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Old Apr 23, 2014 | 01:06 PM
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coefficient of drag

Currently drive an 08 Fit sport. I mostly drive highway and not the type to stay below 68mph, and thus don't get great fuel economy. Avg 29mpg.
Thus the biggest factor(besides driver and speed) that would affect me is cd of the car.
The cd on the gd going from memory is .36.
Not sure what the frontal area is.
But that is not very good at all Since civic is .29
How does this compare with the 2015 Fit?
 
Old Apr 23, 2014 | 01:12 PM
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A hatchback cannot be as aerodynamic as a sedan. The ideal shape is a teardrop, tapering to the rear. The Fit does taper some, but then it chops off. A sedan can use the trunk to continue the taper longer.

I found somewhere that said the GE Fit was 0.34 (no link, sorry). If the GK is 15% better like they say, that puts it at 0.289. Its frontal area is bigger than the Civic, so drag will be higher.

The other thing that could help with your highway mileage is gear ratios. The CVT model lets the engine rev much lower at highway speed compared to the manual. (1800 rpm vs the manual's 2800).
 
Old Apr 23, 2014 | 01:24 PM
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If the gk is a 15%, that would be phenomenal. Not sure if that's possible with its shape.

Although with the new highway ratings of 37-41, it could the aerodynamics more than the new drivetrain.

As for the cvt, I am morally opposed to that for some reason. For me, like battery powered cars, it's a technology I can't stand behind.
 
Old Apr 23, 2014 | 04:37 PM
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The rear sides have a sharper corner for smoother air cutoff.
The rear spoiler is now flush with the roof and lower.
They added under-body panels for smoother airflow.
They (probably) changed the grill for aerodynamics.

I'm not sure if all those can add up to 15%, but they'll certainly add something.

I'm with you on the manual vs cvt, but it's disappointing they didn't improve the gearing this time around.
 
Old Apr 23, 2014 | 05:26 PM
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I never understood why they didn't use the Fit EV spoiler design on all Fits... it's perfect for airflow and it can't cost that much more to produce than the sports spoiler...
 
Old Apr 24, 2014 | 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by MonkeyMD
If the gk is a 15%, that would be phenomenal. Not sure if that's possible with its shape.

Although with the new highway ratings of 37-41, it could the aerodynamics more than the new drivetrain.

As for the cvt, I am morally opposed to that for some reason. For me, like battery powered cars, it's a technology I can't stand behind.

^^I agree with this and own a CVT GK LOL but I think I hate normal autos just as much. the CVT vs conventional auto is about the same amount of yuck.
 
Old Apr 24, 2014 | 09:19 AM
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I never understood why they didn't use the Fit EV spoiler design on all Fits... it's perfect for airflow and it can't cost that much more to produce than the sports spoiler...
I know, right? I searched as far as finding one in Japan for approximately $500, plus shipping, then I gave up. Since the EV's are lease only, they don't sell the parts for them through the normal channels.
 
Old Apr 24, 2014 | 10:40 AM
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I know, right? I searched as far as finding one in Japan for approximately $500, plus shipping, then I gave up. Since the EV's are lease only, they don't sell the parts for them through the normal channels.
Yeah damn Honda... IIRC there was a overseas company that made copies for cheaper but the quality and fitment was poor
 
Old Apr 26, 2014 | 03:23 AM
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In the official honda release it states that the GE has 0.336 and the 2015 Fit will be reduced to 0.33.
 
Old Apr 27, 2014 | 08:41 AM
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took mine for spin to Kyoto today. CVT sure does have long gearing.

150kph (about 90mph) and its only doing about 3000rpm. wind noise is pretty bad at that speed but I might have been noticing it more as the rest of the car is pretty quiet and the engine isnt revving very hard.

Fuel economy while being heavy footed wasnt as bad as I would have expected either. (about 20mpg)
 
Old May 1, 2014 | 05:02 PM
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In the official honda release it states that the GE has 0.336 and the 2015 Fit will be reduced to 0.33.
Not a huge improvement then.
How hard is it to make a car that will seat 4 comfortably, with cargo room for 4 full size bags, handle like a lotus and get 40mpg at 90mph.
 
Old May 1, 2014 | 06:20 PM
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Not a huge improvement then.
How hard is it to make a car that will seat 4 comfortably, with cargo room for 4 full size bags, handle like a lotus and get 40mpg at 90mph.
A Tesla S will meet this criteria, and then some, for $100,000.
 
Old May 2, 2014 | 12:05 AM
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A Tesla S will meet this criteria, and then some, for $100,000.
Tesla is like a trolley bus. You can't drive one to further than 60-70 miles without having a rechargeable station and half a day time to make 70 more miles.

The thing is as practical as bulldozer in a tank battle.
 
Old May 2, 2014 | 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by john21031
Tesla is like a trolley bus. You can't drive one to further than 60-70 miles without having a rechargeable station and half a day time to make 70 more miles.

The thing is as practical as bulldozer in a tank battle.
Low end Tesla s is rated at 244 (upper trim is 304) miles on a full charge.

A 30 minute charge at one of Tessa's stations will get you 170 miles.
 
Old May 2, 2014 | 01:13 AM
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John, the Model S goes 230 miles to a charge (60 kWh - lowest available pack) - which is probably best case scenario, the EPA says 208 miles to a charge. But I'd say it would go an easy 175 miles to a charge with no problem, if you like to drive fast.

The car you seem to be talking about is a Nissan Leaf, which just plain sucks and gets you 72 miles to a charge - probably less cause that's just what it's rated at.
 

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Old May 2, 2014 | 04:26 AM
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In an attempt to bring this thread back on topic, I will point out that the 416 hp Tesla S goes from 0-60 in 4.6 seconds does the 1/4 mile in 13.5 seconds at 104 MPH and has the lowest drag coefficient of any car currently on the market at 0.24. The Toyota Prius is next best at 0.26.
 
Old May 2, 2014 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by john21031
In the official honda release it states that the GE has 0.336 and the 2015 Fit will be reduced to 0.33.
out of interest is this the US model or the Japan hybrid model?

the RS and gasoline models in Japan dont get some under trays which are meant to help with aerodynamics.

Im not chasing it that bad but there is a Spoon kit which allows you to fit the hybrid undertrays to the gasoline cars, would be interesting to know how much difference it makes. I havent seen any specs on that.

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