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Originally Posted by gd3.fit@gmail.com
(Post 1283945)
On both my previous Integra and Civic I went the cheaper OEM DIY big brake kit for front and rear. It was absolutely great and it's something I plan on doing come Spring to my Fit. What's nice about using USDM OEM parts is because the parts are cheap and easy to come across. I just need to find the right length ebrake cable and caliper brackets and I'm good to go.
For the front use Integra Type R calipers with Mini Cooper rotors. For the rear use RSX Type S rear calipers and EP3 rotors. I ordered my "kits" from ProParts on both previous occasions: ProParts USA Integra Brake Kit Upgrade - ProParts USA - Low Price Performance Aftermarket Car Accessories - Brakes | Shocks | Springs | Intakes and More! Rear Rotor with slotted pattern "copying" Brembo type 3 so it will match the front rotor (someday when I finally have the budget to do the front Brembo conversion) :) Here are some of the pictures (notice the size of the rotor): Attachment 12835 Attachment 12836 Picture comparing the diameter of the custom 12in rear rotor against the stock 9.4in rear rotor of JDM Fit RS: Attachment 12837 |
The next step will be the 5 lug conversion.
I know Kuo's garage make a conversion kit, but their bearing is NOT OEM bearing, I worry if someday I need new bearing, it would be hard to find replacement if it is not OEM... so I am going to go OEM route using Honda CR-Z Rear Hub/Bearing and Front Hub/Bearing. I will also need much bigger wheel to fit the "planned" 380mm front rotor, my current 18in wheel would not fit, I need 19in and I need to finish all this conversion asap, at least in about 5,000 miles from now since my Michelin Pilot Super Sports tire are worn out and probably only have 5,000 miles in life... I already bought 1 wheel for Fitment purpose (custom rotor hat, and caliper bracket), it is the Honda Accord HFP 19in wheel. I choose these wheel because I really like the OEM Honda Look: http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf2fdc4a1.jpg |
Originally Posted by BMW ALPINA
(Post 1283956)
I already had a custom made 12in Diameter
Rear Rotor with slotted pattern "copying" Brembo type 3 so it will match the front rotor (someday when I finally have the budget to do the front Brembo conversion) :) Here are some of the pictures (notice the size of the rotor): Picture comparing the diameter of the custom 12in rear rotor against the stock 9.4in rear rotor of JDM Fit RS: |
Alpina, dont get me wrong, a bigass rotor with an even bigger caliper is a thing of beauty, but I come from function>form
I understand it is important to have a one-off car, but just keep in mind, the Fit does not in any way require the brakes of a car twice its weight and have 4 times the power lol That said, it is your car and I respect your decision to do whatever you want as it is indeed YOUR car and not mine. PS if you get a 6 piston caliper on the Fit, you best take some damn pictures, that crap would look beautiful! |
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My JDM Honda Civic FD2 Type R Brake Master Cylinder arrived today,
UNFORTUNATELY... they use a 13/16in Master Cylinder, although they are a bit improvement against our standard 3/4in master cylinder but they are NOT a 1in Master Cylinder as I had expected it to be... so... this is NOT good... Most likely I need to buy J's Racing Master Cylinder... Here are the pictures: Attachment 12664 Attachment 12665 Attachment 12666 |
Originally Posted by BMW ALPINA
(Post 1286443)
My JDM Honda Civic FD2 Type R Brake Master Cylinder arrived today,
UNFORTUNATELY... they use a 13/16in Master Cylinder, although they are a bit improvement against our standard 3/4in master cylinder but they are NOT a 1in Master Cylinder as I had expected it to be... so... this is NOT good... Most likely I need to buy J's Racing Master Cylinder... |
Originally Posted by gd3.fit@gmail.com
(Post 1286469)
Man that sucks. The Integra/RSX master cylinder was 15/16. I know the Accord Crosstour/TL/RL master cylinder is 1 inch bore. OEM Honda and something you can get stateside easily, even re-manufactured.
and those Master Cylinder from other Honda, either have different mounting bolt pattern to the brake booster, or different stroke length or different outlet diameter. Even the Pre VSA Honda Fit GE and the VSA Honda Fit GE had different outlet diameter. Since the J's Racing Master Cylinder and the Honda Civic Type R FD2 look similar, I thought they are both the same thing. but Thanks for the info, I will try to look into the car you mention above, maybe I am lucky and can get it from the car you mention above. Thanks again :) |
Ok,
I found the solution, it will be Honda CR-V year 2005-2006 with VSA Brake Master Cylinder ! It have 1in brake master cylinder with 12mm x 1mm BBL Outlet and dual reservoir input, plus the flange bolt pattern is correct too. the only thing different is the Push Rod Depth on the CR-Z is 2.42" and the Fit is 2.25" which mean 0.17in or 4.3mm different,... I think I can compensate this on the brake pedal push rood setting... hopefully... of course I had to modify the brake line arrangement too, but this is not a problem, I am prepared for doing this on the JDM Civic FD2 type R anyway, even the J's racing master cylinder (JDM Fit) are different in brake line arrangement... The Part Number for the CR-V Brake Master Cylinder are 46100-S9A-A62 !!! Here are the Centric Equivalent Part# 130.40061 for the CR-V http://centriccatalog.com/part_image...61_Catalog.jpg and here are the Centric Equivalent Part# 130.40077 for USDM Honda Fit GE: http://centriccatalog.com/part_image...77_Catalog.jpg |
Originally Posted by BMW ALPINA
(Post 1286537)
Ok,
I found the solution, it will be Honda CR-V year 2005-2006 with VSA Brake Master Cylinder ! It have 1in brake master cylinder with 12mm x 1mm BBL Outlet and dual reservoir input, plus the flange bolt pattern is correct too. the only thing different is the Push Rod Depth on the CR-Z is 2.42" and the Fit is 2.25" which mean 0.17in or 4.3mm different,... I think I can compensate this on the brake pedal push rood setting... hopefully... of course I had to modify the brake line arrangement too, but this is not a problem, I am prepared for doing this on the JDM Civic FD2 type R anyway, even the J's racing master cylinder (JDM Fit) are different in brake line arrangement... The Part Number for the CR-V Brake Master Cylinder are 46100-S9A-A62 !!! |
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Moving forward with this project (very slowly hahaha)...
I took out the rear hub/bearing assembly to change the wheel stud with ARP longer wheel stud. Here is the pictures of the hub assy with standard wheel stud: Attachment 11330 I put the hub on vise (correctly position so no surface touch the bearing), then I hammer out the old stud from the hub. To install longer ARP wheel stud, I need to use the bolt as spacer, before the wheel stud installer tool: by the way, notice the hub assy below are much cleaner then the pictures above, cause I use steel wire to clean the rust... Attachment 11331 Attachment 11332 Then put the stud installer tool on top of the spacer bolt: Attachment 11333 and last, put an open ended nut to drive the stud in: Attachment 11334 Oh, don't forget to use Anti Seize on the area where the stud touch the hub. and last, drive the nut using Impact Tools: Attachment 11335 I am planning to buy the JDM Integra DC5 Type R "RED" Caliper asap so I can finish this rear axle conversion... hopefully within the next few months :rotfl: |
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Another part arrive today,
I ordered an EBC Brake Pads for Integra Type R (DC5) rear caliper, (EBC Brakes DP21193 Greenstuff 2000 Series Sport Brake Pad) just to make sure it fit my custom rotor (swept area)... and turn out it is perfect. Here is the link to Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ilpage_o00_s01 Attachment 11156 Attachment 11157 |
OP. Nice. +++++++
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My Blue Point (Snap On) Safety Wire Twister Tools also arrive today,
I am going to use this tool to wire the Safety Wire on my Wilwood Rotor Hat Bolt I plan to buy the safety wire tonight, hopefully early next month I can order the JDM Integra DC5 Type R rear caliper so I can finish this conversion once and for all :) Attachment 10839 Attachment 10840 |
Speaking of a DC5 I just tossed out all of the reaming parts I had for in to the recycle pile. still might have a DC5 caliper Type-R one if you need it or any other Jdm parts :)
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Originally Posted by racer986jec
(Post 1315805)
Speaking of a DC5 I just tossed out all of the reaming parts I had for in to the recycle pile. still might have a DC5 caliper Type-R one if you need it or any other Jdm parts :)
Thanks for your offer, but I plan to buy a new rear caliper simply because it came painted RED from Honda, so I don't have to repaint it again... if I buy used one most likely it had scratch... or I need to rebuild the seal... and that require me to buy special tools to rebuild the seal so it will end up costing more :) |
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bookmarked. I need to read through this entire thing. I want to do the RS rear disc conversion myself cause the Fit brake pedal is so squishy!!!!!!!!
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Yesterday, I was about to install back the rear hub onto the rear axle,
take notice the rear hub now have the longer and stronger ARP stud, but then I see that I need to install the MODIFIED Rear Splash Guard first because I need it (at least the center bowl part) to protect the rear speed sensor: https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fit...5d652e619d.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fit...64add6829f.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fit...871c024fa4.jpg on this pictures you will see the speed sensor protrude on the top of the bearing... and it is UNPROTECTED unless I install the bowl part of the splash guard: https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fit...f3ad47480b.jpg so I need to drill the tack weld to separate the 2 piece splash guard: https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fit...937224e3d4.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fit...3cd34b73dd.jpg then I found out that it had rust on the back side of the bowl, so I decide to paint it. first sanded it, then primer paint then top coat: https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fit...ff2ef58a0f.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fit...c58b5c5d3c.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fit...96ee12bc9d.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fit...a691de5d16.jpg the pictures above is after painting, it look black, the above pictures looks like it still have rust but it is just reflection since the paint is not dry yet and very shiny. later I will paint the inside area of the bowl too... |
Originally Posted by BMW ALPINA
(Post 1177376)
My JDM RS Rear Axle with Disk Brake just arrive about an hour ago.
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Originally Posted by Kenny Hai-Au Ho
(Post 1323478)
So its looks like we both came from the bmw froums :p and so far it looks like we have similar taste! I need info on where your getting your parts >.
I got those rear axle from Japan, my friend who used to do business there imported it for me. but I don't think he is doing that business in Japan anymore. You can always buy the CR-Z rear axle here but you have to change to 5 bolt wheel pattern... or you can buy this parts from JapanParts.com as brand new OEM Honda Parts but it will be quite expensive including shipping :) |
Originally Posted by BMW ALPINA
(Post 1323480)
Hello Kenny,
I got those rear axle from Japan, my friend who used to do business there imported it for me. but I don't think he is doing that business in Japan anymore. You can always buy the CR-Z rear axle here but you have to change to 5 bolt wheel pattern... or you can buy this parts from JapanParts.com as brand new OEM Honda Parts but it will be quite expensive including shipping :) |
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Install the Modified Splash Guard and tightening the bolt using Loctite
and Torque Wrench: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413575 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413575 Insert the hub with the longer ARP stud (and stronger too :) ), and tightening with Torque Wrench, after that lock it by hammering with chisel and hammer: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413575 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413575 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413575 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413575 Hammer in the Hub Caps: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413575 |
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Assemble the rotor onto the Wilwood Hat for test fit of the
new JDM Integra DC5 Type R rear caliper: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413807 Install the centering ring and the rotor/hat assembly to the hub: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413807 Tighten the rotor screw: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413807 Test Fit the 15mm H&R Spacer that just arrived :) https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413807 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413807 Install the EBC brake pads into the caliper: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413807 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413807 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413807 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413807 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413807 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413807 |
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Test fit the whole caliper assembly onto the rotor
and found problem with fitting... the Caliper Bracket is too long so the pads do not properly cover all the rotor, and the bracket hit the rotor/hat bolt....... Looks like I need to get Integra GSR Rotor and New Brake Pads too... oh well... more stuff to buy ... https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413904 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413904 |
The Integra GSR Caliper Bracket do NOT fit at all with this JDM Brake Caliper,...
perhaps because this JDM Brake Integra Type R caliper is bigger in housing size compare to the USDM Integra Type R caliper, so I return the Integra GSR caliper bracket and brake pad to Amazon... I figure the solution for this is to force fit the current JDM Brake Caliper/Bracket which mean only about 70% of the pads will touch the brake disk rotor, and as soon as this custom brake disk rotor run out, I will order an even larger custom brake disk rotor that will then fit perfectly... and I think will look even better since it will be a bigger rotor too... well, I just finished with measuring the custom brake caliper "extra" bracket and ordering it, if somehow after I install I feel the brake is not working properly,then I can just throw away this current custom rotor and upgrade to the larger custom rotor by then... |
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My New LARGER Custom Rear Disc Brake Rotor by Coleman Racing finally arrived today.
It is now 13in in diameter, so not only the brake pads will have full swept area, it will also look more balance with my 355mm Brembo Front rotor. This is the last part that I need to install my JDM RS Rear Axle conversion, Hopefully I can finish the conversion this weekend :) The pictures below will show the comparison between my older smaller rotor to this new larger one: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1454558481 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1454558481 |
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I haven't had time to install everything,
but I manage to make progress: I install the new larger disc rotor to the Wilwood hat. I use torque wrench at 25lb-ft as advise by Wilwood, Use high strength RED Loctite, and then use the safety wire with the tools to spin the wire. here are the pictures: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1455162714 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1455162714 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1455162714 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1455162714 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1455162714 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1455162836 |
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Originally Posted by BMW ALPINA
(Post 1324058)
Test fit the whole caliper assembly onto the rotor
and found problem with fitting... the Caliper Bracket is too long so the pads do not properly cover all the rotor, and the bracket hit the rotor/hat bolt....... Looks like I need to get Integra GSR Rotor and New Brake Pads too... oh well... more stuff to buy ... https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413904 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1445413904 Much respect due for your awesome work. I just have a quick question for you in regards to rotors. I have a ge8 and would like to confirm with you if possible if the crx rear rotors and civic fronts will fit the stock JDM model? Appreciate your help. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1455408530 |
Originally Posted by 345ge8RS5mt
(Post 1335851)
Hello BMW Alpina,
Much respect due for your awesome work. I just have a quick question for you in regards to rotors. I have a ge8 and would like to confirm with you if possible if the crx rear rotors and civic fronts will fit the stock JDM model? Appreciate your help. I don't really know much about the Civic Fronts and CRX rear rotors. because I have never do any research about larger front brake using Civic fronts, plus I no longer have the stock rear JDM Honda Fit rotor so I don't know the measurement of the stork rear JDM Honda fit anymore... but as long as those rotor have 4x100 PCD bolt hole pattern, they should fit, all you have to do is adjust the brake caliper bracket or make a custom brake caliper bracket |
Originally Posted by BMW ALPINA
(Post 1335891)
Hello,
I don't really know much about the Civic Fronts and CRX rear rotors. because I have never do any research about larger front brake using Civic fronts, plus I no longer have the stock rear JDM Honda Fit rotor so I don't know the measurement of the stork rear JDM Honda fit anymore... but as long as those rotor have 4x100 PCD bolt hole pattern, they should fit, all you have to do is adjust the brake caliper bracket or make a custom brake caliper bracket I'll try..thanks again! |
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So with the pictures above,
I finally closed my journey from April 2013 :) The car now more stable, due to wider stance from the spacer (15mm spacer), The Spoon Rigid Collar and the filled bushing reduce the bushing side to side flex, so the rear axle tracked more true... The brake are easier to modulate LESS NOSE DIVE under braking due to better rear brake bias, which make the car stop faster because the ABS do not activate too early, and the rear also do more braking than with the drum brakes, Pedal feel also much improved... and I think My JDM RS Rear Axle with aluminum caliper from DC5 Integra type R with 2 piece rotor (wilwood aluminum hat combo) are actually lighter than the USDM drum brakes one... I am happy to finally close the chapter on this modification with good result :) |
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I decide to paint the JDM Integra Type R Caliper to yellow from it's original red to match the front caliper. I also paint the caliper bracket that was silver to yellow so the caliper would look larger from a distance :D
I also paint parts of the disk brake (rotors) that do not come in touch with the pads and rusting with black high temp paint. The original color of Red Caliper with Silver Bracket, green EBC pads and rusting braking rotors/disk brake: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1462814763 Protect the Car Paint with newspaper and also masked the area to paint the rusting disk brake/rotors: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1462814763 https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1462814763 Clean the area I am going to paint with Brake Cleaner (Acetone): https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1462814763 Primer High Temp Paint for the rusting disk brake/rotor: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1462814763 Painted with Primer: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1462814763 Black High Temp ready to be applied about 1 hour after the primer: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1462814763 Rotor/Disk Brake painted so no longer show any rusting parts, I know the black paint is not really round/perfect circle, but it will become perfect circle as soon as I use this brake:) https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1462814763 Time to paint the Caliper: Here are the paints kit, it came with Paint, another can of brake cleaner/acetone, hardener/catalyst for paint, brush and plenty of instruction: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1462814763 Pour the catalyst/hardener to the paint: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1462814763 Mixed for 2 minutes, let it react for 5 minutes and mixed it again: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1462814763 I am not very perfect with brush hahaha :o, but amazingly this paint have some kind of self elastic features that after a while it become even by it self: https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1462814763 Wait for 2 hours after painting before install the wheel according to the instruction... well I decide to wait longer and just install the wheel back:), I like the looks because now I have both yellow on all four corners :D https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/atta...ine=1462814763 |
looks good!
That G2 caliper paint is the best. Its expensive ($40?) but, it is very hard chemical resistant and color won't fade. Can still chip if you hit it with the wheel good, but still not as bad as any 1 part paint. Does that wire tool cost much? I need to wire up my wilwoods in the front and the new discs I got from you to the wilwood hats. |
Originally Posted by slimchriz
(Post 1344238)
looks good!
That G2 caliper paint is the best. Its expensive ($40?) but, it is very hard chemical resistant and color won't fade. Can still chip if you hit it with the wheel good, but still not as bad as any 1 part paint. Does that wire tool cost much? I need to wire up my wilwoods in the front and the new discs I got from you to the wilwood hats. I bought the tools from eBay: Blue Point Safety Wire Twister #WTRW6A The seller was selling an overstock but it is a brand new condition. I bought it for just $76, so I am lucky... I saw 2 seller on eBay now trying to sell it for around $127 to $140 (or best offer). |
wow! May have to do by hand.
Next time I take a lesuirly drive through the neighborhood maybe I can borrow it. Your only about 3000 miles away after all, we're practically nieghbors! How was the rigid colar instal? I have to do start looking at my bushings and all the stock rubber suspension bits. Feeling a bit to much slop for my liking. |
:) Lot of work there! Lots of detail.. Great writeup.
More tips,,, FYI in general you only need about 1 gram of anti seize on a lug, its not recommended at all on the street on lugs, for your center hub just a haze will do it. Another option,,, POR-15 has a paint product thats wicked tough for painting calipers and other hard parts that get hot.. its also a self leveling product so it turns smooth as it cures. On your top - hat bolts from the outer side opposite the heads, there is a product sold by electric suppliers and some aircraft suppliers that is to let you know if a bolt goes loose, you can fill the hole with it and it will dry in about 15 minutes, it cracks if the bolt turns at all and you'll be able to see from the outside if the bolts have moved at all.. Its like a brittle paint, and it will help keep moisture out of the threads, but it does not retain the bolt at all. |
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