACE CAR Me too, I can't wait too, but my budget said I should wait, and my budget also whispered "be prepared for a long long wait" hahaha :) but definetely, as soon as I have free budget, I will do this, (after suspension of course, don't want my car bumper to kiss the asphalt (exaggeration) because the front stock suspension is too soft when I brake with this kind of braking power, not to mention the rear tire will lift off too and that is not good... so suspension with stiffer spring and lowered height is a must before I can have this front brake modification)... the rear one... (wilwood rotor and hat) that I might be able to do first, in fact I want to do this sooner while my rear axle is still outside the car... so I can design the bracket for the caliper easier... but I might not install it until I have the front brake too, cause it will upset the braking balance with the smaller stock front brake... I also start thinking of how I can change the front brake master cylinder... J's racing sold a larger master cylinder for JDM Fit RS, but their outlet direction is different since they have the master cylinder on the right side (vs left on ours). a 2010 USDM CRV master cylinder is the closest spec that I could find (mounting spec) and have larger diameter master cylinder then our fit, but again it have different direction for the outlet... if any of you have any idea which larger master cylinder can bolt on to our Honda Fit (preferably 1 inch master cylinder), please kindly tell me. Thanks :) |
Originally Posted by TPColgett
(Post 1180699)
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I can't find it right now, but some one did a whole spreadsheet in one of the " DIY ITR Brakes" threads that compared the weights of all the options and that showed the Spoon's being lighter....
Originally Posted by Jodele
(Post 715180)
OK...this is an update to what we know for the Type-R front disc brake installation
https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/pict...pictureid=1524 If anybody has some information we can add to this list, please don't hesitate to post here. Since for you it's more practical... here's a thread that lists some 15" wheels that are compatible with the Spoon calipers (reply #12 ) ---> https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/sale...-eg-ek-gd.html
Originally Posted by Wafulz
(Post 1180701)
Cant wait to see ur front brakes
SHOWCAR NOT RACE CAR |
Wow based on the list above,
even a 6 piston Brembo Caliper is still LIGHTER then a stock Honda Fit Brake Caliper ???!!! I am really surprised... so "ahem", I am saving weight after all hahaha (you know, self defending my show car mods hahaha)... although I am pretty sure the larger 355mm 2 piece Brembo rotor will still weight much more then our current 1 piece stock rotors, at least 6 lbs more per rotor... |
Originally Posted by FitStir
(Post 1180710)
Here ya go.
The main reason as mentioned for the Spoons is weight reduction... also a little big of eye candy. Since for you it's more practical... here's a thread that lists some 15" wheels that are compatible with the Spoon calipers (reply #12 ) ---> https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/sale...-eg-ek-gd.html :yeahthat: :thumbups: :thumbups: :thumbups: Hmm... I need to re read my rules to see if I can even uses spacers... at least the 3mm behind the rotor SHOULD be OK... Trying to add additional spacers to get my wheels to clear (15x7.5 +32 Rega/Sw388 knock off's or 15x7.5 +42 949 6UL) MIGHT not be allowed.... |
Originally Posted by TPColgett
(Post 1180718)
:yeahthat: This will be one SWEET show car for sure!
Hmm... I need to re read my rules to see if I can even uses spacers... at least the 3mm behind the rotor SHOULD be OK... Trying to add additional spacers to get my wheels to clear (15x7.5 +32 Rega/Sw388 knock off's or 15x7.5 +42 949 6UL) MIGHT not be allowed.... if they allow you, then you can Put your spacer BEHIND the rotor (paint the spacer black if you need too), and nobody will notice it... shhhhh :) |
Originally Posted by BMW ALPINA
(Post 1180720)
Are you allowed to use longer stud? or open style lug nut?
if they allow you, then you can Put your spacer BEHIND the rotor (paint the spacer black if you need too), and nobody will notice it... shhhhh :) I hold myself accountable though, nothing fishy on my car! If I can't win by the rules then cant call it a win :nod: But, my silliness is beginning to clutter your thread! :offtopic: |
Originally Posted by TPColgett
(Post 1180722)
Haha, yea I can and DO run both already. CHEAP insurance is how I look at it.
I hold myself accountable though, nothing fishy on my car! If I can't win by the rules then cant call it a win :nod: But, my silliness is beginning to clutter your thread! :offtopic: your post is still related and relevant to this thread, please post more cause I really learn a lot from you about brakes and suspension :) I do notice that this fitfreak forum is much more quiet compare to other car forum... but long time ago when it was still GD time, this forum seemed to be more alive... I wonder will the next generation Fit (GE replacement) can bring live back into this forum... or not... and came to think about it, will the next Fit have rear disk brakes as standard or not... |
Tyler Help me with my alignment set up :)
i love it it is quite here now : / but im still here alwasy will bee dnt plan on getting rid of the fit till 5 years from now mayyyyybeee i already source a tranny out to :) for my AT lol |
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