Car and Driver First Full instrumentation test
#1
Car and Driver First Full instrumentation test
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...Car+and+Driver)
For the number crunchers and performance junkies, Car and Driver has just tested the 2015 Fit EX 6MT for its July issue (on news stands soon) and here are the performance numbers that will forever be quoted for the 2015 Fit with select 2011 Fit number for comparison:
2015 Fit.......................2011 Fit
0-30. 2.5 sec.....................2.6 sec
0-40. 4.2 sec
0-50. 5.8 sec
0-60. 8.0 sec..................... 8.4 sec
0-70. 10.6 sec
0-80. 13.5 sec
0-90. 18.0 sec
0-100 23.2 sec......................27.3 sec
0-110 31.6 sec......................44.0 sec
5-60. 8.4 sec........................9.0 sec
Top Gear
30-50. 10.3 sec......................11.7 sec
50-70. 10.9 sec......................12.6 sec
Top speed. 118 MPH...............116 MPH
1/4 mile 16.2 @ 86MPH...........16.5 @ 83 MPH
Braking
70-0. 178 feet"..........................184 feet
These numbers were fairly predictable improvements based on the 13 additional HP and slightly shorter 1rst gear of the new Fit. And they should ensure that the Fit will win any Comparison tests with its other natural 5 door econobox hatchback rivals, save the performance oriented ones like the Fiesta ST or Mini Cooper S. And I believe that is why Honda chose the ratios it did for 1rst thru 4 gears. I do not wish to start up the debate about why they chose the ratios they did for 5th and 6th
The most significant numbers to me are the improvements in 5-60 time of 0.6 seconds and in 30-50 of 1.4 seconds and in 50-70 of 1.7 seconds. These improvements indicates that the practical torque of the new Fit is noticeably better than the old. While most of us do not make drop the clutch redline blasts through the gears, we all benefit from more torque at all rpms. 8.4 seconds from 5-60 still squarely puts the Fit in econocar torque range, but it indicates a significant improvement over the old car that should be felt.
There is one more number from the car and driver testing that I think deserves some attention. And that is the number of cases of beer that will fit in the cargo areas. Because what is more important in life than how much beer you can buy in one trip? The old Fit was class leading with 11 cases, seats up and 35 cases seats down. The new Fit is 10 cases seats up and the same 35 cases seats down. So the practical space reduction for the cargo area behind second row seat is 9%. Hopefully not a deal breaker for anyone.
In other practical space considerations
The 2011 fit could accommodate a flat panel seats down of 56.0"x 38.8"
The 2015 fit can accommodate a flat panel seats down of 59.3" x 39.8"
For the number crunchers and performance junkies, Car and Driver has just tested the 2015 Fit EX 6MT for its July issue (on news stands soon) and here are the performance numbers that will forever be quoted for the 2015 Fit with select 2011 Fit number for comparison:
2015 Fit.......................2011 Fit
0-30. 2.5 sec.....................2.6 sec
0-40. 4.2 sec
0-50. 5.8 sec
0-60. 8.0 sec..................... 8.4 sec
0-70. 10.6 sec
0-80. 13.5 sec
0-90. 18.0 sec
0-100 23.2 sec......................27.3 sec
0-110 31.6 sec......................44.0 sec
5-60. 8.4 sec........................9.0 sec
Top Gear
30-50. 10.3 sec......................11.7 sec
50-70. 10.9 sec......................12.6 sec
Top speed. 118 MPH...............116 MPH
1/4 mile 16.2 @ 86MPH...........16.5 @ 83 MPH
Braking
70-0. 178 feet"..........................184 feet
These numbers were fairly predictable improvements based on the 13 additional HP and slightly shorter 1rst gear of the new Fit. And they should ensure that the Fit will win any Comparison tests with its other natural 5 door econobox hatchback rivals, save the performance oriented ones like the Fiesta ST or Mini Cooper S. And I believe that is why Honda chose the ratios it did for 1rst thru 4 gears. I do not wish to start up the debate about why they chose the ratios they did for 5th and 6th
The most significant numbers to me are the improvements in 5-60 time of 0.6 seconds and in 30-50 of 1.4 seconds and in 50-70 of 1.7 seconds. These improvements indicates that the practical torque of the new Fit is noticeably better than the old. While most of us do not make drop the clutch redline blasts through the gears, we all benefit from more torque at all rpms. 8.4 seconds from 5-60 still squarely puts the Fit in econocar torque range, but it indicates a significant improvement over the old car that should be felt.
There is one more number from the car and driver testing that I think deserves some attention. And that is the number of cases of beer that will fit in the cargo areas. Because what is more important in life than how much beer you can buy in one trip? The old Fit was class leading with 11 cases, seats up and 35 cases seats down. The new Fit is 10 cases seats up and the same 35 cases seats down. So the practical space reduction for the cargo area behind second row seat is 9%. Hopefully not a deal breaker for anyone.
In other practical space considerations
The 2011 fit could accommodate a flat panel seats down of 56.0"x 38.8"
The 2015 fit can accommodate a flat panel seats down of 59.3" x 39.8"
Last edited by TCroly; 06-27-2014 at 04:22 PM.
#2
Good info. Guess I'll have to be really shifting well if I wanna beat a new Fit to 60 - and hope he can't drive.
Yeah, that 6th gear ratio is still disappointing - as well as still lacking rear discs and Android compatibility...
Yeah, that 6th gear ratio is still disappointing - as well as still lacking rear discs and Android compatibility...
#3
.....................2015 Fit.......0-60. 8.0 sec.......
Braking 70-0. 178 feet"...............indicates a significant improvement over the old car that should be felt.......10 cases seats up and the same 35 cases seats down. So the practical space reduction for the cargo area behind second row seat is 9%. Hopefully ..........not a deal breaker for anyone...
Braking 70-0. 178 feet"...............indicates a significant improvement over the old car that should be felt.......10 cases seats up and the same 35 cases seats down. So the practical space reduction for the cargo area behind second row seat is 9%. Hopefully ..........not a deal breaker for anyone...
As for the beer capacity, with my lifestyle, 35 cases - definitely my DEAL-MAKER!!!
#6
It won't really sway my decision because I need headroom and don't particularly like holes in the roof, but I am curious about how badly the CVT affects 0-60. Done correctly, a CVT should do better even though the constant high RPMs would sound odd to people like me used to a stick.
Last edited by GeorgeL; 05-30-2014 at 01:49 PM.
#7
No slalom results reported.
#9
Me too. Actually I want to see the CVT LX figures, to see if the slightly lighter weight and added aero bits make any real difference.
It won't really sway my decision because I need headroom and don't particularly like holes in the roof, but I am curious about how badly the CVT affects 0-60. Done correctly, a CVT should do better even though the constant high RPMs would sound odd to people like me used to a stick.
It won't really sway my decision because I need headroom and don't particularly like holes in the roof, but I am curious about how badly the CVT affects 0-60. Done correctly, a CVT should do better even though the constant high RPMs would sound odd to people like me used to a stick.
The current Car and Driver has a comparison test that includes the Honda Civic EX CVT. The Civic uses the same CVT as the Fit. It weighs 10% more and has 10% more HP and Torque.
So the acceleration results should be very similar to the CVT Fit.
Here is what they got when they tested the Civic CVT
0-30 3.6 seconds
0-60. 8.8 seconds
0-100. 24.5 seconds
1/4 mile 17.0 @ 86 MPH
The extra 13 HP and lower drag of the Civic will benefit it at higher speeds. So I would expect the CVT Fit to match the Civic's 0-60 times, be a tenth or two slower and 1 MPH slower in the 1/4 mile and be maybe 2 seconds slower to 100
I expect the shorter gearing of the 6MT to produce an 8.0 second 0-60 and maybe a 16.2 second 1/4 mile at the same 86 MPH
#10
...The extra 13 HP and lower drag of the Civic will benefit it at higher speeds. So I would expect the CVT Fit to match the Civic's 0-60 times, be a tenth or two slower and 1 MPH slower in the 1/4 mile and be maybe 2 seconds slower to 100
I expect the shorter gearing of the 6MT to produce an 8.0 second 0-60 and maybe a 16.2 second 1/4 mile at the same 86 MPH
I expect the shorter gearing of the 6MT to produce an 8.0 second 0-60 and maybe a 16.2 second 1/4 mile at the same 86 MPH
For ordinary driving (as opposed to maximum effort 0-60 runs) the CVT will probably be a pretty close match to the stick. Those quicker times with the stick come with a sacrifice of smoothness which might be annoying to non-gearhead passengers in the car. If the driver's concentration isn't perfect he could easily lose that second the stick gained. With the CVT he can just keep his foot planted and the car accelerates smoothly.
Of course, we're quibbling over 8 or 9 second 0-60 times which would have been spectacularly fast on sporty cars of a couple of decades ago!
#11
you mean the new fit has MORE floor space?? OMG I never would have thought.
#12
I think that your analysis is probably correct.
For ordinary driving (as opposed to maximum effort 0-60 runs) the CVT will probably be a pretty close match to the stick. Those quicker times with the stick come with a sacrifice of smoothness which might be annoying to non-gearhead passengers in the car. If the driver's concentration isn't perfect he could easily lose that second the stick gained. With the CVT he can just keep his foot planted and the car accelerates smoothly.
Of course, we're quibbling over 8 or 9 second 0-60 times which would have been spectacularly fast on sporty cars of a couple of decades ago!
For ordinary driving (as opposed to maximum effort 0-60 runs) the CVT will probably be a pretty close match to the stick. Those quicker times with the stick come with a sacrifice of smoothness which might be annoying to non-gearhead passengers in the car. If the driver's concentration isn't perfect he could easily lose that second the stick gained. With the CVT he can just keep his foot planted and the car accelerates smoothly.
Of course, we're quibbling over 8 or 9 second 0-60 times which would have been spectacularly fast on sporty cars of a couple of decades ago!
The comment about 8 to 9 second 0-60s being considered fast, just a couple of decades ago, is so true. I was just comparing the C&D performance numbers of the new Fit to that of the Ford Focus SVT that I purchased back in 2002. The new Fit is just a tenth or two behind to each speed measurement and the Focus SVT was considered the hot hatch to have, just 12 years ago. My lifetime fuel economy from the Focus SVT was just 21.5MPG, the new Fit should get me even better than the 35MPG my 2009 has averaged since new. And the list price of the new Fit 6MT EX is identical to that of the 2002 SVT, even while including such niceties as back up and blind spot cameras, Bluetooth phone and audio streaming. Impressive improvements over the past decade indeed!
#13
How does Car & Driver do the acceleration tests? Do they use a drag strip for 1/4 mile runs or do they just time it with a "stop watch" or electronic device like that? Every time I have read 1/4 mile times for my 2013 Fit with 5 MT, have always thought the times were optimistic at best. I've seen times for my car at 16.7 or quicker. My car doesn't feel that fast; I'd think it would run 16.9 or 16.8 in real world conditions. That's why I'd question 16.2 seconds for the 1/4 mile in the new Fit.
Just curious.
Just curious.
#14
"On the ultra-efficient Fit LX, a front lip spoiler, engine under-cover, center floor cover and shrouds around the rear suspension have all been added."
http://www.autoguide.com/manufacture...ideo-3850.html
Last edited by Myxalplyx; 05-31-2014 at 01:31 AM.
#15
TCroly, good points! Don't forget to take into consideration (You may have actually) that the LX model has some 'aero-tweeks' to it to help it get better fuel mileage than the EX version. Perhaps this will help bring it up to par with the Civic's coefficient of drag (or perhaps better). Maybe?
"On the ultra-efficient Fit LX, a front lip spoiler, engine under-cover, center floor cover and shrouds around the rear suspension have all been added."
2015 Honda Fit Review: Car Reviews
"On the ultra-efficient Fit LX, a front lip spoiler, engine under-cover, center floor cover and shrouds around the rear suspension have all been added."
2015 Honda Fit Review: Car Reviews
The bigger higher torque engine of the Civic will prove more of a factor in pushing the car through the air at higher speeds than would a few underbody aero bits. So I don't think the CVT Fit will match the CVT Civic in 1/4 mile speed or time to speeds greater than 80 MPH. But it should not be too far behind. And I expect it will be significantly faster than the 2013 auto.
#16
How does Car & Driver do the acceleration tests? Do they use a drag strip for 1/4 mile runs or do they just time it with a "stop watch" or electronic device like that? Every time I have read 1/4 mile times for my 2013 Fit with 5 MT, have always thought the times were optimistic at best. I've seen times for my car at 16.7 or quicker. My car doesn't feel that fast; I'd think it would run 16.9 or 16.8 in real world conditions. That's why I'd question 16.2 seconds for the 1/4 mile in the new Fit.
Just curious.
Just curious.
I tend to trust C&D more than other magazines.
#18
How Does C/D Test Cars? - Automotive News and Information from Car and Driver
I tend to trust C&D more than other magazines.
I tend to trust C&D more than other magazines.
Thanks T. Interesting read. I'm a long time drag racing fan, so tend to think of 1/4 mile times as those recorded on a drag strip. Still, 16 seconds in the 1/4 mile with a 1500 CC engine is pretty good.
#19
Car and Driver has just published their 2015 Honda fit Review referenced in this thread online:
2015 Honda Fit EX Test – Review – Car and Driver)
2015 Honda Fit EX Test – Review – Car and Driver)
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